Autodesk, I beg of you,

[Anonymous]

Please, remove this dialogue box! Have it look at the project file to see if
there are multiple users or not.
Multi-User = off, no box.
Multi-User = on, Box.

As a single user this does nothing for me but Slow Me Down!



Thanks You,
Matt Hendey
American Mobile Power

[Anonymous]

Are you seeing this in R8? It was something that I thought was fixed.

Matt Hendey wrote:

>Please, remove this dialogue box! Have it look at the project file to see if
>there are multiple users or not.
>Multi-User = off, no box.
>Multi-User = on, Box.
>
>As a single user this does nothing for me but Slow Me Down!
>
>
>
>Thanks You,
>Matt Hendey
>American Mobile Power
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

[Anonymous]

Charles,
Look at the title of the message box in Matt's post.

I see this message also in R8.

Kirk

"Charles Bliss" wrote in message
news:342B79E9E7D1AB6FE6CB85278824837C@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Are you seeing this in R8? It was something that I thought was fixed.
>
> Matt Hendey wrote:
>
> >Please, remove this dialogue box! Have it look at the project file to see
if
> >there are multiple users or not.
> >Multi-User = off, no box.
> >Multi-User = on, Box.
> >
> >As a single user this does nothing for me but Slow Me Down!
> >
> >
> >
> >Thanks You,
> >Matt Hendey
> >American Mobile Power
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
>

[Anonymous]

Yes R8. And now it will come up sometimes, even when the file is already
open.

Some one at Autodesk has a sick sense of humor. Maybe it's the same guy that
made the DEFAULT-ANSI text style gray in R7 and earlier versions. You know,
the one that mixed his dark blue and black sock every so often.

Matt

P.S.
Autodesk, thanks for fixing the IDW view text so that it's truly black
again.

[Anonymous]

Matt and others,

This dialog actually has nothing to do with Multi-User.

What this dialog is telling you is that the assembly (or part) needs to be
updated. In other words it is 'dirty', if you open the assembly/part instead
of the drawing you will see that the lightening bolt in the assembly/part is
enabled and waiting for you to pick it.

We display this dialog because without it you have no idea that what you see
in the drawing is most likely NOT the current fully solved state of the
part/assembly the drawing is of.

For example, imagine that you open a part, change the diameter dimension on
Hole1 via the parameters dialog. When you exit the parameters dialog the
lightening bolt will come on but the part/hole will NOT automatically update
to the new dimension. Now save the part without punching the update button.

Open the drawing of that part and you will get this dialog and the drawing
geometry will reflect the "old" dimension value of the hole not the new
value you have yet to update into the body of the part. We detected that the
part was in need of an update and warned you that your drawing may not be
WYSIWYG now, compared to when the part finally gets updated.

This same thing can happen when you move components in an assembly with the
move command (they may be constrained and an update will move them) or if
you modify a part and the assembly was never opened/updated, etc.

Hope this helps explain this dialog a little better.

--
Steve Dennis
Autodesk Drawing Manager Development

"Matt Hendey" wrote in message
news:F856241F32AC24AC36E4760F48CACDCD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Please, remove this dialogue box! Have it look at the project file to see
if
> there are multiple users or not.
> Multi-User = off, no box.
> Multi-User = on, Box.
>
> As a single user this does nothing for me but Slow Me Down!
>
>
>
> Thanks You,
> Matt Hendey
> American Mobile Power
>
>


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[Anonymous]

Ok, so I open a IDW of a 5000 part IAM and I get this dialogue. Which one of
the 5000 parts is it? And, why does Inventor have to stop loading the IDW
when the only option I have is Ok? Am I supposed to end the task from Task
Manager or something? I don't see why you have to stop Inventor just to
inform me of these conditions.

Thanks,
Matt

[Anonymous]

Ok, it may not matter which of the 5000 parts needs updated. I'm assuming
Global Update would take care all the parts. I still don't understand why
Inventor has to stop loading for the dialog box.

Matt

[Anonymous]

You are right, the assembly is out of date (itself or one of it's 5000
parts).

What do you mean stop loading? The load is effectively done, hit OK and you
are ready to go.

How else can we warn you about a potentially costly state without forcing
you to look at it?

Imagine your part was out of date (designer changed a variable, etc. and
forgot to hit update).

What would happen if you detailed the drawing (while it was out of date) and
you sent that to the shop floor?
The drawing is going to be detailing the current version of the part but not
the part that will be finished when the designer comes in tomorrow and hits
update before adding it to the vault?

Would you be angry with us for allowing that to happen?

We are simply trying to bring this potentially damaging fact to your
attention.

--
Steve Dennis
Autodesk Drawing Manager Development

"Matt Hendey" wrote in message
news:D3361D0176F9344E71567FA71503A6DD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Ok, it may not matter which of the 5000 parts needs updated. I'm assuming
> Global Update would take care all the parts. I still don't understand why
> Inventor has to stop loading for the dialog box.
>
> Matt
>
>

[Anonymous]

Why force the user to update the parts? Inventor knows that it is not
"Up-to-date", Inventor should update the part. Does anyone EVER want a
drawing of an out-of-date part?

To satisfy everyone, this could be an setting under Tools>Application
Options to either automatically do the update or prompt the user the drawing
is out of date.

Another option would be to treat this message like other messages where the
user can tell Inventor how to handle the message in the future
(Tools>Application Options, Prompts tab).

"Steve Dennis (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:11D830A070ACEAA6882E531FF1DB8814@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> You are right, the assembly is out of date (itself or one of it's 5000
> parts).
>
> What do you mean stop loading? The load is effectively done, hit OK and
you
> are ready to go.
>
> How else can we warn you about a potentially costly state without forcing
> you to look at it?
>
> Imagine your part was out of date (designer changed a variable, etc. and
> forgot to hit update).
>
> What would happen if you detailed the drawing (while it was out of date)
and
> you sent that to the shop floor?
> The drawing is going to be detailing the current version of the part but
not
> the part that will be finished when the designer comes in tomorrow and
hits
> update before adding it to the vault?
>
> Would you be angry with us for allowing that to happen?
>
> We are simply trying to bring this potentially damaging fact to your
> attention.
>
> --
> Steve Dennis
> Autodesk Drawing Manager Development
>
> "Matt Hendey" wrote in message
> news:D3361D0176F9344E71567FA71503A6DD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Ok, it may not matter which of the 5000 parts needs updated. I'm
assuming
> > Global Update would take care all the parts. I still don't understand
why
> > Inventor has to stop loading for the dialog box.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

One way you could do it is if you had the button pop up but the drawing
still loads in the back ground. That way we could walk to the water cooler
and after we get back all we have to do is hit ok and the drawing is ready
to go. That way you still warn us there is a part out of date and we get the
drawing loaded so we don't have to wait to hit the ok button.

Dustin Conklin
www.powellfab.com

"Steve Dennis (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:11D830A070ACEAA6882E531FF1DB8814@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> You are right, the assembly is out of date (itself or one of it's 5000
> parts).
>
> What do you mean stop loading? The load is effectively done, hit OK and
you
> are ready to go.
>
> How else can we warn you about a potentially costly state without forcing
> you to look at it?
>
> Imagine your part was out of date (designer changed a variable, etc. and
> forgot to hit update).
>
> What would happen if you detailed the drawing (while it was out of date)
and
> you sent that to the shop floor?
> The drawing is going to be detailing the current version of the part but
not
> the part that will be finished when the designer comes in tomorrow and
hits
> update before adding it to the vault?
>
> Would you be angry with us for allowing that to happen?
>
> We are simply trying to bring this potentially damaging fact to your
> attention.
>
> --
> Steve Dennis
> Autodesk Drawing Manager Development
>
> "Matt Hendey" wrote in message
> news:D3361D0176F9344E71567FA71503A6DD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Ok, it may not matter which of the 5000 parts needs updated. I'm
assuming
> > Global Update would take care all the parts. I still don't understand
why
> > Inventor has to stop loading for the dialog box.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Am I missing something? If I don't hit Ok, Inventor stops loading the IDW
and will not continue until I hit Ok.

That's what happens on my machine anyway.

Matt

[Anonymous]

Kirk and Doug,

You both have good suggestions and we are looking at these and other
solutions.

Historically Drawings have NOT force updated the documents "below" them to
update, assemblies do this though.

We are looking at this.

--
Steve Dennis
Autodesk Drawing Manager Development

"Kirk A." wrote in message
news:0AC0C426912DD1838416A1BA87D2370B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Why force the user to update the parts? Inventor knows that it is not
> "Up-to-date", Inventor should update the part. Does anyone EVER want a
> drawing of an out-of-date part?
>
> To satisfy everyone, this could be an setting under Tools>Application
> Options to either automatically do the update or prompt the user the
drawing
> is out of date.
>
> Another option would be to treat this message like other messages where
the
> user can tell Inventor how to handle the message in the future
> (Tools>Application Options, Prompts tab).
>
> "Steve Dennis (Autodesk)" wrote in message
> news:11D830A070ACEAA6882E531FF1DB8814@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > You are right, the assembly is out of date (itself or one of it's 5000
> > parts).
> >
> > What do you mean stop loading? The load is effectively done, hit OK and
> you
> > are ready to go.
> >
> > How else can we warn you about a potentially costly state without
forcing
> > you to look at it?
> >
> > Imagine your part was out of date (designer changed a variable, etc. and
> > forgot to hit update).
> >
> > What would happen if you detailed the drawing (while it was out of date)
> and
> > you sent that to the shop floor?
> > The drawing is going to be detailing the current version of the part but
> not
> > the part that will be finished when the designer comes in tomorrow and
> hits
> > update before adding it to the vault?
> >
> > Would you be angry with us for allowing that to happen?
> >
> > We are simply trying to bring this potentially damaging fact to your
> > attention.
> >
> > --
> > Steve Dennis
> > Autodesk Drawing Manager Development
> >
> > "Matt Hendey" wrote in message
> > news:D3361D0176F9344E71567FA71503A6DD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Ok, it may not matter which of the 5000 parts needs updated. I'm
> assuming
> > > Global Update would take care all the parts. I still don't understand
> why
> > > Inventor has to stop loading for the dialog box.
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

I think there will be dancing in the streets if you get rid of that obnoxious dialog.
8^))

--
Kent
Assistant Moderator
Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program


"Steve Dennis (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:893A865BC9D9FBCFAEF17DE571D641D2@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Kirk and Doug,
>
> You both have good suggestions and we are looking at these and other
> solutions.

[Anonymous]

Hi,

Would it be acceptable if we were able to insure that we did NOT put this
dialog up until after the open and any required view updates were completed?
This would mean that the user would still see this annoying dialog, but once
hitting ok, he would be able to continue with his work immediately.

Regards,

--
Chuck Savatsky
Inventor Drawing Manager Software Development Manager
Chuck.Savatsky@Autodesk.com
"Matt Hendey" wrote in message
news:D4AD49A73F5A2BFC604293898BB872AD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Am I missing something? If I don't hit Ok, Inventor stops loading the IDW
> and will not continue until I hit Ok.
>
> That's what happens on my machine anyway.
>
> Matt
>
>

[Anonymous]

Here is the way I see it for this dialog:

1. Optimal: NEVER display the dialog. If the assembly or part is not
up-to-date when the idw is opened, update it and continue to load the idw.
2. Best :Make it so the user can either display or not display the dialog
like other prompts are.
3. Better: Display the annoying dialoge, but only after the drawing has
completely finished loading.

Another thing that I though of was what if the drawing was of a LARGE
assembly drawing that was not current? The user may want to abort loading
the idw (rather than waste the time to load an out-of-date drawing), then
open the assembly and update it. The way it is now, there is not even a way
out, just an O.K. button.


"Chuck Savatsky (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:EE3045A155083573DDEE716EBD8D0BDE@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Hi,
>
> Would it be acceptable if we were able to insure that we did NOT put this
> dialog up until after the open and any required view updates were
completed?
> This would mean that the user would still see this annoying dialog, but
once
> hitting ok, he would be able to continue with his work immediately.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Chuck Savatsky
> Inventor Drawing Manager Software Development Manager
> Chuck.Savatsky@Autodesk.com
> "Matt Hendey" wrote in message
> news:D4AD49A73F5A2BFC604293898BB872AD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Am I missing something? If I don't hit Ok, Inventor stops loading the
IDW
> > and will not continue until I hit Ok.
> >
> > That's what happens on my machine anyway.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Chuck

One of the times this drives me nuts is when I drag and drop about 30 IDW's on Inventor
and walk out of the room to do something expecting all of them loaded when I come back,
only to find the second one is sitting there with this dialog and none of the rest are
loaded.

I know it wouldn't be a fix all, but why aren't we warned when we save a file that needs
updated? In general I don't think people would save if they knew it was out of date.
My vote would be a "option" to have the save button automatically update before saving.
Then another "option" in the IDW that would cause the model to automatically update if it
needed when opening a IDW.

--
Kent
Assistant Moderator
Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program


"Chuck Savatsky (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:EE3045A155083573DDEE716EBD8D0BDE@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Hi,
>
> Would it be acceptable if we were able to insure that we did NOT put this
> dialog up until after the open and any required view updates were completed?
> This would mean that the user would still see this annoying dialog, but once
> hitting ok, he would be able to continue with his work immediately.
>
> Regards,

[Anonymous]

I agree with that. It gets on my nerves...

--
Derek Sevier
Mechanical Design Engineer
Quality Corporation
derek dot s at donkeyforklift dot com
www.donkeyforklift.com


"Kent Keller" wrote in message
news:CF3B3345DF3B2406166B18547152F00E@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Chuck
>
> One of the times this drives me nuts is when I drag and drop about 30
IDW's on Inventor
> and walk out of the room to do something expecting all of them loaded when
I come back,
> only to find the second one is sitting there with this dialog and none of
the rest are
> loaded.
>
> I know it wouldn't be a fix all, but why aren't we warned when we save a
file that needs
> updated? In general I don't think people would save if they knew it was
out of date.
> My vote would be a "option" to have the save button automatically update
before saving.
> Then another "option" in the IDW that would cause the model to
automatically update if it
> needed when opening a IDW.
>
> --
> Kent
> Assistant Moderator
> Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
>
>
> "Chuck Savatsky (Autodesk)" wrote in message
> news:EE3045A155083573DDEE716EBD8D0BDE@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Hi,
> >
> > Would it be acceptable if we were able to insure that we did NOT put
this
> > dialog up until after the open and any required view updates were
completed?
> > This would mean that the user would still see this annoying dialog, but
once
> > hitting ok, he would be able to continue with his work immediately.
> >
> > Regards,
>
>

[Anonymous]

Keep in mind Kent that an assembly can become out of date w/o ever having
been opened
if the parts/sub assemblies were changed out of context. So warning on save
would not
catch all the cases that this dialog is warning you about.

--
Steve Dennis
Autodesk Drawing Manager Development

"Kent Keller" wrote in message
news:CF3B3345DF3B2406166B18547152F00E@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Chuck
>
> One of the times this drives me nuts is when I drag and drop about 30
IDW's on Inventor
> and walk out of the room to do something expecting all of them loaded when
I come back,
> only to find the second one is sitting there with this dialog and none of
the rest are
> loaded.
>
> I know it wouldn't be a fix all, but why aren't we warned when we save a
file that needs
> updated? In general I don't think people would save if they knew it was
out of date.
> My vote would be a "option" to have the save button automatically update
before saving.
> Then another "option" in the IDW that would cause the model to
automatically update if it
> needed when opening a IDW.
>
> --
> Kent
> Assistant Moderator
> Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
>
>
> "Chuck Savatsky (Autodesk)" wrote in message
> news:EE3045A155083573DDEE716EBD8D0BDE@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Hi,
> >
> > Would it be acceptable if we were able to insure that we did NOT put
this
> > dialog up until after the open and any required view updates were
completed?
> > This would mean that the user would still see this annoying dialog, but
once
> > hitting ok, he would be able to continue with his work immediately.
> >
> > Regards,
>
>

[Anonymous]

I understand Steve. That is one of the reasons I said I know it wouldn't be a fix all and
the fix also needed to be done in the IDW. 8^) I also understand it probably isn't as
easy of a problem to fix as we think it should be.

That was one of the things that is nice about the MDT format (yes I know it has other
problems) . I had a button that updated the parts and assemblies, the scene and the
drawing. Nothing was ever out of date.

--
Kent
Assistant Moderator
Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program


"Steve Dennis (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:BBCEED594BD0CEF69BE3027948B3F062@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Keep in mind Kent that an assembly can become out of date w/o ever having
> been opened
> if the parts/sub assemblies were changed out of context. So warning on save
> would not
> catch all the cases that this dialog is warning you about.
>
> --
> Steve Dennis
> Autodesk Drawing Manager Development

[Anonymous]

Before, if a view was not precise the icon for it would be red. Since non
precise views don't exist anymore. Use the red icon to note an out of date
part or assembly.

Or, use the red cross as a log/error button. So that if it's red I can click
on it and get all the error messages there are to read.

Matt