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Anonymous
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‎11-18-2002 12:16 AM
‎11-18-2002 12:16 AM

Bleed Thru Continues

. . . and the bleed thru problem continues in printing and/or plotting even
after SP1 is installed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hidden edges
showing in shaded views!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do I need to show another example in CF??? I've been complaining about this
since Beta 2!!!!!!!!!!! I thought this was to be fixed!!!! Shaded views
are also looking very "cartoonish" with heavy black outlines and poor color
quality!!!!!!!! I am going to post a sample in CF - material is white
delrin - idw created in IV5.3 (or 5, or 4 - can't remember). The second
sample (idw) was created just now - bleed thru gone. So it appears that
shaded views in old (pre-IV6 SP1) idw's will not print/plot properly. Am I
correct in my assumption?

The graphics driver is fully certified.
The graphics driver ID is NVIDIA Corporation\Quadro/AGP/SSE\1.2.2
Graphics driver file nv4_disp.dll is version 5.13.01.1241
Using Full optimization (this is the recommended setting)
SwapType = 4
Workarounds = 0x00000000
Workarounds2 = 0x00000002
The display is using 32-bit color

HW Library Version = Win2K - $Revision: #3 $
HW Library Date = $DateTime: 2002/11/11 13:09:54 $

Options = 0
Warning Options = 15


Settings for optimized and conservative:
SwapType: 4, 2
Workarounds: 0x00000000, 0x00000000
Workarounds2: 0x00000002, 0x00000040
Text Options: 0x00000002, 0x00000000
OpenGL Version: 12, 12
Recommended Optimization Level: 2
Texture Font Precision: 32
Stroke Font Precision: 0.001000
Driver Rating: 3
Inventor Version Tested: 6070a

Using OpenGL 1.1
swap behavior: saveRestore(4)
OpenGL errors: None.
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-18-2002 12:22 AM
‎11-18-2002 12:22 AM

Mark,

might want to save the Paint Shop Pro images as JPEGs. Not all of us have
Paint Shop Pro...

I'll have to check some of my older files. I do not see the bleed thru on
files created in R6.


--
Sean Dotson, PE
http://www.sdotson.com
...sleep is for the weak..
-----------------------------------------
"Mark Triton" wrote in message
news:0A1C709BFC959787F327096F1BC7317A@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> . . . and the bleed thru problem continues in printing and/or plotting
even
> after SP1 is installed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hidden edges
> showing in shaded views!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Do I need to show another example in CF??? I've been complaining about
this
> since Beta 2!!!!!!!!!!! I thought this was to be fixed!!!! Shaded views
> are also looking very "cartoonish" with heavy black outlines and poor
color
> quality!!!!!!!! I am going to post a sample in CF - material is white
> delrin - idw created in IV5.3 (or 5, or 4 - can't remember). The second
> sample (idw) was created just now - bleed thru gone. So it appears that
> shaded views in old (pre-IV6 SP1) idw's will not print/plot properly. Am
I
> correct in my assumption?
>
> The graphics driver is fully certified.
> The graphics driver ID is NVIDIA Corporation\Quadro/AGP/SSE\1.2.2
> Graphics driver file nv4_disp.dll is version 5.13.01.1241
> Using Full optimization (this is the recommended setting)
> SwapType = 4
> Workarounds = 0x00000000
> Workarounds2 = 0x00000002
> The display is using 32-bit color
>
> HW Library Version = Win2K - $Revision: #3 $
> HW Library Date = $DateTime: 2002/11/11 13:09:54 $
>
> Options = 0
> Warning Options = 15
>
>
> Settings for optimized and conservative:
> SwapType: 4, 2
> Workarounds: 0x00000000, 0x00000000
> Workarounds2: 0x00000002, 0x00000040
> Text Options: 0x00000002, 0x00000000
> OpenGL Version: 12, 12
> Recommended Optimization Level: 2
> Texture Font Precision: 32
> Stroke Font Precision: 0.001000
> Driver Rating: 3
> Inventor Version Tested: 6070a
>
> Using OpenGL 1.1
> swap behavior: saveRestore(4)
> OpenGL errors: None.
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-18-2002 12:32 AM
‎11-18-2002 12:32 AM

Sorry - I meant to save them as JPEGs. Will redo. The bleed thru does not
seem to happen on files created in R6 - only previous idw's.

Mark


"Sean Dotson" wrote in message
news:12C4FFB82CD62445CF04CD20EB7D0CDF@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Mark,
>
> might want to save the Paint Shop Pro images as JPEGs. Not all of us have
> Paint Shop Pro...
>
> I'll have to check some of my older files. I do not see the bleed thru on
> files created in R6.
>
>
> --
> Sean Dotson, PE
> http://www.sdotson.com
> ...sleep is for the weak..
> -----------------------------------------
> "Mark Triton" wrote in message
> news:0A1C709BFC959787F327096F1BC7317A@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > . . . and the bleed thru problem continues in printing and/or plotting
> even
> > after SP1 is installed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hidden edges
> > showing in shaded views!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > Do I need to show another example in CF??? I've been complaining about
> this
> > since Beta 2!!!!!!!!!!! I thought this was to be fixed!!!! Shaded
views
> > are also looking very "cartoonish" with heavy black outlines and poor
> color
> > quality!!!!!!!! I am going to post a sample in CF - material is white
> > delrin - idw created in IV5.3 (or 5, or 4 - can't remember). The second
> > sample (idw) was created just now - bleed thru gone. So it appears that
> > shaded views in old (pre-IV6 SP1) idw's will not print/plot properly.
Am
> I
> > correct in my assumption?
> >
> > The graphics driver is fully certified.
> > The graphics driver ID is NVIDIA Corporation\Quadro/AGP/SSE\1.2.2
> > Graphics driver file nv4_disp.dll is version 5.13.01.1241
> > Using Full optimization (this is the recommended setting)
> > SwapType = 4
> > Workarounds = 0x00000000
> > Workarounds2 = 0x00000002
> > The display is using 32-bit color
> >
> > HW Library Version = Win2K - $Revision: #3 $
> > HW Library Date = $DateTime: 2002/11/11 13:09:54 $
> >
> > Options = 0
> > Warning Options = 15
> >
> >
> > Settings for optimized and conservative:
> > SwapType: 4, 2
> > Workarounds: 0x00000000, 0x00000000
> > Workarounds2: 0x00000002, 0x00000040
> > Text Options: 0x00000002, 0x00000000
> > OpenGL Version: 12, 12
> > Recommended Optimization Level: 2
> > Texture Font Precision: 32
> > Stroke Font Precision: 0.001000
> > Driver Rating: 3
> > Inventor Version Tested: 6070a
> >
> > Using OpenGL 1.1
> > swap behavior: saveRestore(4)
> > OpenGL errors: None.
> >
> >
>
>
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MattH
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-18-2002 01:14 AM
‎11-18-2002 01:14 AM

Can't say for the bleed thru but have to agree, Inventor 6 SP1 shaded views do look very cartoonish (great if this is required but possibly a wee bit unprofessional looking compared to IV5.3)
Regards
Matt Hutchinson
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-18-2002 02:18 AM
‎11-18-2002 02:18 AM

I have a part that was created in R6 SP0.  In
my first drawing using SP1 this morning,  I kept getting the bleed through
in print preview and paper prints of one of the two shaded views I made of that
part.  I edited the view and changed to hidden line removed and then
changed again back to shaded.  That view now previews and prints with no
bleed through.  I don't know if that process will consistently fix any
views with bleed through, but you might want to try it.

 

        Ed
R

 

 


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
Can't
say for the bleed thru but have to agree, Inventor 6 SP1 shaded views do look
very cartoonish (great if this is required but possibly a wee bit
unprofessional looking compared to IV5.3)
Regards
Matt
Hutchinson
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-18-2002 02:57 AM
‎11-18-2002 02:57 AM

I believe that if you highlight the view in
the browser and click on the Update button, it will accomplish the same
thing--and you should not see any bleed-through when you print after doing the
Update.

 


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

I have a part that was created in R6 SP0. 
In my first drawing using SP1 this morning,  I kept getting the bleed
through in print preview and paper prints of one of the two shaded views I
made of that part.  I edited the view and changed to hidden line removed
and then changed again back to shaded.  That view now previews and prints
with no bleed through.  I don't know if that process will consistently
fix any views with bleed through, but you might want to try it.

 

        Ed
R

 

 


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
Can't
say for the bleed thru but have to agree, Inventor 6 SP1 shaded views do
look very cartoonish (great if this is required but possibly a wee bit
unprofessional looking compared to IV5.3)
Regards
Matt
Hutchinson
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-18-2002 03:05 AM
‎11-18-2002 03:05 AM

Thanks.  I will try that on the next one that
shows that problem.

 

       
    Ed R

 

 


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

I believe that if you highlight the view in
the browser and click on the Update button, it will accomplish the same
thing--and you should not see any bleed-through when you print after doing the
Update.

 


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

I have a part that was created in R6 SP0. 
In my first drawing using SP1 this morning,  I kept getting the bleed
through in print preview and paper prints of one of the two shaded views I
made of that part.  I edited the view and changed to hidden line
removed and then changed again back to shaded.  That view now previews
and prints with no bleed through.  I don't know if that process will
consistently fix any views with bleed through, but you might want to try
it.

 

        Ed
R

 

 


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
Can't
say for the bleed thru but have to agree, Inventor 6 SP1 shaded views do
look very cartoonish (great if this is required but possibly a wee bit
unprofessional looking compared to IV5.3)
Regards
Matt
Hutchinson
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-18-2002 03:28 AM
‎11-18-2002 03:28 AM

When I highlight the view in the browser, there is
no Update button available that I can see.  I have tried RMB and pull
downs.

 

        Ed
R

 

 

 


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

I believe that if you highlight the view in
the browser and click on the Update button, it will accomplish the same
thing--and you should not see any bleed-through when you print after doing the
Update.

 


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

I have a part that was created in R6 SP0. 
In my first drawing using SP1 this morning,  I kept getting the bleed
through in print preview and paper prints of one of the two shaded views I
made of that part.  I edited the view and changed to hidden line
removed and then changed again back to shaded.  That view now previews
and prints with no bleed through.  I don't know if that process will
consistently fix any views with bleed through, but you might want to try
it.

 

        Ed
R

 

 


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
Can't
say for the bleed thru but have to agree, Inventor 6 SP1 shaded views do
look very cartoonish (great if this is required but possibly a wee bit
unprofessional looking compared to IV5.3)
Regards
Matt
Hutchinson
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-18-2002 03:52 AM
‎11-18-2002 03:52 AM

That does not help trails that bleed through. 

 

Kathy Johnson


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

I believe that if you highlight the view in
the browser and click on the Update button, it will accomplish the same
thing--and you should not see any bleed-through when you print after doing the
Update.

 


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

I have a part that was created in R6 SP0. 
In my first drawing using SP1 this morning,  I kept getting the bleed
through in print preview and paper prints of one of the two shaded views I
made of that part.  I edited the view and changed to hidden line
removed and then changed again back to shaded.  That view now previews
and prints with no bleed through.  I don't know if that process will
consistently fix any views with bleed through, but you might want to try
it.

 

        Ed
R

 

 


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
Can't
say for the bleed thru but have to agree, Inventor 6 SP1 shaded views do
look very cartoonish (great if this is required but possibly a wee bit
unprofessional looking compared to IV5.3)
Regards
Matt
Hutchinson
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-18-2002 04:54 AM
‎11-18-2002 04:54 AM

Dottie -  YES - that trick worked for me (at
least on the first drawing I tried it on).  Hopefully it will continue to
clear up this problem on the other drawings!  THANK YOU!!!!!!

 

Mark


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

I believe that if you highlight the view in
the browser and click on the Update button, it will accomplish the same
thing--and you should not see any bleed-through when you print after doing the
Update.
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-18-2002 05:00 AM
‎11-18-2002 05:00 AM

Now for the cartoon issue. . . .  
renderings look like s*%t in idw's!!  Updating views does not help
alleviate this!
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎11-18-2002 06:18 AM
‎11-18-2002 06:18 AM

I found the update icon, but highlighting the view
in the browser and then updating does not solve the problem on my
drawings.  Also, after changing to hidden lines removed and back to shading
solves most of the problems, there remain small remnants of lines that should
not show.  These are the worst near filleted corners for me.  Shaded
views were so handy in 5.3, but they sure have become a pain with
R6.

 

        Ed
R

 

 


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

Dottie -  YES - that trick worked for me (at
least on the first drawing I tried it on).  Hopefully it will continue to
clear up this problem on the other drawings!  THANK
YOU!!!!!!

 

Mark


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

I believe that if you highlight the view
in the browser and click on the Update button, it will accomplish the same
thing--and you should not see any bleed-through when you print after doing
the Update.
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