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Re: Best mouse for navigating large IV assemblies

04-29-2013 05:58 AM in reply to: WORKSTATIONresearch

Its always Mouse + 3d connexion device.

The 3d "puck" is for view navigation only (zooming/panning,rotating)

The "cursor" will be controlled by the regular mouse.

Some have buttons but it is NEVER meant to replace a mouse. The buttons fire up certain dialog boxes, start commands,etc... 

 

I have the Space Pilot and have for a few years now and rarely use anymore than 1 or 2 of the buttons.. IMO the Space Navigator is really all you need (+ a regular mouse of course).. 

 

It makes a remarkable difference in how fast you work though.. I can't even work at home because I literally can't stand working in the 3d world without out one. 

 

With their latest drivers they can control lots of other programs too.. like Outlook/Web Browser, Word,etc... but again its basic page navigation and button functionality.. Not meant to replace a mouse.. No cursor is tied to it. 

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Re: Best mouse for navigating large IV assemblies

04-29-2013 06:11 AM in reply to: WORKSTATIONresearch

I've used the SpaceNavigator in the past, and currently use a SpaceMouse Pro.  That's basically the lowest-end model and a mid-range version.  My thoughts after using both of them are that the jump from not having a 3D mouse to having one is much bigger in effect than the step from one model to the next.  All the extra buttons are nice, but the most important function is the 3D navigation puck, which is present on all models.  If you're having a lot of trouble deciding, I'd suggest picking up a Navigator (which is very inexpensive - you can find them for <$100) and trying it out.

 

One thing you seem to be a little confused on is that the 3D Connexion devices do not replace a mouse.  They are designed to be used in conjunction with a mouse, in the opposite hand.  You actually can't use the 3D device by itself, as it is designed to move views on the screen, not to move the cursor or actually select anything.

 

Personally, I'm a lefty, who long ago learned to use a mouse right-handed.  Having the SpaceMouse for my left hand puts a lot of the power back to my dominant hand, which improves my performance quite a bit.  It also takes a lot of strain off your mouse hand, as you no longer need to use mouse/keyboard combos to pan, zoom, and rotate. 

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swhite
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Re: Best mouse for navigating large IV assemblies

04-29-2013 06:17 AM in reply to: WORKSTATIONresearch

The 3D mice simply rotate your model in 3D for easier and quicker access and especially handy for placing constraints. Couldn't do without one now, plus a few handy buttons for preset functions. it does not replace your normal mouse. It simply adds the functionality of being able to quickly rotate your model in 3d space. Can you do without one? Yes. Will you want to if you ever use one? No.

 

I've got one of the smaller ones, good for portability, and for most users they work just as well as the more expensive models, just fewer bells and whistles.

 

Or wait until the next generation gets worked out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKbqX-WUx9c

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Re: Best mouse for navigating large IV assemblies

04-29-2013 07:00 AM in reply to: swhite

I have several of the 3DConnexion models.  The Navigator is the one I use the most and almost never use the buttons even on that one.  The puck for navigation is all I need/use.

 

I do not like the out of the box settings for zoom/pan and change those so that pan up/down similar pan left/right.

I use with Inventor, Autodesk Simulation, SWx and Creo.  Also use with Google Earth before visiting any city I have not driven through before.

 

Once you get used to working with it - hard to work without one.

Particularly in adding fillets, assembling parts, routed systems (almost impossible torture without one).

And I have observed myself and students simply using for constant motion of model while planning next step in the design process.  Our screens are still 2D representations of 3D.  Motion helps give the impression of working in 3D.

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Re: Best mouse for navigating large IV assemblies

04-29-2013 07:48 AM in reply to: JDMather

JDMather wrote:

 

And I have observed myself and students simply using for constant motion of model while planning next step in the design process.  Our screens are still 2D representations of 3D.  Motion helps give the impression of working in 3D.


And here I thought I was the only goofy one who does that.. :smileyvery-happy:

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Re: Best mouse for navigating large IV assemblies

04-29-2013 08:13 AM in reply to: mcgyvr

I think that's pretty universal behavior :smileyhappy:

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Re: Best mouse for navigating large IV assemblies

04-29-2013 08:18 AM in reply to: swhite

The first couple of hours, the "Home View" icon on the screen is your best friend. After that, the only way you will want to work is with one. The only way they will be able to take if from you is to "pry it from your cold dead hand".

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Re: Best mouse for navigating large IV assemblies

04-29-2013 11:16 AM in reply to: WORKSTATIONresearch

A sample of what a 3D mouse does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIi1s1dNaCg

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Re: Best mouse for navigating large IV assemblies

04-29-2013 11:56 AM in reply to: swhite

Probably an even better one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMq5IkGB7lE

 

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Re: Best mouse for navigating large IV assemblies

04-29-2013 12:03 PM in reply to: blair

I didn't watch either all the way through.  Does either one use any of the buttons?  Point is, the more expensive models shown might not be needed.  Space Navigator with two buttons (that I rarely use) does all I need.  One of the buttons does Zoom All and I don't even remember what the other one does.  Navigation puck is all I use.

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