ASSEMBLY MIRROR

[Anonymous]

Hi all,

I just tried my first assembly mirror and I don't think it is working (at
least it dosn't look like it is)

After the mirror function is complete, my parts are scattered all over and
my constraints aren't working.

I try to reconstrain the mirrored parts and the constraints (flush and
mates) won't take.

This appears to be a bug or maybe another half finished feature.

Could someone please help?

Thank you.

Mark Smith
SPX Air Gage

[Anonymous]

Works fine here.... have you migrated the file to R8? Have you
verified the constraints in your original assembly? Id is possible to
post the assembly in question to I-C-F?

Dennis

Mark Smith wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I just tried my first assembly mirror and I don't think it is working (at
>least it dosn't look like it is)
>
>After the mirror function is complete, my parts are scattered all over and
>my constraints aren't working.
>
>I try to reconstrain the mirrored parts and the constraints (flush and
>mates) won't take.
>
>This appears to be a bug or maybe another half finished feature.
>
>Could someone please help?
>
>Thank you.
>
>Mark Smith
>SPX Air Gage
>
>
>
>

--
Dennis Jeffrey
Autodesk Inventor Certified Expert
Autodesk Product Consulting and Training
Tekni Omicron - Center for Design Excellence
http://www.design-excellence.com
260-459-1311x 221 or 800-550-6070 x 221

[Anonymous]

From and earlier post of mine on the IV7 board (pre IV8 board):
--------------------------
I am trying to mirror one side of an assembly to the other. These
particular pieces are all cut out of flat sheets of metal. Because there
are no flanges or anything, none of the parts need to be mirrored
(rights/lefts), they just need to be copied and perhaps reoriented on the
other side. However, IV8 doesn't seem to be able to figure this out. If I
let the program actually create new mirrored parts, everything works as
expected. Parts are in the correct position/orientation and are properly
constrained. But, when I change from "mirrored" to "reused" parts, the
whole thing breaks down. Some parts are upside down, parts are not properly
constrained, etc.

Does anybody have any suggestions or workarounds for this problem? When I
first read about this feature, I told my boss that it would be great, IF it
worked. My fear was that it wouldn't really be useable until somewhere
around IV10.

--------------------------

Like I said above, if you let it mirror EVERYTHING, it seems to work OK.
But I had the same type of constraint issues, out of position pieces, etc.,
that you described when I tried to copy parts rather than creating a mirror.
I also discovered that if I didn't also mirror the main side sheet to which
the other parts were constrained, even mirrorring everything didn't work
very well.

Blane

[Anonymous]

I noticed the same thing.

--
Dave Hoder
Product Design Engineer
idX Seattle
www.idxcorporation.com
"Mark Smith" wrote in message
news:9733B1C3A1E39AB85DEE43B9050060F4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Hi all,
>
> I just tried my first assembly mirror and I don't think it is working (at
> least it dosn't look like it is)
>
> After the mirror function is complete, my parts are scattered all over and
> my constraints aren't working.
>
> I try to reconstrain the mirrored parts and the constraints (flush and
> mates) won't take.
>
> This appears to be a bug or maybe another half finished feature.
>
> Could someone please help?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Mark Smith
> SPX Air Gage
>
>

[Anonymous]

As a work around try setting it to "mirrored" then remove the prefix or
suffix in the naming screen.
Your result may be a little closer to you design intent.
Since some assembly constraints do not make the trip, you can use the new
"predict offset" in the place const. command to leave parts in place while
adding the assy. constraints back.
-hope this helps
Kevin
"BTBeilke" wrote in message
news:4B67B91EFCF03C2C116AE1E113C1B2A1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> From and earlier post of mine on the IV7 board (pre IV8 board):
> --------------------------
> I am trying to mirror one side of an assembly to the other. These
> particular pieces are all cut out of flat sheets of metal. Because there
> are no flanges or anything, none of the parts need to be mirrored
> (rights/lefts), they just need to be copied and perhaps reoriented on the
> other side. However, IV8 doesn't seem to be able to figure this out. If
I
> let the program actually create new mirrored parts, everything works as
> expected. Parts are in the correct position/orientation and are properly
> constrained. But, when I change from "mirrored" to "reused" parts, the
> whole thing breaks down. Some parts are upside down, parts are not
properly
> constrained, etc.
>
> Does anybody have any suggestions or workarounds for this problem? When I
> first read about this feature, I told my boss that it would be great, IF
it
> worked. My fear was that it wouldn't really be useable until somewhere
> around IV10.
>
> --------------------------
>
> Like I said above, if you let it mirror EVERYTHING, it seems to work OK.
> But I had the same type of constraint issues, out of position pieces,
etc.,
> that you described when I tried to copy parts rather than creating a
mirror.
> I also discovered that if I didn't also mirror the main side sheet to
which
> the other parts were constrained, even mirrorring everything didn't work
> very well.
>
> Blane
>
>

[Anonymous]

I've only tried it but doesn't seem to be useful for mirroring an assembly
of the same parts if you expect to see two instances of each part in the
parts list. It makes them different parts as opposed to instances of parts
and seems to remove the possibility of modeling half then mirroring it into
a single entity. Maybe it's only good for opposite-hand new parts which,
IMWO, makes the Wow! Finley! premature at least. Haven't had a chance to
merge the files in the parts list yet, so maybe there's a workaround, but I
wouldn't think real Wow's! require workarounds.
~Larry

"Dennis Jeffrey" wrote in message
news:3FD8AB3C.1050803@design-excellence.com...
> Works fine here.... have you migrated the file to R8? Have you
> verified the constraints in your original assembly? Id is possible to
> post the assembly in question to I-C-F?
>
> Dennis
>
> Mark Smith wrote:
>
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I just tried my first assembly mirror and I don't think it is working (at
> >least it dosn't look like it is)
> >
> >After the mirror function is complete, my parts are scattered all over
and
> >my constraints aren't working.
> >
> >I try to reconstrain the mirrored parts and the constraints (flush and
> >mates) won't take.
> >
> >This appears to be a bug or maybe another half finished feature.
> >
> >Could someone please help?
> >
> >Thank you.
> >
> >Mark Smith
> >SPX Air Gage
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Dennis Jeffrey
> Autodesk Inventor Certified Expert
> Autodesk Product Consulting and Training
> Tekni Omicron - Center for Design Excellence
> http://www.design-excellence.com
> 260-459-1311x 221 or 800-550-6070 x 221
>
>

[Anonymous]

Thanks all. I ended up mirroring the parts and constraining them in place.
It would be nice if the constraints were mirrored as well.

Thanks again.

Mark Smith
SPX Air Gage Co.


"Mark Smith" wrote in message
news:9733B1C3A1E39AB85DEE43B9050060F4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Hi all,
>
> I just tried my first assembly mirror and I don't think it is working (at
> least it dosn't look like it is)
>
> After the mirror function is complete, my parts are scattered all over and
> my constraints aren't working.
>
> I try to reconstrain the mirrored parts and the constraints (flush and
> mates) won't take.
>
> This appears to be a bug or maybe another half finished feature.
>
> Could someone please help?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Mark Smith
> SPX Air Gage
>
>

[Anonymous]

Larry,

Did you try cycling through to the "reuse" option? You do this by clicking
on the green button with the two arrows in the mirror dialog. The next
choice is a "+" sign, which means reuse the existing components. This will
create another instance of the original component.

Hopefully this helps.

Joe Doyle
Inventor Software Development
"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
news:23616182C3DCD7F280D0EE86B3750F6B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I've only tried it but doesn't seem to be useful for mirroring an assembly
> of the same parts if you expect to see two instances of each part in the
> parts list. It makes them different parts as opposed to instances of parts
> and seems to remove the possibility of modeling half then mirroring it
into
> a single entity. Maybe it's only good for opposite-hand new parts which,
> IMWO, makes the Wow! Finley! premature at least. Haven't had a chance to
> merge the files in the parts list yet, so maybe there's a workaround, but
I
> wouldn't think real Wow's! require workarounds.
> ~Larry
>
> "Dennis Jeffrey" wrote in message
> news:3FD8AB3C.1050803@design-excellence.com...
> > Works fine here.... have you migrated the file to R8? Have you
> > verified the constraints in your original assembly? Id is possible to
> > post the assembly in question to I-C-F?
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> > Mark Smith wrote:
> >
> > >Hi all,
> > >
> > >I just tried my first assembly mirror and I don't think it is working
(at
> > >least it dosn't look like it is)
> > >
> > >After the mirror function is complete, my parts are scattered all over
> and
> > >my constraints aren't working.
> > >
> > >I try to reconstrain the mirrored parts and the constraints (flush and
> > >mates) won't take.
> > >
> > >This appears to be a bug or maybe another half finished feature.
> > >
> > >Could someone please help?
> > >
> > >Thank you.
> > >
> > >Mark Smith
> > >SPX Air Gage
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Dennis Jeffrey
> > Autodesk Inventor Certified Expert
> > Autodesk Product Consulting and Training
> > Tekni Omicron - Center for Design Excellence
> > http://www.design-excellence.com
> > 260-459-1311x 221 or 800-550-6070 x 221
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Cool ... been in that dialog but didn't think to set it like a derive.
Thanks! ... Guess it is a Wow!
~Larry

"Joe Doyle (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:4D99EC344C6B0C2B5CE1AB098E4AC1D9@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Larry,
>
> Did you try cycling through to the "reuse" option? You do this by clicking
> on the green button with the two arrows in the mirror dialog. The next
> choice is a "+" sign, which means reuse the existing components. This will
> create another instance of the original component.
>
> Hopefully this helps.
>
> Joe Doyle
> Inventor Software Development
> "Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
> news:23616182C3DCD7F280D0EE86B3750F6B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I've only tried it but doesn't seem to be useful for mirroring an
assembly
> > of the same parts if you expect to see two instances of each part in the
> > parts list. It makes them different parts as opposed to instances of
parts
> > and seems to remove the possibility of modeling half then mirroring it
> into
> > a single entity. Maybe it's only good for opposite-hand new parts which,
> > IMWO, makes the Wow! Finley! premature at least. Haven't had a chance to
> > merge the files in the parts list yet, so maybe there's a workaround,
but
> I
> > wouldn't think real Wow's! require workarounds.
> > ~Larry
> >
> > "Dennis Jeffrey" wrote in message
> > news:3FD8AB3C.1050803@design-excellence.com...
> > > Works fine here.... have you migrated the file to R8? Have you
> > > verified the constraints in your original assembly? Id is possible to
> > > post the assembly in question to I-C-F?
> > >
> > > Dennis
> > >
> > > Mark Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hi all,
> > > >
> > > >I just tried my first assembly mirror and I don't think it is working
> (at
> > > >least it dosn't look like it is)
> > > >
> > > >After the mirror function is complete, my parts are scattered all
over
> > and
> > > >my constraints aren't working.
> > > >
> > > >I try to reconstrain the mirrored parts and the constraints (flush
and
> > > >mates) won't take.
> > > >
> > > >This appears to be a bug or maybe another half finished feature.
> > > >
> > > >Could someone please help?
> > > >
> > > >Thank you.
> > > >
> > > >Mark Smith
> > > >SPX Air Gage
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dennis Jeffrey
> > > Autodesk Inventor Certified Expert
> > > Autodesk Product Consulting and Training
> > > Tekni Omicron - Center for Design Excellence
> > > http://www.design-excellence.com
> > > 260-459-1311x 221 or 800-550-6070 x 221
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Joe,

Please read my prior message in this thread concerning the "reuse" option.
I haven't had much luck getting it to create a mirrored assembly of the
pieces I select to reuse. I basically end up having to reposition and
reconstrain most of them so it isn't any easier than just placing and
constraining additional instances of the parts I already have. Please note
that the parts I have had the most trouble with are plates that may need to
be rotated 180 degrees in 2 directions to be properly positioned.

Thanks,

Blane