Demote vs. Replace Component

[Anonymous]

Hi all,

Dennis Jeffrey told me that he could use Replace Component to replace a part
with an sub-assembly (containing that same part) while NOT loosing the
constraints to the "outer-world" (See topic "Demote - Wish" (22-09-2003,
13:54)). He even posted an example in IVCF, but I can't get it to work...

If Dennis is right, it could save me (all of us in fact) a lot of time
reconstraining the sub-assembly into the main-assembly!

Can anyone shed some light on this? (Dennis unfortunately stopped posting)

Thanks in advance,

Teun

[Anonymous]

Dennis is correct.

Dennis is still here.

Charles made code to do this automatically so you don't wreak havoc on
an otherwise simple (but time consuming) process.

http://www.cbliss.com/inventor/iCode/index.htm

Get the Save n Replace macro.

QBZ



"Teun Ham" wrote in message
news:95977E3DBD516B32B56CDA9F7BF59F23@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Hi all,
>
> Dennis Jeffrey told me that he could use Replace Component to replace
a part
> with an sub-assembly (containing that same part) while NOT loosing the
> constraints to the "outer-world" (See topic "Demote - Wish"
(22-09-2003,
> 13:54)). He even posted an example in IVCF, but I can't get it to
work...
>
> If Dennis is right, it could save me (all of us in fact) a lot of time
> reconstraining the sub-assembly into the main-assembly!
>
> Can anyone shed some light on this? (Dennis unfortunately stopped
posting)
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Teun
>
>

[Anonymous]

Private Sub Small_Rant()

I still wish Dennis is correct...
I am glad Dennis is still here...
I know that Charles has made the Save n Replace marco...
I know that English is not my first language, but is my English so bad???

End Sub

I do know how to use the Replace Command to replace Parts with Parts, and
Assemblies with Assemblies within a Main Assembly. I will not loose any
constraints. Charles made a very nice marco (that could use some
improvements such as selecting the part/assy in the 3D view without
crashing).

What I want is to replace a PART with an ASSEMBLY (containing that same
part) while keeping ALL CONSTRAINTS to the "outer-world"! I say "with" an
assembly, not "within" an assembly!

Save n Replace cannot replace a part with an assembly, it can replace a part
within an assembly.
Dennis said it could be done, I stil don't know how.

I hope I am clear now...

Could still someone shed some light on this???

Thanks,

Teun

P.s. Thanks for the reply Quinn, no hard feelings 🙂


"Quinn Zander" wrote in message
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> Dennis is correct.
>
> Dennis is still here.
>
> Charles made code to do this automatically so you don't wreak havoc on
> an otherwise simple (but time consuming) process.
>
> http://www.cbliss.com/inventor/iCode/index.htm
>
> Get the Save n Replace macro.
>
> QBZ
>
>
>
> "Teun Ham" wrote in message
> news:95977E3DBD516B32B56CDA9F7BF59F23@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Dennis Jeffrey told me that he could use Replace Component to replace
> a part
> > with an sub-assembly (containing that same part) while NOT loosing the
> > constraints to the "outer-world" (See topic "Demote - Wish"
> (22-09-2003,
> > 13:54)). He even posted an example in IVCF, but I can't get it to
> work...
> >
> > If Dennis is right, it could save me (all of us in fact) a lot of time
> > reconstraining the sub-assembly into the main-assembly!
> >
> > Can anyone shed some light on this? (Dennis unfortunately stopped
> posting)
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Teun
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

I would think that the only way to semi-automate the replacement of a
Part with an Assembly would be to define groups of iMates (called
Composite iMates) all of the same name (and the same order in the
composite group-the internal group doesn't have to be named to match-but
they have to be ordered).

The Sub would be constrained into the assembly with the Composite Imate.
When the Sub is deleted, the Composite in the assembly becomes
"available". When the part is inserted, check the "use iMate" in the
dialog and the part should fall right into place as it will have a
composite with the same name as the one in the assembly.

Unfortunately, it does not seem that the iMate interface is available
directly in the "Replace Component" dialog.

Perhaps someone would know if it is possible to access iMates during a
"Replace" through the API.

QBZ


"Teun Ham" wrote in message
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> What I want is to replace a PART with an ASSEMBLY (containing that
same
> part) while keeping ALL CONSTRAINTS to the "outer-world"! I say "with"
an
> assembly, not "within" an assembly!

[Anonymous]

Teun

If it is any help, I am not able to replace a part with a assembly containing that part
either. I think if it was possible then we wouldn't be loosing constraints when demoting
a part in a assembly.

Not sure what Dennis was doing, but I think he might have misunderstood what you need.
If not we will both learn something 8^)

--
Kent
Assistant Moderator
Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program


"Teun Ham" wrote in message
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> Private Sub Small_Rant()

[Anonymous]

See Inventor Customer Files

Quinn Zander wrote:

>Dennis is correct.
>
>Dennis is still here.
>
>Charles made code to do this automatically so you don't wreak havoc on
>an otherwise simple (but time consuming) process.
>
>http://www.cbliss.com/inventor/iCode/index.htm
>
>Get the Save n Replace macro.
>
>QBZ
>
>
>
>"Teun Ham" wrote in message
>news:95977E3DBD516B32B56CDA9F7BF59F23@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
>
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>Dennis Jeffrey told me that he could use Replace Component to replace
>>
>>
>a part
>
>
>>with an sub-assembly (containing that same part) while NOT loosing the
>>constraints to the "outer-world" (See topic "Demote - Wish"
>>
>>
>(22-09-2003,
>
>
>>13:54)). He even posted an example in IVCF, but I can't get it to
>>
>>
>work...
>
>
>>If Dennis is right, it could save me (all of us in fact) a lot of time
>>reconstraining the sub-assembly into the main-assembly!
>>
>>Can anyone shed some light on this? (Dennis unfortunately stopped
>>
>>
>posting)
>
>
>>Thanks in advance,
>>
>>Teun
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

--
Dennis Jeffrey
Autodesk Product Consulting and Training
Center for Design Excellence
http://www.engineering-helpdesk.com
http://www.design-excellence.com
260-459-1311 ext 221 or 800-550-6070 ext 221

[Anonymous]

Dennis

I am looking at the files. What are the steps you are saying to use to
take a part that is in a assembly, move or put it in a new assembly and
then replace the original?

--
Kent Keller
http://www.MyMcad.com/KWiK/Mcad.htm

Assistant Moderator
Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program

"Dennis Jeffrey" wrote in message
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> See Inventor Customer Files
>

[Anonymous]

Sorry, I lost the original text I sent to the newsgroup user..... It's
really simple.

1. Open assembly1 You will notice 2 parts in the assembly, test1 &
test2. Test1 is grounded and test 2 is constrained to test1,

2. Select Replace. In the screen or the browser, select test2. A
dialog will appear, so browse to
Weldtest.iam, which contains a weldment assembly with test2 as a part of
the assembly.

3. Done....... hope that clarifies things

Kent Keller wrote:

>Dennis
>
>I am looking at the files. What are the steps you are saying to use to
>take a part that is in a assembly, move or put it in a new assembly and
>then replace the original?
>
>
>

--
Dennis Jeffrey
Autodesk Product Consulting and Training
Center for Design Excellence
http://www.engineering-helpdesk.com
http://www.design-excellence.com
260-459-1311 ext 221 or 800-550-6070 ext 221

[Anonymous]

But Dennis after doing that there is no constraints between WeldTest and
Test1. Unless I am reading it wrong, that is the whole point of this
thread.

--
Kent Keller
http://www.MyMcad.com/KWiK/Mcad.htm

Assistant Moderator
Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program

"Dennis Jeffrey" wrote in message
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> Sorry, I lost the original text I sent to the newsgroup user..... It's
> really simple.
>
> 1. Open assembly1 You will notice 2 parts in the assembly, test1 &
> test2. Test1 is grounded and test 2 is constrained to test1,
>
> 2. Select Replace. In the screen or the browser, select test2. A
> dialog will appear, so browse to
> Weldtest.iam, which contains a weldment assembly with test2 as a part
of
> the assembly.
>
> 3. Done....... hope that clarifies things
>

[Anonymous]

You are correct..... I guess I've been burning way too many hours lately.

Dennis

Kent Keller wrote:

>But Dennis after doing that there is no constraints between WeldTest and
>Test1. Unless I am reading it wrong, that is the whole point of this
>thread.
>
>
>

--
Dennis Jeffrey
Autodesk Product Consulting and Training
Center for Design Excellence
http://www.engineering-helpdesk.com
http://www.design-excellence.com
260-459-1311 ext 221 or 800-550-6070 ext 221

[Anonymous]

Been there done that 8^)

--
Kent Keller
http://www.MyMcad.com/KWiK/Mcad.htm

Assistant Moderator
Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program

"Dennis Jeffrey" wrote in message
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> You are correct..... I guess I've been burning way too many hours
lately.
>
> Dennis

[Anonymous]

While I know of no way to replace one component with another component that
is similar, I can offer a method that might alleviate some pain in some
circumstances. I apologize in advance if this is old advice readily
understood by regular participants.

Assuming you want to replace a part in an existing assembly with a modified
version of the part but do not want to modify the existing part file, the
following procedure will help:

1) Open the assembly and then open the part to be replaced within the
assembly.

2) Save a Copy of the part to be replaced and then close the part window.

3) Replace the part to be replaced in every instance where you require the
modified part - the constraints will still be intact.

4) Edit the new part as needed.

I use this process more often than I would have initially expected. I hope
you also find it helpful.

Sincerely,

Michael

[Anonymous]

Thanks guys for all your efforts.

It seems like we still need to wait for the next release(s) untill we can
replace a part with an assembly while keeping ALL constriants.

Thanks again!


"Michael Trull" wrote in message
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> While I know of no way to replace one component with another component
that
> is similar, I can offer a method that might alleviate some pain in some
> circumstances. I apologize in advance if this is old advice readily
> understood by regular participants.
>
> Assuming you want to replace a part in an existing assembly with a
modified
> version of the part but do not want to modify the existing part file, the
> following procedure will help:
>
> 1) Open the assembly and then open the part to be replaced within the
> assembly.
>
> 2) Save a Copy of the part to be replaced and then close the part window.
>
> 3) Replace the part to be replaced in every instance where you require the
> modified part - the constraints will still be intact.
>
> 4) Edit the new part as needed.
>
> I use this process more often than I would have initially expected. I hope
> you also find it helpful.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Michael
>
>