Inventor General Discussion

Inventor General Discussion

Reply
*Expert Elite*
PaulMunford
Posts: 918
Registered: ‎11-13-2006
Message 1 of 28 (3,289 Views)

Autodesk Inventor for Woodworkers - CAD CAM and nesting - What do you use?

3289 Views, 27 Replies
06-09-2011 06:25 AM

I've moved this conversation from Twitter to give us all a chance to reply in more than 140 Characters!

 

If you use Inventor in the wood working trades, how do you output to CAM? Do you use a 2D or 3D CAM package? do you use a standalone package or an integrated CAM soloution. Do you have any recommendations or warnings?

 

Let it all out!

The CAD Setter Out Blog @CadSetterOut

Inventor Surfacing | AutoCAD | CAD Standards
 
Please use the Mark Solutions! Accept as Solution or Give Kudos! Kudos functions - Thank you!
*Expert Elite*
PaulMunford
Posts: 918
Registered: ‎11-13-2006
Message 2 of 28 (3,278 Views)

Integrated Nesting soloutions

06-09-2011 06:35 AM in reply to: PaulMunford

Have you ever used any of these systems for Nesting parts for CAM out of Inventor?

 

http://www.sigmanest.com/en-us/index.aspx

http://www.mtc-software.com/products/pronest.php

http://www.radan.com/Radnest

http://www.striker-systems.com/

 

 

The CAD Setter Out Blog @CadSetterOut

Inventor Surfacing | AutoCAD | CAD Standards
 
Please use the Mark Solutions! Accept as Solution or Give Kudos! Kudos functions - Thank you!
Member
Stevew
Posts: 5
Registered: ‎07-26-2008
Message 3 of 28 (3,256 Views)

Re: Autodesk Inventor for Woodworkers - CAD CAM and nesting - What do you use?

06-09-2011 07:28 AM in reply to: PaulMunford

The best programs for nesting automatically  with Inventor  - Utilization CNC router at this time are:

 

Sigmanest

Router-Cim

 

There are others being developed with other CNC software programs at this time - Mastercam is in develoment.

 

The woodworkers design show in Las Vegas in July will have all the companies new software on demo display

*Expert Elite*
PaulMunford
Posts: 918
Registered: ‎11-13-2006
Message 4 of 28 (3,236 Views)

Integrated CAM

06-09-2011 08:29 AM in reply to: Stevew

How about Intgrated CAM Systems?

 

Any one used any of the following?

 

http://www.inventorcam.com/

http://www.delcam.com/news/press_article.asp?releaseId=1147

http://www.openmind-tech.com/en/products/hypermill/hypermill_in_inventor.html

 

(Did I miss any?)

 

We took the desiscion that our CAM programmer wouldn't get the use out of a seat of Inventor - so he uses Alphacam instead...

The CAD Setter Out Blog @CadSetterOut

Inventor Surfacing | AutoCAD | CAD Standards
 
Please use the Mark Solutions! Accept as Solution or Give Kudos! Kudos functions - Thank you!
Member
rogerhaley
Posts: 5
Registered: ‎10-03-2003
Message 5 of 28 (3,228 Views)

Re: Autodesk Inventor for Woodworkers - CAD CAM and nesting - What do you use?

06-09-2011 09:06 AM in reply to: PaulMunford

Well I should state first that I'm not an Inventor user, and I'm not in woodworking, so I'm not sure I'll be able to contribute to questions specifically related to either of those categories. My work involves mostly metal cutting, but since almost all of my parts are made from flat plate, there may be some overlap in experience. Also, I use Alibre Design for modeling, so hopefully I won't be too far behind on the Inventor side of things.

 

I am currently looking for a CAM package for our waterjet cutting and soon to be CNC plasma cutting requirements. On my list at the moment are ProNest, SigmaNEST, and another product called IGEMS. As far as I know, these are all 2D products and are stand alone, not integrated. IGEMS has CAD included, but ProNest only handles tool path and nesting, and SigmaNEST appears to be the same. CAD is not integral for our needs, I've been using Autocad LT for years, but it may be useful for training non-cad users if the cad interface is simpler than Autocad.

 

I had an in depth demo of ProNest a couple of weeks ago, and while it looks like a great product, it is heavy on the material tracking and job reporting end of things, which we may or may not use. There appear to be many optional modules, however, so I'll have to get through the quoting process to learn more.

 

Paul: what type of machine are you going to be making code for?

 

 

*Expert Elite*
PaulMunford
Posts: 918
Registered: ‎11-13-2006
Message 6 of 28 (3,194 Views)

Re: Autodesk Inventor for Woodworkers - CAD CAM and nesting - What do you use?

06-09-2011 12:01 PM in reply to: rogerhaley

We have a Biesse machine. We build Exhibitions and Museum exhibits, along with more traditional Joinery work. 

 

We mainly use the CNC machine for cutting profiled formers. The traditional Joinery goes through our Millwork shop. We could probably do a lot more with the CNC machine.

 

Our CNC Programmer has to deal with files from many differnt sources including the Architect or Designer, Subcontractors and freelancers.

 

We've found that the quickest way to get the parts from Inventor into Alphcam is to lay the parts out parallel to the XY plane and create a drawing from them. The whole DWG file can then be brought in to Alphacam in one hit, ready to add Ghost tools and Machining styles before being nested up.

 

How about the contenders for standalone CAM machining?Anyone had any experiencewith these?

http://www.alphacam.com/

http://www.mastercam.co.uk/

http://www.mtc-software.com/

http://www.siskiyouproducts.com/

The CAD Setter Out Blog @CadSetterOut

Inventor Surfacing | AutoCAD | CAD Standards
 
Please use the Mark Solutions! Accept as Solution or Give Kudos! Kudos functions - Thank you!
Member
rogerhaley
Posts: 5
Registered: ‎10-03-2003
Message 7 of 28 (3,161 Views)

Re: Autodesk Inventor for Woodworkers - CAD CAM and nesting - What do you use?

06-09-2011 10:54 PM in reply to: PaulMunford

Paul: I'm still not exactly clear on what your need is. You mentioned you already have Alphacam, so is that not working well for you? Or were you just curious (as am I) about users' experience with other products? 

 

Anyway, is your Biesse machine a CNC mill? Do you have need for profile cutting (as in: contours or 3D engraving), or only 2D cuts? I'm quite sure that SigmaNEST, ProNest (which is MTC-software) and IGEMS, which I mentioned previously, are all for 2D plate/sheet cutting and nesting. However, as I understand it, the nesting features of these products are developed with the objective to nest large quantities of parts of various shapes into a single cut program. This may be overkill for you if you're primarily nesting rectangular parts for structural wood applications.

*Expert Elite*
PaulMunford
Posts: 918
Registered: ‎11-13-2006
Message 8 of 28 (3,153 Views)

Re: Autodesk Inventor for Woodworkers - CAD CAM and nesting - What do you use?

06-10-2011 12:15 AM in reply to: rogerhaley

Roger, 

 

I'm just curious! After all - you don't know what you don't know.

 

I'm interest to find out how other woodworkers are dealing with CAD to CAM. I'm also interested to find out wheather people are using Sheet optimization or Nesting software in thier process and whether this is standalone to there CAD/CAM or whether they have found a product that will do everything at once.

 

I hope that this thread would be usful to others asking the same sort of questions.

 

Here's one more to thrown into the pot:

http://www.3danalyzersoftware.com/

 

Anyone tried this one?

The CAD Setter Out Blog @CadSetterOut

Inventor Surfacing | AutoCAD | CAD Standards
 
Please use the Mark Solutions! Accept as Solution or Give Kudos! Kudos functions - Thank you!
*Expert Elite*
scottmoyse
Posts: 1,664
Registered: ‎06-10-2009
Message 9 of 28 (3,150 Views)

Re: Autodesk Inventor for Woodworkers - CAD CAM and nesting - What do you use?

06-10-2011 02:34 AM in reply to: Stevew

Are you talking about AWFS or is that another show?

Cheers
Scott Moyse

Please use Mark Solutions!.Accept as Solution &Give Kudos!Kudos to further enhance the value of these forums. Cheers!


   

*Expert Elite*
scottmoyse
Posts: 1,664
Registered: ‎06-10-2009
Message 10 of 28 (3,139 Views)

Re: Autodesk Inventor for Woodworkers - CAD CAM and nesting - What do you use?

06-10-2011 02:46 AM in reply to: PaulMunford

PaulMunford wrote:

 

We've found that the quickest way to get the parts from Inventor into Alphcam is to lay the parts out parallel to the XY plane and create a drawing from them. The whole DWG file can then be brought in to Alphacam in one hit, ready to add Ghost tools and Machining styles before being nested up.

 


Its very sad reality that this is the quickest way to get the parts from Inventor into AlphaCAM. Have you ever been on the receiving end of those parts Paul and have to program them? Do you use nest reports and part labels as well?

 

Unfortunately MasterCAM's current solutions don't appear to help the situation either. They have been working on an add-in to handle Inventor Assemblies for a few years now, I had several very productive conversations and web sessions with the Router Dev manager a couple of years ago. It was refreshing to deal with a CAM company who cared about their customers opinions (even though we aren't a customer!) unlike AlphaCAM. I got a very similar feeling from MasterCAM as I do from Autodesk.

Cheers
Scott Moyse

Please use Mark Solutions!.Accept as Solution &Give Kudos!Kudos to further enhance the value of these forums. Cheers!


   

Need installation help?

Start with some of our most frequented solutions or visit the Installation and Licensing Forum to get help installing your software.