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Derived Components & Custom iProperties

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Message 1 of 14
Steve Bahr
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Derived Components & Custom iProperties

Greetings:

Can custom iProperties within a sketch be "marked for export" into new a .ipt made via Derived Component?

I want to change only one sketch and input the custom iProperties only once.

Thanks in advance,
Steve
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Message 2 of 14
Steve Bahr
in reply to: Steve Bahr

Further to my O.P...

IV2008.

My sketch resides on sheet 1 of my .idw, and the derived .ipt resides on sheet 2.

Steve
Message 3 of 14
Steve Bahr
in reply to: Steve Bahr

Never mind.

Design Assistant allows me to copy the custom iProperties from one .ipt into another .ipt. That was an "aha" moment if there ever was one.

Too bad the iProperties from the first part are not linked to the second part.

It's been great having a conversation with myself, though.

Steve
Message 4 of 14
Anonymous
in reply to: Steve Bahr

LOL, thanks for making it fun, Steve!

other JD
Message 5 of 14
Anonymous
in reply to: Steve Bahr

Yes you can. You either derive them to a new ipt or link them to a new ipt.
In both cases the parameters should be checked for export. Or are you
talking about something different?
Igor.

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Greetings:

Can custom iProperties within a sketch be "marked for export" into new a
.ipt made via Derived Component?

I want to change only one sketch and input the custom iProperties only once.

Thanks in advance,
Steve
Message 6 of 14
Anonymous
in reply to: Steve Bahr

Yes, indeed. I do it on regular basis on this forum.
Igor.

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It's been great having a conversation with myself, though.

Steve
Message 7 of 14
Steve Bahr
in reply to: Steve Bahr

Hi Igor.

Thanks for your response.

I know that I can specifiy which parameters my new derived .ipt can inherit from the base sketch, but my base sketch contains custom iProperties that I would like to promote to the derived .ipt as well.

I'm not finding a toggle that allows that promotion. DA lets me copy the custom iProperties from one .ipt to another [rather than do them over again in the new .ipt] but the two sets of custom iProperties are not linked.

See attached.

Steve
Message 8 of 14
Anonymous
in reply to: Steve Bahr

Hi Steve,
It is a bit hard to tell from the image what parameter do you want to see in
derived part. Could you share the actual part with us?
Thanks,
Igor.

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Hi Igor.

Thanks for your response.

I know that I can specifiy which parameters my new derived .ipt can inherit
from the base sketch, but my base sketch contains custom iProperties that I
would like to promote to the derived .ipt as well.

I'm not finding a toggle that allows that promotion. DA lets me copy the
custom iProperties from one .ipt to another [rather than do them over again
in the new .ipt] but the two sets of custom iProperties are not linked.

See attached.

Steve
Message 9 of 14
Steve Bahr
in reply to: Steve Bahr

Hi Igor.

Attached is a zip file.

1. Review the custom iProperties in the iProp sketch.ipt.
2. Create a Derived Component, in the part file, from the sketch file.
3. Review the custom iProperties in the part file. There are none. Use DA to copy the custom iProperties from the sketch file into the part file.
4. Change any one of the custom Iproperties in the sketch file and save.
5. Review the custom Iproperties in the part file. The change you made in the sketch file is not reflected in the part file.

Thanks for all your help so far, Igor.

Steve
Message 10 of 14
Anonymous
in reply to: Steve Bahr

Hi Steve,
All I can say that parameters which are checked for export in Parameters DB
do get derived into a new part. You can see them all in the Parameter DB of
this new part. Now, if you want to see them in Custom tab of iProperties DB,
you have to check them for export the same as in the original part. As for
the non-parameters data in the Custom tab - I am not quite sure, what are
you trying to achieve there?
In the attached files I have modified dimension d1 so you can see the effect
of described above.
Best regards,
Igor.

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Hi Igor.

Attached is a zip file.

1. Review the custom iProperties in the iProp sketch.ipt.
2. Create a Derived Component, in the part file, from the sketch file.
3. Review the custom iProperties in the part file. There are none. Use DA
to copy the custom iProperties from the sketch file into the part file.
4. Change any one of the custom Iproperties in the sketch file and save.
5. Review the custom Iproperties in the part file. The change you made in
the sketch file is not reflected in
the part file.

Thanks for all your help so far, Igor.

Steve
Message 11 of 14
Steve Bahr
in reply to: Steve Bahr

Hi Igor.

I work for a wood window and door manufacturer, and we use mortise and tenon joinery in our sash corners. Imagine gripping a golf club, only all your fingers are interlocked.

It's all about our manufacturing processes and how we've chosen to use Inventor as a sketch based tool.

The sketch is on sheet 1 of my idw. Sheet 1 describes the profiile of the part only, and is used by our molders to cut the profile.

The part, derived from the sketch, is on sheet 2 of my idw. Sheet 2 describes how our tenoners apply the end details [mortise and tenons] to the part, and the part's length.

The part I attached is simple and contains no tenon details. Parts that do contain tenons would force me to make invisible, on sheet 1, the lines you would see in an end view [profile] of the part due to those tenons, and I don't want to do that. It's extra steps that I'm trying to design out of my process.

Since everything we do starts with the sketch, I am making that sketch contain all the information the idw needs to populate it's title blocks. I thought that any custom information contained in the sketch could be inherited by the derived part. I would only need to input the data once, at the sketch level, and that data would be linked between sketch and the part. This is similar thinking to using a sketch to derive the part: you change the sketch and all the parts using that sketch are updated.

Imagine the part numbering system we require to manage all of this.

GAAAAAAAH! ! ! ! 🙂

I love Inventor. It's simple, intuitive and friendly. I'm probably asking it to do too much. We used to use Catia [did you know that's an acronym?], which is a sketch based tool. We like sketch based design and can find no better way to do our work.

I really appreciate your willingness to help, Igor.

Steve
Message 12 of 14
Anonymous
in reply to: Steve Bahr

Hi Steve,
Thanks for the explanation. Well, I still got a filling that what you want
to achieve is quite possible, however it boils down not to one or two parts
but the way you deploy Inventor at your place. I am not sure we can work out
a solution over the Inventor forum (I afraid the discussion will become way
too long). You are welcome to write directly to me should you think I can
assist you with the software issues. I will however be absent from this
group for two upcoming months. I will be in Europe first, then - in Canada.
Best Regards,
Igor.

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I really appreciate your willingness to help, Igor.

Steve
Message 13 of 14
Steve Bahr
in reply to: Steve Bahr

Thanks, Igor.

I agree, this forum is probably not the right place to work this out.

My VAR could help, but at $$$/hr. I'm not sure my Company could swallow that unless I am absolutely sure I couldn't resolve the issue first. That's why I posted here; I've learned so much from you guys.

Canada, eh?

Be sure to visit the middle and the left side of the country. Skip over the right-of-middle part; Niagara Falls and Quebec are the only things that part of the country has going for it. ; )

The extreme right is a must-see, too.

But the prairies, the North and the left side are really where it's at.

Enjoy my beautiful country.

Steve
Message 14 of 14
Anonymous
in reply to: Steve Bahr

Thanks, Steve!
Igor.

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wrote in message news:5920994@discussion.autodesk.com...
Thanks, Igor.

I agree, this forum is probably not the right place to work this out.

My VAR could help, but at $$$/hr. I'm not sure my Company could swallow
that unless I am absolutely sure I couldn't resolve the issue first. That's
why I posted here; I've learned so much from you guys.

Canada, eh?

Be sure to visit the middle and the left side of the country. Skip over the
right-of-middle part; Niagara Falls and Quebec are the only things that part
of the country has going for it. ; )

The extreme right is a must-see, too.

But the prairies, the North and the left side are really where it's at.

Enjoy my beautiful country.

Steve

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