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Automatic check of Inventor design (perspectives of IDC etc.)

Maxim-CADman77
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Automatic check of Inventor design (perspectives of IDC etc.)

Maxim-CADman77
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Foreword:

I don’t feel like posting here will improve things (have too much experience of the opposite – existing issues are ignored by Autodesk for years). Anyway, I won’t repeat. For those interested - see my most recent posts (especially in Vault General discussions).

 

This thread is for those interested in discussing perspectives of automatic check of Inventor design via Inventor Design Checker (referenced below as «IDC») - «Subscribers only»* add-in for Autodesk Inventor.

I personally found it ineffective to IDC-feedback the default way (through e-mail).

I also want to get point of view of people like me (potential customers).

 

The whole idea of automatic checking Inventor design is great and… not new.

Several years ago we developed a bunch of iLogic checks for “i CHECK IT” (software kit by Tata Technologies company). However, due to several cons of “i CHECK IT” it was not implemented widely here. Yet it have some limited usage in our company and does it job satisfactory.

 

Of course when IDC was released we tested it as competing software (even so functionality does differ).

 

Alas!

Current IDC is too rought/buggy to be implemented in commercial companies.

 

Below I’ll post issues we’ve faced during testing the 1.0.5 version of IDC within Inventor 2014 (build 246) and short description of why we consider each issue critical.

 

* IDC seems to be highly under-tested and it’s «Subscribers only» status makes things even worst.

What supposed to be the privilege turns out a kind of curse (only those who payed is granted to face all the issues).

My feelings: high disappointment regarding wasted time – nothing to implement yet lots of work done (no profit for my main job which is CAD management and not testing … which is usually payed separately, and sometimes higher then coding).

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Maxim-CADman77
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A.CRITICAL (changes the whole default workflow) Force unnecessary update of Configuration Factory during generation Members (IPT for sure, IAM - possibly)

Steps to reproduce:

0. Download and install official Inventor Sample Files (https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/inventor-products/downloads/caas/downloads/content/inventor-s...

  1. Run Inventor, activate Samples.ipj, activate LiveCheck IDC-option
  2. Delete folder C:\Users\Public\Documents\Autodesk\Inventor 2014\Samples\Models\Assemblies\Engine MKII\Flywheel
  3. Open C:\Users\Public\Documents\Autodesk\Inventor 2014\Samples\Models\Assemblies\Engine MKII\Flywheel.IAM (configuration factory, IAM)
  4. Initiate saving the factory.
  5. Expand «Table» node in model browser. Choose all three members and run «Generate Files» context-command
  6. Witness «Failed to create member. Factory must be saved» message ??!

Sorry, which factory meant? Ok. Let’s simplify the task (close the IAM factory):

 

7. Delete folder C:\Users\Public\Documents\Autodesk\Inventor 2014\Samples\Models\Assemblies\Engine MKII\Components\Flywheel\

8. Open C:\Users\Public\Documents\Autodesk\Inventor 2014\Samples\Models\Assemblies\Engine MKII\Components\Flywheel.IPT (configuration factory, IPT)

9. Initiate saving the factory.

10. Expand «Table» node in model browser. Choose all three members and run «Generate Files» context-command

11. Witness “Do you want to save changes to «2 Shoe Flywheel.IPT» and … Flywheel.IPT“ ??!

12. Ok. Let it go – Accept and witness “Do you want to save changes to «3 Shoe Flywheel.IPT» and … Flywheel.IPT“ ??!!

 

Neither of 6 and 11 you’ll get with IDC unloaded. Thus IDC changes factory on save of each member.

As a result all members (but the latest generated) got dated earlier then factory they generated on.

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Issue B. CRITICAL (missed check) IDC doesn’t check 3Dmodels with iMate

Steps to reproduce:

0.Download and install official Inventor Sample Files (https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/inventor-products/downloads/caas/downloads/content/inventor-s...)

  1. Run Inventor, activate Samples.ipj, activate LiveCheck IDC-option
  2. Open C:\Users\Public\Documents\Autodesk\Inventor 2014\Samples\Standard Parts\en-US\UNI 5933\UNI 5933 - M4 x 12.ipt (any 3Dmodel with iMate)
  3. Switch browser mode to IDC, press «Execute» Button from IDC tab/panel – Witness no results in either of two folders (Passed and Failed) ??!
  4. Make editable copy of the model and open it. For example save copy in non-CCF folder ex. in …\Samples\Models.
  5. Switch browser mode to «Model» Expand «iMates» node in model browser. Choose all three iMates and call «Delete» context-command («Suppress» command does not help)
  6. Repeat step 3 – Witness some results!!!

(I haven’t tested how IDC behave on IAM with iMate)

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Maxim-CADman77
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Issue C: CRITICAL (danger of missing fails) "VLDS_TimeStamp" iProp does not contain the Time (only Date)

I personally found no any reference to four iProperties with names starting «VLDS_» (? VaLiDuS ?) which IDC generates in IDC help (oops!).

To my mind those are coded summary of checking:

  • VLDS_AcceptCnt - counter of «Acknowledge Fails»    
  • VLDS_FailCnt - counter of Fails
  • VLDS_Profile - profile name
  • VLDS_Timestamp – date when check was performed

The idea to have such summary is great but current format of “VLDS_Timestamp” spoils it completely. Now it contains only date. But one file could be changed several times within the date.

Let’s imagine User1 with IDC enabled has checked-in some “no fails” file to the Vault with.

Let say User2 (with no or disabled IDC) has edited the file within that same date and introduced some fail edit.

Currently there is no chances to reveal this by iProperties values…

 

IMHO “VLDS_Timestamp” should contain not only date but also Time. Then before passing document to production one could compare “VLDS_Timestamp” value with document’s Modified timestamp and understand that document needs checking.

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Maxim-CADman77
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Issue 😧 CRITICAL (danger of missing fail with LiveCheck enabled) Insufficient LiveCheck-notification regarding fail Custom checks triggered on Save

Steps to reproduce:

  1. Add some Custom check (ex. C:\Users\All Users\Autodesk\ApplicationPlugins\Autodesk Design Checker.bundle\Contents\Windows\iLogic\Fillet Size.iLogicVb*) in IDC’s «Default Part» profile with «Save File» trigger (see help) add it to either of two existing groups and enable LiveCheck option
  2. Open some IPT file that have had no fails before step 1 and add Fillet feature with size value «0.0001» (fail criteria), rename the feature to “Fillet” (delete ending numeric index)
  3. Initiate close file command and accept save request.I’d rather say trigger should be “Before File Save” and there should be some extra action like notification “The document you attempts to save does have fail. Are you sure you still want to save it?” (IDC indicators should be refreshed). Witness no red sectors on indicators and no interface warnings i.e. LiveCheck doesn’t warn user about failure in such scenario (even so custom iProperty “VLDS_FailCnt” got value «1»).

* To make check sufficien with “Save File” trigger replace line  

feat = Feature.InventorFeature(featName)

      With

feat = Feature.InventorFeature("Fillet")

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Maxim-CADman77
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Issue E: No CAD-manger control over «Acknowledge fail» function

Allowing user to skip particular checking could in some workflows be useful but the feature should be on strict CAD-managers control (some checks should not be skipped in any way) otherwise some designers would mark all fails with it.

IMHO each check should contain some extra flag in Profile (something like “Acknowledge Fail applicable” with “False” value by default).

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Maxim-CADman77
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Issue F: "English only" interface

Add-ons for multi-language software is supposed to be multi-language (at least in descriptive part).

Most designers in our company don’t use English on daily basis and fill comfortable with other language.

 

Inability to have IDC localized will force customers either create their own add-ins (localized interface) or at least disable build-in checks and create alike custom checks with tooltip messages on preferred language (our custom checks now have bi-lingual messages).

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Maxim-CADman77
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Issue H. Unusable "Detect Broken Assembly Constraint​s" built-in check

    
Built-in check "Detect Broken Assembly Constraints" seems useless and inconsistent

1. Supressed constraint are added to failed with tooltip "constraint error". But why? It is normal practice to have different constraints supressed in different positional Reps. 

2. Several entries like "Custom:#" (where # is some number) are present in a Failed folder with tooltip "Broken conatraint".
Most misleading that it showed even after deleting all components but one (means no constraints are left in assy).

But even if there be any then I never heard anything about "Сustom" type  of assembly constraint.

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YuhanZhang
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If you turn on the Enable LiveCheck option, the Design Checker will save the check results to the document so the document will be dirty. If you don't want to do live check for every and each opened document, you can turn off the Enable LiveCheck, then it won't dirty document. Hope this explains.



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Rocky Zhang
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YuhanZhang
Autodesk
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Hi Maxim,

 

Sorry for late response. The apps on Apps Exchange are published by different publishers from in and out of Autodesk, and usually the publisher will provide technical support for his/her own apps, so direct mail communication is now a proper way to send feedback to the publishers and get support from them. I will look through all your feedback here and see what we can fix, and what we can enhance, and will get back to you soon.



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Rocky Zhang
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Maxim-CADman77
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This comment does NOT fit logically to the issue H (even so subject comlies).
Please clarify was it about unnecessar​y update of Configurat​ion Factory (issue A) or some other issue (which one)?

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Maxim-CADman77
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Seems like IAM being open in any but Master LOD can't be checked by custom checks, right?

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Maxim-CADman77
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Any progress yet?

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Maxim-CADman77
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Issue J. CRITICAL (missed check) IDC doesn’t check 3Dmodels (IPT) with "Projected Loop" in sketch. 

PS: I haven't try to check IAM with projected loop.

 

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Anonymous
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It is a year later, any progress?

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Maxim-CADman77
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«Almost yes» - author have released IDC version compatible with new Inventor release and … containing all the above-described issues.
Typical Autodesk-style job.

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Ruffy85
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Hi,

 

The Report Functionality is not working. Any ideas?

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Maxim-CADman77
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Sorry for delayed answer (forum does not send mail notifications nowadays).

Does your phrase "The Report Functionality is not working. Any ideas?" relate to Inventor Design Checker app? 

 

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YuhanZhang
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Did you install the ReportViewer.exe which is located in the folder below(after installing the app):

 

C:\ProgramData\Autodesk\ApplicationPlugins\Autodesk Design Checker.bundle\Contents\ReportViewer\

 

You can also find the info from the readme of the app:

 

https://apps.autodesk.com/INVNTOR/en/Detail/HelpDoc?appId=9061247151473406095&appLang=en&os=Win32_64

 

Hope this helps.



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We use Quantcast to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Quantcast. Ads are based on both Quantcast data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Quantcast has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Quantcast to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Quantcast Privacy Policy
Call Tracking
We use Call Tracking to provide customized phone numbers for our campaigns. This gives you faster access to our agents and helps us more accurately evaluate our performance. We may collect data about your behavior on our sites based on the phone number provided. Call Tracking Privacy Policy
Wunderkind
We use Wunderkind to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Wunderkind. Ads are based on both Wunderkind data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Wunderkind has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Wunderkind to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Wunderkind Privacy Policy
ADC Media
We use ADC Media to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by ADC Media. Ads are based on both ADC Media data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that ADC Media has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to ADC Media to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. ADC Media Privacy Policy
AgrantSEM
We use AgrantSEM to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by AgrantSEM. Ads are based on both AgrantSEM data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that AgrantSEM has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to AgrantSEM to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. AgrantSEM Privacy Policy
Bidtellect
We use Bidtellect to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Bidtellect. Ads are based on both Bidtellect data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Bidtellect has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Bidtellect to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Bidtellect Privacy Policy
Bing
We use Bing to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Bing. Ads are based on both Bing data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Bing has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Bing to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Bing Privacy Policy
G2Crowd
We use G2Crowd to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by G2Crowd. Ads are based on both G2Crowd data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that G2Crowd has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to G2Crowd to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. G2Crowd Privacy Policy
NMPI Display
We use NMPI Display to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by NMPI Display. Ads are based on both NMPI Display data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that NMPI Display has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to NMPI Display to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. NMPI Display Privacy Policy
VK
We use VK to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by VK. Ads are based on both VK data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that VK has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to VK to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. VK Privacy Policy
Adobe Target
We use Adobe Target to test new features on our sites and customize your experience of these features. To do this, we collect behavioral data while you’re on our sites. This data may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, your IP address or device ID, your Autodesk ID, and others. You may experience a different version of our sites based on feature testing, or view personalized content based on your visitor attributes. Adobe Target Privacy Policy
Google Analytics (Advertising)
We use Google Analytics (Advertising) to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Google Analytics (Advertising). Ads are based on both Google Analytics (Advertising) data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Google Analytics (Advertising) has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Google Analytics (Advertising) to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Google Analytics (Advertising) Privacy Policy
Trendkite
We use Trendkite to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Trendkite. Ads are based on both Trendkite data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Trendkite has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Trendkite to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Trendkite Privacy Policy
Hotjar
We use Hotjar to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Hotjar. Ads are based on both Hotjar data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Hotjar has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Hotjar to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Hotjar Privacy Policy
6 Sense
We use 6 Sense to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by 6 Sense. Ads are based on both 6 Sense data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that 6 Sense has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to 6 Sense to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. 6 Sense Privacy Policy
Terminus
We use Terminus to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Terminus. Ads are based on both Terminus data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Terminus has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Terminus to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Terminus Privacy Policy
StackAdapt
We use StackAdapt to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by StackAdapt. Ads are based on both StackAdapt data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that StackAdapt has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to StackAdapt to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. StackAdapt Privacy Policy
The Trade Desk
We use The Trade Desk to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by The Trade Desk. Ads are based on both The Trade Desk data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that The Trade Desk has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to The Trade Desk to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. The Trade Desk Privacy Policy
RollWorks
We use RollWorks to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by RollWorks. Ads are based on both RollWorks data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that RollWorks has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to RollWorks to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. RollWorks Privacy Policy

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