Angular Constraint Bug

[Anonymous]

Just had to bring this to the front once more. I went home and tried a
direction change on an angular constraint in 5.3 and I can flip it all day
long just by changing the arrow direction....this absolutely does not work
in R7! (don't know about R6 though)
If this is not a bug then the change angular constraint direction function
must have been eliminated in R7 and they forgot to remove the buttons. As
far as I am concerned this is not a feature I can do without. If AutoDesk is
listening, is this a known bug ? is it being addressed?

In all fairness this is the first "real bug" I have seen in R7 and you guys
did a real good job over all but can I /we please have this feature back?

[Anonymous]

Like the Pink Elephant thread these three messages discussing bugs have been squashed.

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"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
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> Bug-Busters Inc.

[Anonymous]

Kent, that one was so bad that it was good.

But seriously, am I the only one that needs this feature to work? I figured
there would be people coming out of the woodwork (no pun intended) to
complain about this.

"Kent Keller" wrote in message
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> Like the Pink Elephant thread these three messages discussing bugs have
been squashed.
>
> --
> Kent
> Assistant Moderator
> Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
>
>
> "Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
> news:B01F9CCD9AEF43B24F36C8019B080A27@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Bug-Busters Inc.
>
>

[Anonymous]

Albert,

See iCF. Try to edit the angle and flip one of the arrows. It flips for
me...

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"Albert Allen" wrote in message
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> Kent, that one was so bad that it was good.
>
> But seriously, am I the only one that needs this feature to work? I
figured
> there would be people coming out of the woodwork (no pun intended) to
> complain about this.
>
> "Kent Keller" wrote in message
> news:D369D5C01E8B91B404418B5CAE84C9FE@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Like the Pink Elephant thread these three messages discussing bugs have
> been squashed.
> >
> > --
> > Kent
> > Assistant Moderator
> > Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
> >
> >
> > "Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
> > news:B01F9CCD9AEF43B24F36C8019B080A27@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Bug-Busters Inc.
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Hey Sean, try it on two round shafts with the cl's aligned then change the
angle direction (use something that has a flange on the end so you can tell
whether it flips)...betcha it doesn't work. now try that same thing in R5.3
(it works) and maybe in R6 too but don't know for sure.


"Sean Dotson" wrote in message
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> Albert,
>
> See iCF. Try to edit the angle and flip one of the arrows. It flips for
> me...
>
> --
> Sean Dotson, PE
> http://www.sdotson.com
> Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
> www.sdotson.com/faq.html
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> "Albert Allen" wrote in message
> news:08FB31AF2A41E26B640174255FDCE95B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Kent, that one was so bad that it was good.
> >
> > But seriously, am I the only one that needs this feature to work? I
> figured
> > there would be people coming out of the woodwork (no pun intended) to
> > complain about this.
> >
> > "Kent Keller" wrote in message
> > news:D369D5C01E8B91B404418B5CAE84C9FE@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Like the Pink Elephant thread these three messages discussing bugs
have
> > been squashed.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kent
> > > Assistant Moderator
> > > Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
> > >
> > >
> > > "Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
> > > news:B01F9CCD9AEF43B24F36C8019B080A27@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > Bug-Busters Inc.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

I have found that if you place your angle constraint between two round
shafts (forgot to mention it's only on round shafts) and if you change the
direction before you actually pick the 2nd part then you (sometimes) are
able to get one direction change before it doesn't work anymore. Sorry about
the anality but I need this to work.
"Albert Allen" wrote in message
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> Just had to bring this to the front once more. I went home and tried a
> direction change on an angular constraint in 5.3 and I can flip it all day
> long just by changing the arrow direction....this absolutely does not work
> in R7! (don't know about R6 though)
> If this is not a bug then the change angular constraint direction function
> must have been eliminated in R7 and they forgot to remove the buttons. As
> far as I am concerned this is not a feature I can do without. If AutoDesk
is
> listening, is this a known bug ? is it being addressed?
>
> In all fairness this is the first "real bug" I have seen in R7 and you
guys
> did a real good job over all but can I /we please have this feature back?
>
>

[Anonymous]

Albert:

Just out of curiosity, Have you tried applying the constraints between
the construction axes?

For example, if the round shafts are symmetrical about the X axis in
each case, does your problem still exist?

Richard

Albert Allen wrote:
> I have found that if you place your angle constraint between two round
> shafts (forgot to mention it's only on round shafts) and if you change the
> direction before you actually pick the 2nd part then you (sometimes) are
> able to get one direction change before it doesn't work anymore. Sorry about
> the anality but I need this to work.
> "Albert Allen" wrote in message
> news:CFE03A44EB6C3A13E483F719CEC06A19@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
>
>>Just had to bring this to the front once more. I went home and tried a
>>direction change on an angular constraint in 5.3 and I can flip it all day
>>long just by changing the arrow direction....this absolutely does not work
>>in R7! (don't know about R6 though)
>>If this is not a bug then the change angular constraint direction function
>>must have been eliminated in R7 and they forgot to remove the buttons. As
>>far as I am concerned this is not a feature I can do without. If AutoDesk
>
> is
>
>>listening, is this a known bug ? is it being addressed?
>>
>>In all fairness this is the first "real bug" I have seen in R7 and you
>
> guys
>
>>did a real good job over all but can I /we please have this feature back?
>>
>>
>
>
>

[Anonymous]

Yes, if the axis' of the shafts are angularly constrained at 0° I am not
able to flip the direction, the arrow shows the reverse direction but the
parts do not reverse their alignment. This problem exists on all three of
our machines which are all different so this is not a "hardware" problem.
I guess no one else uses an angular constraint between two shaft axis' where
they need to flip the direction.



"Richard Hinterhoeller" wrote in message
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> Albert:
>
> Just out of curiosity, Have you tried applying the constraints between
> the construction axes?
>
> For example, if the round shafts are symmetrical about the X axis in
> each case, does your problem still exist?
>
> Richard
>
> Albert Allen wrote:
> > I have found that if you place your angle constraint between two round
> > shafts (forgot to mention it's only on round shafts) and if you change
the
> > direction before you actually pick the 2nd part then you (sometimes) are
> > able to get one direction change before it doesn't work anymore. Sorry
about
> > the anality but I need this to work.
> > "Albert Allen" wrote in message
> > news:CFE03A44EB6C3A13E483F719CEC06A19@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> >
> >>Just had to bring this to the front once more. I went home and tried a
> >>direction change on an angular constraint in 5.3 and I can flip it all
day
> >>long just by changing the arrow direction....this absolutely does not
work
> >>in R7! (don't know about R6 though)
> >>If this is not a bug then the change angular constraint direction
function
> >>must have been eliminated in R7 and they forgot to remove the buttons.
As
> >>far as I am concerned this is not a feature I can do without. If
AutoDesk
> >
> > is
> >
> >>listening, is this a known bug ? is it being addressed?
> >>
> >>In all fairness this is the first "real bug" I have seen in R7 and you
> >
> > guys
> >
> >>did a real good job over all but can I /we please have this feature
back?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

[Anonymous]

Or how about between two origin planes of the rods. I haven't tried it but
I suspect if these is a problem it's due to the fact that the axes can spin
and flip. The planes should not allow this.

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"Richard Hinterhoeller" wrote in message
news:3EC29649.2040302@hfx.eastlink.ca...
> Albert:
>
> Just out of curiosity, Have you tried applying the constraints between
> the construction axes?
>
> For example, if the round shafts are symmetrical about the X axis in
> each case, does your problem still exist?
>
> Richard
>
> Albert Allen wrote:
> > I have found that if you place your angle constraint between two round
> > shafts (forgot to mention it's only on round shafts) and if you change
the
> > direction before you actually pick the 2nd part then you (sometimes) are
> > able to get one direction change before it doesn't work anymore. Sorry
about
> > the anality but I need this to work.
> > "Albert Allen" wrote in message
> > news:CFE03A44EB6C3A13E483F719CEC06A19@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> >
> >>Just had to bring this to the front once more. I went home and tried a
> >>direction change on an angular constraint in 5.3 and I can flip it all
day
> >>long just by changing the arrow direction....this absolutely does not
work
> >>in R7! (don't know about R6 though)
> >>If this is not a bug then the change angular constraint direction
function
> >>must have been eliminated in R7 and they forgot to remove the buttons.
As
> >>far as I am concerned this is not a feature I can do without. If
AutoDesk
> >
> > is
> >
> >>listening, is this a known bug ? is it being addressed?
> >>
> >>In all fairness this is the first "real bug" I have seen in R7 and you
> >
> > guys
> >
> >>did a real good job over all but can I /we please have this feature
back?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

[Anonymous]

I have not tried it either Sean but I am sure that it would work.
The bottom line is I have used the angular constraint this way in the other
versions with no problems many, many times and have lots of assy's with
things constrained like this, so now all of the sudden I need to start
aligning my shaft axis' to the origin planes to get them to line up at the
direction I want? If this way of aligning does not work this way any more
does this mean that all my assy's that have constraints like these in will
be unstable?
I have already read some posts where folks have had there angular
constraints flip on them, I wonder if this could be the cause?




"Sean Dotson" wrote in message
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> Or how about between two origin planes of the rods. I haven't tried it
but
> I suspect if these is a problem it's due to the fact that the axes can
spin
> and flip. The planes should not allow this.

[Anonymous]

Albert,

I experience this too except I have an ABS sensor (shaft) and a mounting
block (hole) that have mate constraints on thier centerlines. The sensor
has a cord that comes out perpendicular to the body, so I need to orient it
it the proper direction. I do this by placing a 0° angular constraint on a
face of the sensor and on the XY plane of the block. When I flip the
direction, the arrow flips but not the sensor. I have to delete or supress
the constraint, orient the sensor somewhat close to how I want it, and then
add or unsupress the constraint. Anyway, it's not just 2 shafts.
Apparently it happens with other geometries too.

Mike

"Albert Allen" wrote in message
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> I have found that if you place your angle constraint between two round
> shafts (forgot to mention it's only on round shafts) and if you change the
> direction before you actually pick the 2nd part then you (sometimes) are
> able to get one direction change before it doesn't work anymore. Sorry
about
> the anality but I need this to work.

[Anonymous]

Mike, at least I am not imagining this but I guess there are not enough
people who use this constraint to warrant a fix or even acknowledgement of a
problem by AutoDesk so I guess I will stop beating the dead horse...(for now
anyway)

"mpower" wrote in message
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> Albert,
>
> I experience this too except I have an ABS sensor (shaft) and a mounting
> block (hole) that have mate constraints on thier centerlines. The sensor
> has a cord that comes out perpendicular to the body, so I need to orient
it
> it the proper direction. I do this by placing a 0° angular constraint on
a
> face of the sensor and on the XY plane of the block. When I flip the
> direction, the arrow flips but not the sensor. I have to delete or
supress
> the constraint, orient the sensor somewhat close to how I want it, and
then
> add or unsupress the constraint. Anyway, it's not just 2 shafts.
> Apparently it happens with other geometries too.
>
> Mike
>

[Anonymous]

I use it Albert, but probably not as often as you. It would be nice to get
it working, I agree. It's an ease-of-use issue I would guess.
BTW ... are you sure that horse you've flogging is really dead?
~Larry

"Albert Allen" wrote in message
news:27A2C823D558A00033D65993F85DE3B1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Mike, at least I am not imagining this but I guess there are not enough
> people who use this constraint to warrant a fix or even acknowledgement of
a
> problem by AutoDesk so I guess I will stop beating the dead horse...(for
now
> anyway)
>
> "mpower" wrote in message
> news:0B4698F13C79E27E9F5897DA8C1A5F1C@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Albert,
> >
> > I experience this too except I have an ABS sensor (shaft) and a mounting
> > block (hole) that have mate constraints on thier centerlines. The
sensor
> > has a cord that comes out perpendicular to the body, so I need to orient
> it
> > it the proper direction. I do this by placing a 0° angular constraint
on
> a
> > face of the sensor and on the XY plane of the block. When I flip the
> > direction, the arrow flips but not the sensor. I have to delete or
> supress
> > the constraint, orient the sensor somewhat close to how I want it, and
> then
> > add or unsupress the constraint. Anyway, it's not just 2 shafts.
> > Apparently it happens with other geometries too.
> >
> > Mike
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

He had better be because I have had horse steaks every day this week!

Take that all you "neigh" sayers


> BTW ... are you sure that horse you've flogging is really dead?
> ~Larry