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Common Sketches for different parts

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Anonymous
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‎11-06-2003 09:49 AM
‎11-06-2003 09:49 AM

Common Sketches for different parts

I have been looking for a way to avoid recreating sketches that could be
used to create slightly different parts. This is what I have done.

I first create a master part file with all the geometry known to be the
same for a group of parts.
Then I derive that file into the final part file.
I Start a new sketch and promote the geometry needed for that sketch. I
create as many sketches as I need from that geometry.
When I have consumed and the geometry in sketches, I delete the derived
part.
Upon deleting the derived part, all the geometry on the sketches are
change to reference geometry so it must be changed back to normal and
constrained.
Now I can use these sketches as if I had created them from scratch.

I think that I have found a solution that does what I need but would like
some advise as to any drawbacks.

Thanks,

Mark N.
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-06-2003 10:12 AM
‎11-06-2003 10:12 AM

I may be missing what you're trying to do but I do something similar (I
think). I do a sketch that contains the different configurations and just
extrude what needs to be extruded then save copy as.
~Larry

"Mark N." wrote in message
news:C31734FD96464E62422EDDA0DB96F825@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I have been looking for a way to avoid recreating sketches that could be
> used to create slightly different parts. This is what I have done.
>
> I first create a master part file with all the geometry known to be
the
> same for a group of parts.
> Then I derive that file into the final part file.
> I Start a new sketch and promote the geometry needed for that sketch.
I
> create as many sketches as I need from that geometry.
> When I have consumed and the geometry in sketches, I delete the
derived
> part.
> Upon deleting the derived part, all the geometry on the sketches are
> change to reference geometry so it must be changed back to normal and
> constrained.
> Now I can use these sketches as if I had created them from scratch.
>
> I think that I have found a solution that does what I need but would like
> some advise as to any drawbacks.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark N.
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-06-2003 10:23 AM
‎11-06-2003 10:23 AM

If you are going to delete the geometry anyway, wouldn't it be easier to do
your sketch in AutoCAD? Sketch on different layers & they will come in as
separate sketches. That way you have full control over visibility & can
create more complex geometry. Inventor chokes when you start getting larger
sketches. Just a thought anyway.

--
Dave Hoder
Product Design Engineer
idX Seattle
www.idxcorporation.com
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-06-2003 11:18 AM
‎11-06-2003 11:18 AM

I have yet to figure out how to get AutoCAD geometry into IV so that it
comes in as a sketch instead of "3rd Party". Please explain!

Mark

"Dave Hoder" wrote in
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| If you are going to delete the geometry anyway, wouldn't it be easier to
do
| your sketch in AutoCAD? Sketch on different layers & they will come in as
| separate sketches. That way you have full control over visibility & can
| create more complex geometry. Inventor chokes when you start getting
larger
| sketches. Just a thought anyway.
|
| --
| Dave Hoder
| Product Design Engineer
| idX Seattle
| www.idxcorporation.com
|
|
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-06-2003 11:25 AM
‎11-06-2003 11:25 AM

That works also but I am creating a many similar parts that share only . . .
say 3 bosses in a circular pattern and a few other cuts on a round disk.
What I want to do is copy those shared sketches into similar but different
parts.

Mark

"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
news:A71D960C09AF967357D6B24C0EC071FF@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
| I may be missing what you're trying to do but I do something similar (I
| think). I do a sketch that contains the different configurations and just
| extrude what needs to be extruded then save copy as.
| ~Larry
|
| "Mark N." wrote in message
| news:C31734FD96464E62422EDDA0DB96F825@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
| > I have been looking for a way to avoid recreating sketches that could be
| > used to create slightly different parts. This is what I have done.
| >
| > I first create a master part file with all the geometry known to be
| the
| > same for a group of parts.
| > Then I derive that file into the final part file.
| > I Start a new sketch and promote the geometry needed for that
sketch.
| I
| > create as many sketches as I need from that geometry.
| > When I have consumed and the geometry in sketches, I delete the
| derived
| > part.
| > Upon deleting the derived part, all the geometry on the sketches are
| > change to reference geometry so it must be changed back to normal and
| > constrained.
| > Now I can use these sketches as if I had created them from scratch.
| >
| > I think that I have found a solution that does what I need but would
like
| > some advise as to any drawbacks.
| >
| > Thanks,
| >
| > Mark N.
| >
| >
|
|
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-06-2003 11:29 AM
‎11-06-2003 11:29 AM

While in a sketch hit the Acad Icon.

It really sounds to me like you should just be doing Master sketch
modeling. Actually you are doing it, but then you break the link which
is the best part about master sketch.

--
Kent Keller
http://www.MyMcad.com/KWiK/Mcad.htm

Assistant Moderator
Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program

"Mark N." wrote in message
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> I have yet to figure out how to get AutoCAD geometry into IV so that
it
> comes in as a sketch instead of "3rd Party". Please explain!
>
> Mark
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-06-2003 11:38 AM
‎11-06-2003 11:38 AM

After posting this initial thread, I visited your site once again and found
the bit on Master Sketch. It does seem that simple and turns out that is
what I probably was doing without knowing.

Thanks!

"Kent Keller" wrote in message
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| While in a sketch hit the Acad Icon.
|
| It really sounds to me like you should just be doing Master sketch
| modeling. Actually you are doing it, but then you break the link which
| is the best part about master sketch.
|
| --
| Kent Keller
| http://www.MyMcad.com/KWiK/Mcad.htm
|
| Assistant Moderator
| Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
|
| "Mark N." wrote in message
| news:81F4E3D26D2D320E97A91C4DE93769E1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
| > I have yet to figure out how to get AutoCAD geometry into IV so that
| it
| > comes in as a sketch instead of "3rd Party". Please explain!
| >
| > Mark
|
|
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-06-2003 11:51 AM
‎11-06-2003 11:51 AM

Thanks all!!! Found my solution for this one!

Mark N

"Kent Keller" wrote in message
news:CFE177D4A0B1D4E91D9142869B64C830@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
| While in a sketch hit the Acad Icon.
|
| It really sounds to me like you should just be doing Master sketch
| modeling. Actually you are doing it, but then you break the link which
| is the best part about master sketch.
|
| --
| Kent Keller
| http://www.MyMcad.com/KWiK/Mcad.htm
|
| Assistant Moderator
| Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
|
| "Mark N." wrote in message
| news:81F4E3D26D2D320E97A91C4DE93769E1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
| > I have yet to figure out how to get AutoCAD geometry into IV so that
| it
| > comes in as a sketch instead of "3rd Party". Please explain!
| >
| > Mark
|
|
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-06-2003 03:39 PM
‎11-06-2003 03:39 PM

Now I am very curious...

...what is your solution? Not breaking the link with the derived sketch?
Welcome to Skeleton Modeling (or Master Modeling)!

"Mark N." wrote in message
news:7E35CF290B3FBC5C6248F926AFB40452@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Thanks all!!! Found my solution for this one!
>
> Mark N
>
> "Kent Keller" wrote in message
> news:CFE177D4A0B1D4E91D9142869B64C830@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> | While in a sketch hit the Acad Icon.
> |
> | It really sounds to me like you should just be doing Master sketch
> | modeling. Actually you are doing it, but then you break the link which
> | is the best part about master sketch.
> |
> | --
> | Kent Keller
> | http://www.MyMcad.com/KWiK/Mcad.htm
> |
> | Assistant Moderator
> | Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
> |
> | "Mark N." wrote in message
> | news:81F4E3D26D2D320E97A91C4DE93769E1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> | > I have yet to figure out how to get AutoCAD geometry into IV so that
> | it
> | > comes in as a sketch instead of "3rd Party". Please explain!
> | >
> | > Mark
> |
> |
>
>
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Message 10 of 12
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-06-2003 09:57 PM
‎11-06-2003 09:57 PM

Master Modeling/Skeleton Modeling seems to solve the things I wanted to do.

Additional thread - Sketches @ 11/5/03 9:15 pm

Mark

"Teun Ham" wrote in message
news:C90D8885C867CEFEE87C0D78E5212E42@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
| Now I am very curious...
|
| ...what is your solution? Not breaking the link with the derived sketch?
| Welcome to Skeleton Modeling (or Master Modeling)!
|
| "Mark N." wrote in message
| news:7E35CF290B3FBC5C6248F926AFB40452@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
| > Thanks all!!! Found my solution for this one!
| >
| > Mark N
| >
| > "Kent Keller" wrote in message
| > news:CFE177D4A0B1D4E91D9142869B64C830@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
| > | While in a sketch hit the Acad Icon.
| > |
| > | It really sounds to me like you should just be doing Master sketch
| > | modeling. Actually you are doing it, but then you break the link
which
| > | is the best part about master sketch.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Kent Keller
| > | http://www.MyMcad.com/KWiK/Mcad.htm
| > |
| > | Assistant Moderator
| > | Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
| > |
| > | "Mark N." wrote in message
| > | news:81F4E3D26D2D320E97A91C4DE93769E1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
| > | > I have yet to figure out how to get AutoCAD geometry into IV so
that
| > | it
| > | > comes in as a sketch instead of "3rd Party". Please explain!
| > | >
| > | > Mark
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
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Message 11 of 12
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-06-2003 10:35 PM
‎11-06-2003 10:35 PM

Doesn't anyone use iFeatures anymore?

Bob

"mn" wrote in message news:B93E9BEF5B786227945B7DD1E1AA581E@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Master Modeling/Skeleton Modeling seems to solve the things I wanted to do.
>
> Additional thread - Sketches @ 11/5/03 9:15 pm
>
> Mark
>
> "Teun Ham" wrote in message
> news:C90D8885C867CEFEE87C0D78E5212E42@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> | Now I am very curious...
> |
> | ...what is your solution? Not breaking the link with the derived sketch?
> | Welcome to Skeleton Modeling (or Master Modeling)!
> |
> | "Mark N." wrote in message
> | news:7E35CF290B3FBC5C6248F926AFB40452@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> | > Thanks all!!! Found my solution for this one!
> | >
> | > Mark N
> | >
> | > "Kent Keller" wrote in message
> | > news:CFE177D4A0B1D4E91D9142869B64C830@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> | > | While in a sketch hit the Acad Icon.
> | > |
> | > | It really sounds to me like you should just be doing Master sketch
> | > | modeling. Actually you are doing it, but then you break the link
> which
> | > | is the best part about master sketch.
> | > |
> | > | --
> | > | Kent Keller
> | > | http://www.MyMcad.com/KWiK/Mcad.htm
> | > |
> | > | Assistant Moderator
> | > | Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
> | > |
> | > | "Mark N." wrote in message
> | > | news:81F4E3D26D2D320E97A91C4DE93769E1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> | > | > I have yet to figure out how to get AutoCAD geometry into IV so
> that
> | > | it
> | > | > comes in as a sketch instead of "3rd Party". Please explain!
> | > | >
> | > | > Mark
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-09-2003 11:50 PM
‎11-09-2003 11:50 PM

Sorry Bob,

Long time MDT user just getting into IV. Have yet to check into iFeature.

Mark N.

"Bob" wrote in message
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> Doesn't anyone use iFeatures anymore?
>
> Bob
>
> "mn" wrote in message
news:B93E9BEF5B786227945B7DD1E1AA581E@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Master Modeling/Skeleton Modeling seems to solve the things I wanted to
do.
> >
> > Additional thread - Sketches @ 11/5/03 9:15 pm
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > "Teun Ham" wrote in message
> > news:C90D8885C867CEFEE87C0D78E5212E42@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > | Now I am very curious...
> > |
> > | ...what is your solution? Not breaking the link with the derived
sketch?
> > | Welcome to Skeleton Modeling (or Master Modeling)!
> > |
> > | "Mark N." wrote in message
> > | news:7E35CF290B3FBC5C6248F926AFB40452@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > | > Thanks all!!! Found my solution for this one!
> > | >
> > | > Mark N
> > | >
> > | > "Kent Keller" wrote in message
> > | > news:CFE177D4A0B1D4E91D9142869B64C830@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > | > | While in a sketch hit the Acad Icon.
> > | > |
> > | > | It really sounds to me like you should just be doing Master sketch
> > | > | modeling. Actually you are doing it, but then you break the link
> > which
> > | > | is the best part about master sketch.
> > | > |
> > | > | --
> > | > | Kent Keller
> > | > | http://www.MyMcad.com/KWiK/Mcad.htm
> > | > |
> > | > | Assistant Moderator
> > | > | Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
> > | > |
> > | > | "Mark N." wrote in message
> > | > | news:81F4E3D26D2D320E97A91C4DE93769E1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > | > | > I have yet to figure out how to get AutoCAD geometry into IV so
> > that
> > | > | it
> > | > | > comes in as a sketch instead of "3rd Party". Please explain!
> > | > | >
> > | > | > Mark
> > | > |
> > | > |
> > | >
> > | >
> > |
> > |
> >
> >
>
>
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