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jletcher
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Re: Classic menu in Inventor 2013

05-31-2012 07:06 AM in reply to: Mark_Flayler

How do you know they learn it faster You said you did not start teaching till after the new interface so if you never trained anyong with the classic you cannot tell me its faster... I know have trained with classic and have trained with the ribbon. After a week of the client trying to remember what tab for what command I then showed them the classic and they all was up to speed in one day.

 

So I am sorry but you are way wrong on that on...

 

Just put it back let me pick the way I work. I should not be forced to use such an unproductive interface...

 

 


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Mark_Flayler
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Message 32 of 99 (693 Views)

Re: Classic menu in Inventor 2013

05-31-2012 08:03 AM in reply to: jletcher

I mentioned I used from R4 to R11 before I joined so I did work with R11 to 2010 and had plenty of experience teaching both interfaces to a large amount of new users.  It was rare even then with 2010 and newer Inventor finding users that had never seen that type of interface before in another software so it wasn't that hard for them to pick up.

 

If you want it to be added back to 2013 as an edit, start up a petition.  That will be possibly the only way at this point.  They have added a lot of functionality to the Ribbon, just needs a little more push to get it where I think it needs to be.

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jletcher
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Message 33 of 99 (673 Views)

Re: Classic menu in Inventor 2013

05-31-2012 09:01 AM in reply to: Mark_Flayler

Mark said:

 

They have added a lot of functionality to the Ribbon, just needs a little more push to get it where I think it needs to be..

 

you don't matter you are a demo guy and we the users are telling you to keep classic and that is all that should matter to autodesk. Not some demo guy that don't have a clue....

 

As far as programming two interfaces LOL back when inventor came out the biggest talk was how inventor will be one package software. Will not be like Pro-e everything will be in one. Now we all know that was a lie there are what 7 Inventor packages now?

 

Sorry just let me keep my classic. Or lose my subscription because there is no way I am upgrading to a time waste ribbon. And I am now telling clients not to upgrade and no on subscription and you may say you are small numbers I control about 50 to 60 seat with the clients I have now so losing 70 to 80 thousand in supscription will not hurt anyone.


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Re: Classic menu in Inventor 2013

05-31-2012 09:26 AM in reply to: jletcher

We we go with the demo guy stuff again...if you think that is all I do, you are the one without a clue.  You think I demo'd the software for 8 years before I joined a Professional Services Company?

 

And you would tell users not to upgrade even though they will lose out on something that would seriously benefit them only because of the interface?  Isn't that a little short sighted?  And lets say that you did drop subscription...with the changes to that program, if they did add a new refined interface into the software and you were really into it, then you would have to buy the software from scratch again or up to around 70% of the cost of the software.

 

And if you understood CIP data and what Autodesk did collect and the ease of use now between interfaces of different products that were refined with the Ribbon (Autodesk Simulation for instance) then you would understand the decision a little better.  CIP data did not support a large number of changing to the classic interface.  When you consider over a million users of the software sometimes the ones most frustrated are the ones that speak out here, but that does not make quorum.

 

Yes, veteran users feel the pinch.  New younger users do not and actually found to dislike the old interface.  The new users to Inventor are a higher part of the bell curve right now.

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Re: Classic menu in Inventor 2013

05-31-2012 10:36 AM in reply to: Mark_Flayler

Ugh Mark if everyone liked it there would be no threads asking for the classic back.

 

More clicks to me is dollar signs and Autodesk is costing me lots of clicks because of a dumb ribbon a demo guy likes..

 

Like I said I will not upgrade or tell others to upgrade and yes when my subscription is up I will not renew matter of fact I will see if I can just stop it now.....and get a refund to offset the money I am losing with the extra clicks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Message 36 of 99 (631 Views)

Re: Classic menu in Inventor 2013

05-31-2012 10:43 AM in reply to: Mark_Flayler

As most of you know, Windows 8 is about to be released, so what you may say, but here's an interesting twist to the whole ribbon/no ribbon debate.

 

Microsoft has added the ribbon to Windows Explorer (NOT Internet Explorer) and the feedback that Microsoft received about that descision made them re-think the whole thing, so now, when Windows 8 ships, the ribbon in Windows Explorer will be optional.

 

It will still remain the default 'as installed' option, but users will have the ability to switch it off. A decision I am pleased to hear about as I spend a lot of my time in Windows Explorer and I have tried the new ribbon version and frankly I didn't like it either.

 

As to which is the better interface, that is highly debatable, and ultimately it comes down to personal preference. But one factor that has not been raised here, is the fact that people in the age group 15-25 are much more receptive and able to adapt to new things in general. People aged from 25-35 are receptive but their abilities to learn and re-learn new things diminishes a little. People in the age group 35-45 remain receptive to a lesser degree and their abilities to learn and re-learn diminish even further. People over 45 are much less receptive to change and their abilities to learn, re-learn are even more reduced.

 

Just as an aside, a person reaches his/her peak intellect at the age of 23. Just in case you were wondering ... lol

 

This is something that Microsoft also failed to recognise and based on their research they did not factor in age groups effectively as they tended to focus on the numbers in each age group and did not consider any other factors related to age. They also were unable to effectively gauge the amount of time taken between option selection because this is something that is extremely difficult to measure, given the methods of data collection employed by Microsoft, and is largely dependant on the individual.

 

So what that means is that Microsoft missed a few valuable points when arriving at their conclusion that the ribbon was the most effective interface.

 

Having said that, there is good and bad in both interfaces. The ribbon provides an attractive interface with large icons and plenty of space to seperate the various commands. there is also a constant space taken at any given time that reduces the impact of excessive toolbars and the like. However, only approx. 10% of the available commands are displayed at any given time, making it more difficult to recall where certain commands reside, and this does have an impact based on the aforementioned age group scenario.

 

The traditional interface, provides a much larger number of commands to be visible at any given time, but that also reduces the actual size of the icons, which we all use to recognise one command from another, and in some cases it also reduces the the available workspace. The traditional interface also makes it much more likely that a user will click on an unwanted command, which in itself can be frustrating.

 

You must also remember that the traditional interface was created at a time when the average screen size was 800x600 pixels, the default screen size when installing WindowsXP.

 

With Windows Vista and later, the average screen size increased and both Vista and Windows 7 will install the largest screen size available and the ribbon was built to take advantage of that.

 

So, which is best, ribbon or traditional? It's actually, whatever works best for YOU, the individual.

 

Should Autodesk bring back the option to switch interfaces, absolutely!

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jletcher
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Re: Classic menu in Inventor 2013

05-31-2012 10:50 AM in reply to: trumpy81

Nice..... And do agree on the age thing. I love to learn new things as long as it don't cost me money and thats what the ribbon has done cost me money...

 

 

Very nice again...


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Message 38 of 99 (609 Views)

Re: Classic menu in Inventor 2013

05-31-2012 12:30 PM in reply to: Mark_Flayler

ok here you go making a sheet metal part with a derived surface.

 

Start new sheet metal finish sketch look for derived feature oh look its not under sheet metal must click a tab oh there it is under the model tab oh there it is click pick part finish oh look still in model tab now I need sheet metal must clisk tab for sheet metal.

 

 

Yeah your right it's faster..........  NOT

 

2 clicks I never had to do before....

 

Lets customize............................ done.

 

 See after it is said and done I will have the classic look one way......

 

Thanks for thinking of the end user Autodesk..............

 

 


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Re: Classic menu in Inventor 2013

05-31-2012 12:37 PM in reply to: jletcher

Well there you go! Simply add it to your Marking Menu for Sheet Metal and you just have to right click right in the graphics screen.

 

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Message 40 of 99 (597 Views)

Re: Classic menu in Inventor 2013

05-31-2012 12:40 PM in reply to: jletcher

"automation and consulting projects" is not the same as producing drawing on a deadline

 

Would you say people who are trying to circumvent the default interface with what may or may not be a registry hack more or less likely to opt into the CIP? Just what percentage of users are actually in the CIP? If participation is voluntary does that "make a quorum"?

 

Everything fit in the toolbar - now there are a bunch of tabs where what you need is hidden - in Inventor and Office.

If you follow someone who makes a bad decision does that make it a good decision?

 

If I had the classic interface I would have time to go on.

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