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vroomer85
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Message 1 of 26 (2,405 Views)

Forced to check out Subassemblies that I have not changed

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01-31-2011 08:43 AM

When working in the top level assembly, Inventor will often force me to check out subassemblies that I have not changed.  Sometimes I am simply moving parts withing the top assembly and Inventor sees changes in several of the subassemblies and ask if I want to check them out.  None of these assemblies are adaptive and the only file I am actually changing is the top level assembly (which is checked out to me).  There are times when all I've done is open the top assembly from the vault and Inventor tells me that I have modified several subassemblies and component files within the subassemblies.  I have not made any modifications since the previous day when I checked in my changes at the end of the day and suddenly I have to check out 10% of the files because I have "modified" them by opening them.  This creates probems with numerous unnecessary versions in the vault and at times problems with subassemblies being checked out by co-workers working on the same machine but a different section.

 

-Nick

 

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Autodesk Inventor 2010 Simulation SP3

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cwhetten
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Re: Forced to check out Subassemblies that I have not changed

01-31-2011 09:02 AM in reply to: vroomer85

This happens to me EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.  It is way beyond the point of frustrating.  Now it just makes me want to put my fist through my monitor (I haven't, but I cannot guarantee that I won't).  It really makes a mess of my vaulted designs.

 

The other issue that I have which may or may not be related is that Inventor says that I have to save library and Content Center parts before I can check in an assembly.  I haven't made any changes to the library or CC parts (that's the whole idea of library parts!!!), but Inventor insists that I need to save them and it won't allow me to check in my design until I do.

 

-cwhetten

 

 

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vroomer85
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Message 3 of 26 (2,375 Views)

Re: Forced to check out Subassemblies that I have not changed

01-31-2011 10:41 AM in reply to: cwhetten

I get the same problem with the Content Center files.  Not all the time, but occasionally Inventor tells me that the library files are out of date, but then I try to check them out and save them and errors occur during the save.  I haven't isolated when this problem arises, but it is very frustrating and sometimes inhibits my ability to save and check the assembly in.

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dconklin
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Message 4 of 26 (2,363 Views)

Re: Forced to check out Subassemblies that I have not changed

01-31-2011 11:02 AM in reply to: vroomer85

This is nothing new Inventor has done this for as long as I can remember ( I have been on since IV 5). Autodesk does not seem to be in any hurry to fix this major problem. If you do a search for DIRTY FILES you will get a lot of hit to research the subject. FYI This is an Inventor problem not a Vault problem.

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saainsworth
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Re: Forced to check out Subassemblies that I have not changed

02-04-2011 11:25 AM in reply to: vroomer85

Our users are experiencing the same problem.  The biggest issue is the impact it has on the ability to have multiple users working in parallel on sub assemblies within the same main assembly.  This must be improved.  Even if the user has to manually dictate to Inventor what the scope of his work is.  However, it should be enough to check out files.  If the file is not checked out -  Inventor makes no changes - ever.  If there are changes made that effect another part, a pleasant warning can be given, but the changes wait until the file is checked out.  The software should never dirty a file that is not checked out.

 

If the above cannot be accomplished it would still be great improvement if users were allowed to save an assembly and check it in without being forced to check out and save subs and parts that were dirtied.  Not as good solution but it at least lets us get our work done.

 

 

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RyanBotha
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Re: Forced to check out Subassemblies that I have not changed

04-08-2011 02:25 AM in reply to: saainsworth

For us, another very frustrating problem is working with Frame Generated parts and Vault. It recognizes these 'dirty' files, and wants to checkout the Entire FG assembly! So, after the 50th time of saying No, you eventually give up, and allow Inventor to check them out, only to be asked for each and every frame member!

 

So, you think: I know, I'll hit Check out all. But wait, Autodesk says NO!, just like Ron Burgandy SAYS NO!. You them hit the prompts to say 'Never ask me this again in this Session', knowing that Inventor will now happily checkout any file it wants, even if you've only hovered over the part with the cursor. Meanwhile, your co-workers are wanting to lynch you, because you've got everything this side of the pacific checked out!

 

So you apologize, undo checkout, shutdown Inventor (to end the session and re-initiate the check out prompt) and continue. Your patience marker is reset to ZERO and your count up to 50+ questions begins again.

 

:smileyhappy: Big of tongue and check, but we all know whats its like! #rant

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saainsworth
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Message 7 of 26 (2,123 Views)

Re: Forced to check out Subassemblies that I have not changed

04-08-2011 07:09 AM in reply to: vroomer85

I've noticed a couple of other things where the interaction between Vault and Inventor needs to be improved. 

 

We often use iassemblies for right and left hand versions of machines.  I find it frustrating that the iassembly factory does not check out the instance files that were generated.  On the other end if I'm working in the drawing it will only check out the instances.  In fact if I try to open the assembly from the drawing it opens the instance, which I can't edit anyway even though it checked out.  I believe the software should behave as follows (maybe as an option).  If the ifactory is checked out, then any generated files should be checked out.  If an instance file is checked out (from the drawing or other assembly) the factory should be checked out.  If you open an instance from within another file it should open the factory or at least prompt you to open the factory.

 

The other area is level of detail.  I'm not sure why but vault ignores files that are suppressed in a level of detail.  There should be an option to pick them as well.  I run into this when creating a substitute level of detail.  If you check out your whole assembly and then created a substitute and check it back in, you will find all the parts are still checked out.  The only way to resolve this is the change the level of detail back to Master, but then the new substitute will get left behind when checking in.  It seems like there is really no way to get it all checked in at once. An option to include suppressed parts would be great.

 

Scott

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bentbrandt
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Registered: ‎11-26-2008
Message 8 of 26 (2,050 Views)

Re: Forced to check out Subassemblies that I have not changed

06-07-2011 01:15 AM in reply to: saainsworth

We have the same problems factory part files and assembies that are put in assemblies are suddenly "changed" and needs to be checked out of vault.

 

Before checking in the finished .asm or .idw I usually save the assembly and do an undo checkout on the affected standard files that I know are not changed. Then a refresh from vault resets the files to "unchanged" and then I do the check in.

 

Its stupid but seems to be the only way we can avoid all the additional versions of files.

Purging version 78 of a nut that has never changed is equally frustrating.

 

In addition we only have one project and the only library we have are for textures. Our parts "library" is in a folder. 

 

Peter

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scottmoyse
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Message 9 of 26 (2,045 Views)

Re: Forced to check out Subassemblies that I have not changed

06-07-2011 01:32 AM in reply to: cwhetten

there is a work around so you don't have to save before checking it. just close the file and inventor will say the file needs to be saved, click yes, then it will bring up the check in dialogue. However, if the file you have open (and checking in) hasn't been checked into vault before, say a new drawing of an assembly, then the work around won't work because the add-in won't prompt for the file to be checked in on close.

 

I will have a bit more to say about this issue once i get to the end of this thread

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Re: Forced to check out Subassemblies that I have not changed

06-07-2011 01:34 AM in reply to: dconklin

yup it relates mainly to Inventor's hatred of having to reference read only files. Bit of a bi*ch when thats what vault is all about.

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