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BMiller63
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2011 Frame Generator Custom Notch Profiles

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05-09-2010 03:49 PM
Has anyone tried to author notch profiles in the structural members for 2011?
The what's new states:
>Publish Notch Profiles
>The Notch command is enhanced so that you can define and reuse frame cross-sections. This is particularly >helpful when you need a minimal gap between two connected frames.
>You can sketch a notch profile, extrude it, convert it to an iPart, and author and publish the iPart to Content >Center. Then you can apply the notch to cut another frame during the Notch process.
But it doesn't give much more than that. So far my attempts to figure this out have not been fruitful. I was just curious if anyone has an example or a tip.
Thanks in advance.
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Re: 2011 Frame Generator Custom Notch Profiles

06-07-2010 01:48 PM in reply to: BMiller63

just a bump for this to see if anyone has looked at this since I first posed the question.

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Re: 2011 Frame Generator Custom Notch Profiles

06-07-2010 02:04 PM in reply to: BMiller63

Yes, when you are doing the Structural Shape Authoring you can have two seperate profiles.  One is the standard you use for creating the Structural Steel piece and the other is a Notch profile which you create in that same file.  From there you author normally and when you have to use it just use the Notch command and for members that have it the radio button will appear to use the custom notch profile.

Mark Flayler - Senior Application Engineer
IMAGINiT's Manufacturing Solutions Blog:
http://blogs.rand.com/manufacturing/
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Re: 2011 Frame Generator Custom Notch Profiles

06-07-2010 02:09 PM in reply to: Mark_Flayler

Thanks for the reply Mark, but it isn't much more than what can be found in the what's new or the help files.

Have you tried this?

Have you been successful with this?

Can you provide an example that I can follow along with?

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Mark_Flayler
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Re: 2011 Frame Generator Custom Notch Profiles

06-07-2010 02:18 PM in reply to: BMiller63

I'll see about getting a blog post together for it tomorrow.  I have some files I used to create the first document on this before.

Mark Flayler - Senior Application Engineer
IMAGINiT's Manufacturing Solutions Blog:
http://blogs.rand.com/manufacturing/
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Re: 2011 Frame Generator Custom Notch Profiles

06-07-2010 02:19 PM in reply to: Mark_Flayler

Thanks Mark.

No hurry.

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Mark_Flayler
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Re: 2011 Frame Generator Custom Notch Profiles

06-08-2010 08:00 AM in reply to: BMiller63

Here is a short video and some screen grabs as well as my original white paper I did about a year and a half ago on this subject.  (White paper is before notching profiles were added to the software but contains important steps and tips)

 

http://blogs.rand.com/manufacturing/2010/06/inventor-tips-and-tricks-structural-shape-authoring-notc...

Mark Flayler - Senior Application Engineer
IMAGINiT's Manufacturing Solutions Blog:
http://blogs.rand.com/manufacturing/
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Re: 2011 Frame Generator Custom Notch Profiles

06-08-2010 08:08 AM in reply to: Mark_Flayler

Thanks Mark!

Your explination of this is a big help.

Unfortuantly, I think AD has missed the boat on this notch thing still! There seems to be a real lack of understanding concerning the type of notches that would be typically used for structural frames.

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mbaker
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Message 9 of 9 (394 Views)

Re: 2011 Frame Generator Custom Notch Profiles

02-06-2013 08:27 AM in reply to: BMiller63

I have been attempting to find a real practical reason to use this, and I must be frank this is a terrible implementation of structural steel notching. First user are required to make a unique special part, and if they do not know what the notch is going to look like until after they have completed a design it is useless. Second building a notch in a structural shape should not be part of the beam it should be a tool or function that is applied to a specific beam after initial placement and design, the method currently in the product is not under any definition a top down approach to design, again a terrible implementation, and not useable in the a real working environment.

 

Sorry guys, just My $0.02 worth.

 

MB

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