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Edges and Hidden Lines Disappear on Zoom

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Message 1 of 25
Anonymous
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Edges and Hidden Lines Disappear on Zoom

Having an issue where in a part model with the view set to "wireframe with hidden edges" the edges and hidden edges disappear when you try to zoom in on the part. Actually not working with "wireframe and visible edges only" at any zoom level either.

 

The edges are there and I know that there are features that should be showing up as hidden.

 

Running Quadro FX 3800 with the most current drivers, and I only noticed this when switching to IV 2014.

 

Also running IV Build 222 SP 1

 

This is making designing very hard as I can't tell anymore where there are instances of  features interfering with each other.

 

Anyone know of a fix? Is it a driver issue?

 

 

 

 

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Message 2 of 25
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

OK Update to issue.

 

It has something to do with the Appearance Color Setting setting.

 

I had the part set to a different color that what the material normally is.

 

When I cleared the color override then the edges and hidden edges show up as they should.

 

Does anyone have this as well? 

Message 3 of 25
t_hascj
in reply to: Anonymous

Hi,

 

 

I can look at it, if you attach part and select the color, which cause the problem.

Message 4 of 25
Anonymous
in reply to: t_hascj

Yes, I can send you the file.

 

Playing around with the color over ride does not all the time to fix the issues as I had mentioned in my second reply. I have a part that will not show the edges and hidden correct no matter what I do to it.

 

Is there way to send the file without posting on here?

 

 

Message 5 of 25
joerituijn
in reply to: Anonymous

Hi, I just upgraded to 2014 today and I have the same issue. My model look really weird in wire frame mode (unusable). See attachment as well. I have SP1 installed. Video card is Quadro 4000.
Message 6 of 25
t_hascj
in reply to: joerituijn

I don't see attachment.Could you attach image and dataset again?

Thanks,
Jaroslav
Message 7 of 25
pcrawley
in reply to: joerituijn

Open any part or assembly file then go to Tools > Application Options > Hardware.  Press the "Diagnostics" button - then "OK".  This copies a lot of information to the clipboard.  Paste it back here and we might be able to tell you if it's driver-related.

Peter
Message 8 of 25
joerituijn
in reply to: pcrawley

As it turns out, the new forum doesn't work on Chrome. I have to use IExplorer to upload attachments. Anyway, I have attached the requested info and the other file again.

 

This Direct3D graphics driver is Microsoft WHQL certified
Graphics Hardware Description:
NVIDIA Quadro 4000

AIRViz Device Manager \ VirtualDeviceDx11
Feature Level 5_0
Performance Mode
Hardware Renderer

Graphics driver file nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um is version 9.18.13.697
Current optimization settings are not known
The display is using 32-bit color


Inventor Version:

Build: 222, Release: 2014 SP1 - Date: Tue 09/17/2013      
64-Bit Edition - 8192.00 GB


System Information:

Operating System:   64-bit Microsoft Windows 7 Professional  (Build 7601) Service Pack 1
Language:    English
System Manufacturer:   Dell Inc.               
System Model:    Precision WorkStation 490   
BIOS:     Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS Version 1.10 A08
Processor:    Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           E5335  @ 2.00GHz (1 processor, 4 cores)
System Memory:    3.998 GB RAM


Graphics Device Information:

Renderer:    HAL
Manufacturer:    NVIDIA
Chip Type:    Quadro 4000
DAC Type:    Integrated RAMDAC
Graphics HW Memory:   1.703 GB
Display Mode:    1920 x 1200 (32 bit) (59 Hz)

Graphics driver file:   nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um
Driver file version:   9.18.13.697
Driver Date:    2 October 2012 0:00:00 UTC (Coordinated Universal Time)


Direct3D Graphics Device Information:

Adapter Description:   NVIDIA Quadro 4000
Vendor ID string:   0x000010de
Device ID string:   0x000006dd
VendorID:    10de
DeviceID:    6dd
SubSystemID:    780103c
Revision:    a3


Direct3D 10 / DXGI System Information:

Dedicated Video Memory:  1.703 GB
Dedicated System Memory:  0 MB
Shared System Memory:   1.749 GB


DxDiag System Information:

Operating System:   Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.130828-1532)
Language:    English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer:   Dell Inc.               
System Model:    Precision WorkStation 490   
BIOS:     Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS Version 1.10 A08
Processor:    Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           E5335  @ 2.00GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.0GHz
System Memory:    4096MB RAM
Page File:    4702MB used, 3483MB available
DirectX Version:   DirectX 11
DxDiag Version:   6.01.7601.17514


DxDiag Graphics Device Information:

DirectX Version:   10.0
DDI Version:    11
DDI Version Number:   b
DxDiag WHQL Level:   0
Driver Signed Valid:   True
Driver Signed:    True
Manufacturer:    NVIDIA
Chip Type:    Quadro 4000
DAC Type:    Integrated RAMDAC
Revision:    
Graphics HW Memory:   3534 MB
Display Mode:    1920 x 1200 (32 bit) (59Hz)

Graphics driver file:   nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um
Driver file version:   9.18.0013.0697
Driver Date:    10/10/2012 21:23:48
WHQL Level:    1


Inventor Options Information:

Options = 0x00000000
Warning Options = 0x00000000


Graphics driver log information:

 

 

Message 9 of 25
kmagal
in reply to: Anonymous

I'm having the same problem here, had it since upgrading to 2014. Changed video cards specifically to address this issue, but it did not help. Any solutions? This Direct3D graphics driver is Microsoft WHQL certified Graphics Hardware Description: NVIDIA Quadro K5000 AIRViz Device Manager \ VirtualDeviceDx11 Feature Level 5_0 Quality Mode Hardware Renderer Graphics driver file nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um is version 9.18.13.3221 Current optimization settings are not known The display is using 32-bit color Inventor Version: Build: 222, Release: 2014 SP1 - Date: Tue 09/17/2013 64-Bit Edition - 8192.00 GB Loaded Inventor Add-Ins: Assembly Bonus Tools Simulation: Dynamic Simulation Simulation: Frame Analysis iCopy System Information: Operating System: 64-bit Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (Build 7601) Service Pack 1 Language: English System Manufacturer: Dell Inc. System Model: Precision T3600 BIOS: Default System BIOS Processor: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-1650 0 @ 3.20GHz (1 processor, 6 physical cores, 12 logical cores) System Memory: 15.927 GB RAM Graphics Device Information: Renderer: HAL Manufacturer: NVIDIA Chip Type: Quadro K5000 DAC Type: Integrated RAMDAC Graphics HW Memory: 3.933 GB Display Mode: 1920 x 1200 (32 bit) (59 Hz) Graphics driver file: nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um Driver file version: 9.18.13.3221 Driver Date: 19 December 2013 0:00:00 UTC (Coordinated Universal Time) Direct3D Graphics Device Information: Adapter Description: NVIDIA Quadro K5000 Vendor ID string: 0x000010de Device ID string: 0x000011ba VendorID: 10de DeviceID: 11ba SubSystemID: 96510de Revision: a1 Direct3D 10 / DXGI System Information: Dedicated Video Memory: 3.933 GB Dedicated System Memory: 0 MB Shared System Memory: 7.714 GB DxDiag System Information: Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.130828-1532) Language: English (Regional Setting: English) System Manufacturer: Dell Inc. System Model: Precision T3600 BIOS: Default System BIOS Processor: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-1650 0 @ 3.20GHz (12 CPUs), ~3.2GHz System Memory: 16384MB RAM Page File: 8916MB used, 23700MB available DirectX Version: DirectX 11 DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 DxDiag Graphics Device Information: DirectX Version: 10.0 DDI Version: 11 DDI Version Number: b DxDiag WHQL Level: 0 Driver Signed Valid: True Driver Signed: True Manufacturer: NVIDIA Chip Type: Quadro K5000 DAC Type: Integrated RAMDAC Revision: Graphics HW Memory: 3734 MB Display Mode: 1920 x 1200 (32 bit) (59Hz) Graphics driver file: nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um Driver file version: 9.18.0013.3221 Driver Date: 12/19/2013 15:33:31 WHQL Level: 1 Inventor Options Information: Options = 0x00000000 Warning Options = 0x00000000 Graphics driver log information: Aug/09/2013-16:45:24: User changes the graphics driver by reading XML file: D3D11 -> D3D10. Sep/17/2013-10:42:55: User changes the graphics driver manually: D3D10 -> D3D11. Dec/10/2013-10:41:00: User changes the graphics driver by reading XML file: D3D11 -> D3D10. Feb/10/2014-10:35:37: User changes the graphics driver manually: D3D10 -> D3D11.
Message 10 of 25
joerituijn
in reply to: kmagal

I purchased a new computer (not for this reason) but for some reason the problem went away. Same video card though. Renderings look a lot better too now. Before only images generated in 'best' mode (ray tracing) would have some brightness, everything else really dark. I had to max out the settings on brightness and lights to get any kind of usuable image. That is now all 'normal'. No need to change light settigs and still good raytracing quality.  Really weird since the video card is the same. Just more memory and a 6-core processor.

Message 11 of 25
blair
in reply to: joerituijn

Not all hardware is the same, I've seen graphics card work well in one mfg motherboard and have issues in another machine. Manufactures use slightly different BIOS chips and settings and can cause problems down stream with components. 


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Message 12 of 25
kmagal
in reply to: blair

So how do I know what hardware to get?
Message 13 of 25
blair
in reply to: kmagal

When I am building my new workstations, I stick with the same manufacture of motherboard as the graphics card. Even with that it's a crap shoot. The standards have tightened up over the years but it's a guess.

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Message 14 of 25
mstokov
in reply to: blair

On the same topic, I have installed Inventor Professional 2017 and my edges are fine for about 5 or 10 minutes, after that suddenly they start disappearing. They disappear on every view style except "Technical Illustration". Attachments 1 and 2 are what I mean. If I change the visual style, it shows the edges normally as it should while the model is static, but as soon as I pan, zoom or rotate, the edges disappear. And "Shaded with edges" and "Shaded with hidden edges" becomes like "Shaded". Note, Inventor doesn't switch the Viewing Style itself. It's just the edges that disappear.

 

I really like Inventor, but this is very annoying and sometimes makes it unusable.

 

Please assist.

 

I'm on a laptop, so hardware changing is not an option.

Windows 10 running on Intel i5 4210H

Nvidia GeForce GTX860M

Message 15 of 25
SimonBlaney7556
in reply to: mstokov

I have the exact same issue with Inventor 2017.

I never had this with 2016. I'm using the same computer with the same hardware and Windows 10 as I was using with 2016 (same graphics driver too).

If I zoom out the lines reappear again but as soon as I zoom in they disappear. It seems to happen consistently with any parts with lofts or fillets on.

 

Hope this can get sorted soon as it's really annoying.

Message 16 of 25

Just read your post, same problem...

 

Have just found the same problem with disappearing Edges, using the Zoom command after creating a Mirror feature.

Before mirror all edges shown, after adding the feature, no edges. If the EOP is dragged up down the feature tree the edges will be visible appear then disappear again.

 

I have just recreated the part and all the edges are visible and there are no issues with the part until the Mirror feature is created, then the edges disappear.

 

OS – Windows 7 SP1

Autodesk Inventor 2017 Pro Build 199 R2

Intel i7 with 32Gb

Nvidia Quadro 4000M Version 368.86

 

image1.jpgimage2.jpg

Message 17 of 25
blair
in reply to: 4762cjb001

Someone just posted a graphics issue that was solved on the weekend by updating their 3dConnexion drivers. ADSK will point at Microsoft and Microsoft will point at ADSK or possibly the graphics card drivers. This issue does seem to show up more with Quadro cards the last number of years.

 

I would try a full in-install of the graphics card drivers, reboot and re-install of the latest Microsoft certified drivers for your card.


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Message 18 of 25
SimonBlaney7556
in reply to: blair

Hi blair

Thanks for your response.

 

Unfortunately I've tried this but it makes no difference.

 

I'm running:

 

Windows 10 Pro (64bit) with all the latest updates.

ATI FirePro V4800 (FireGL)

AMD FirePro Software Suite 15.201.2401

CPU: i7 950 @ 3.07GHz

Ram: 16 GB

3D Connexion Spacepilot (again with latest drivers).

 

 

At the moment I'm just having to live with it (not that I have a choice), I see no way of making it display properly - other than going back to 2016, which I can't do as models will no longer open in it.

Fingers crossed either Autodesk, Microsoft, AMD or 3D Connexion can get to the bottom of this and get it sorted soon.

 

 

 

Message 19 of 25
SimonBlaney7556
in reply to: blair

Apparently, after a whopping windows update this morning, this issue appears (so far) to be fixed! Smiley Happy

 

Thanks!

Message 20 of 25
mcgyvr
in reply to: SimonBlaney7556

This is a known issue with 2017..

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/inventor-products/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcartic...

 



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