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Unable to save drawing?

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jeffva
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Unable to save drawing?

I'm using AutoCAD 2000 on an SBS 2000 network. My workstation is a win '98 and I'm trying to find out why I sometimes have issues saving drawings up to the netowork. I now there are some issues of losing permissions on the network (verified this with MiscroSoft) but this time all my mapped drives are OK and other applications can save. The message that I recieved from AutoCad is:

Unable to save to drawing x:\Cad Files\2524 as it is being accessed by another session. Drawing saved to x:\Cad Files\sav27ba9.ac$.

I have had this error in the past and assumed that it was a network problem. It is odd however because if someone else is trying to access the same drawing they would be forced to open it as read only?
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Message 2 of 9
Anonymous
in reply to: jeffva

Hi Jeff -

This is a topic that's been discussed quite a bit in this news groups.
The following information is copied from an old post:

(snipmode=1)
Read-only problems: Read-only's are generally related to timing issues
between the server and the client.
The basics of the AutoCAD save procedure is:
1. AutoCAD verifies the file lock that it created previously (either at file
open or on last save)
2. AutoCAD creates a new temporary file, and locks it. The current drawing
information is written to the temporary drawing.
3. AutoCAD deletes the .bak file.
4. AutoCAD sends a remove lock request for the original .dwg.
5. AutoCAD tries to rename the .dwg to a .bak. General problem location:
Usually when a read only occurs the server has not
completed the remove lock request. The rename is then treated as a sharing
violation and the rename request is denied by the
server.
6. AutoCAD unlocks the temporary drawing.
7. AutoCAD renames the temporary drawing to the original drawing name. The
read only problem can occur here as well, as if the file
lock is not removed before the rename request is made, there is a sharing
violation and the rename request is denied.
8. AutoCAD then re-locks the original drawing name.

Things that can cause these problems are as follows:
Very fast workstations and a "slow" server.
Network saturation
Excess server workload
Virus protection on the client
Virus protection on the server
"Misbehaving" network drivers on the client or on the server.
Bruce McCallum indicates updating his video drivers solved a problem that he
was having with this, which doesn't make much sense,
but as dependant as AutoCAD is on the video interface, is a possible
candidate.

This problem isn't necessarily an AutoDesk problem
retardant suit>, but a network timing issue. The fix for
this problem is illusive and sometimes expensive (new servers, additional
servers, faster networks, more isolated (switched)
networks, etc). Autodesk people that I have spoken to have indicated that
every time that they've seen this (actually seen it, at a
customer site) the solution was to increase client to server throughput.
Without fail, that's been the solution. The problem is more
evident with AutoCAD, because of the complicated write. There are more
chances for things to fail with so many file locks, un-locks,
and renames. Autodesk's file write method is completely compliant with
Microsoft's API requirements, but when the server doesn't
respond within the designated period, the write fails (actually the rename
fails) and the user is left with a temp file.
(snipmode=0)

hth

jason martin


"jeffva" wrote in message
news:f0fe21d.-1@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I'm using AutoCAD 2000 on an SBS 2000 network. My workstation is a win '98
and I'm trying to find out why I sometimes have issues saving drawings up to
the netowork. I now there are some issues of losing permissions on the
network (verified this with MiscroSoft) but this time all my mapped drives
are OK and other applications can save. The message that I recieved from
AutoCad is:
> Unable to save to drawing x:\Cad Files\2524 as it is being accessed by
another session. Drawing saved to x:\Cad Files\sav27ba9.ac$.
>
> I have had this error in the past and assumed that it was a network
problem. It is odd however because if someone else is trying to access the
same drawing they would be forced to open it as read only?
>
>
Message 3 of 9
Anonymous
in reply to: jeffva

Hello All:

We've recently run into what seems to be the same problem under discussion here. We're a small office (6 stations) on a simple MS network running AutoCAD 2002. Most of my workstations are running Windows 2000 professional although one's running XP.

One thing that we've noticed is that we didn't have (at least not on a rugular basis) the problem until we began working with files from client using Architectural Desktop. It's not the Object Enablers...I checked that both ways.

What are you folks running in terms of "Desktop Extensions"?

Mark Ash
mash@archworkspc.com
Message 4 of 9
egroskopfs
in reply to: jeffva

I have seen many postings but none that are recent - we are using ACAD 2002 and a Windows 2000 network and experiencing the same problem. The error does not occur on all machines and not consistently on the machines that it does occur on. I have not seen a definitive answer. Any ideas?
Message 5 of 9
Anonymous
in reply to: jeffva

We have experienced that, too, on occasion. It seems to coincide with network problems for us, since our files on the server and we are saving across the network. If it happens a lot, there may be a problem somewhere in your network? "ernieg" wrote in message news:3097870.1075124048820.JavaMail.jive@jiveforum2.autodesk.com... > I have seen many postings but none that are recent - we are using ACAD 2002 and a Windows 2000 network and experiencing the same problem. The error does not occur on all machines and not consistently on the machines that it does occur on. I have not seen a definitive answer. Any ideas?
Message 6 of 9
kyadesigngroup
in reply to: jeffva

Besides the obvious to upgrade the server or networking, for now is there a quick fix to remove the lock? I'm aware of removing the .dwk but I can't seem to find it. Is there an alternative solution?

I've just recently upgraded the file server; OS is SBS 2003; running AC 2000i; workstations running on Windows XP Pro-SP3.

rich
Message 7 of 9
Anonymous
in reply to: jeffva


Hi,

 

- AutoCAD 200i requirements :


 

-Other version of Autodesk product on the
network?

 

- A post found by google :

"Read-only problems: Read-only's are generally related to
timing issues between the server and the client.
The basics of the AutoCAD
save procedure is:
1. AutoCAD verifies the file lock that it created
previously (either at file open or on last save)
2. AutoCAD creates a new
temporary file, and locks it. The current drawing information is written to the
temporary drawing.
3. AutoCAD deletes the .bak file.
4. AutoCAD sends a
remove lock request for the original .dwg.
5. AutoCAD tries to rename the
.dwg to a .bak. General problem location: Usually when a read only occurs the
server has not completed the remove lock request. The rename is then treated as
a sharing violation and the rename request is denied by the server.
6.
AutoCAD unlocks the temporary drawing.
7. AutoCAD renames the temporary
drawing to the original drawing name. The read only problem can occur here as
well, as if the file lock is not removed before the rename request is made,
there is a sharing violation and the rename request is denied.
8. AutoCAD
then re-locks the original drawing name.
Things that can cause these
problems are as follows:
Very fast workstations and a "slow"
server.
Network saturation
Excess server workload
Virus protection on
the client
Virus protection on the server
"Misbehaving" network drivers on
the client or on the server.
Bruce McCallum indicates updating his video
drivers solved a problem that he was having with this, which doesn't make much
sense, but as dependant as AutoCAD is on the video interface, is a possible
candidate.
This problem isn't necessarily an Autodesk problem , but a network
timing issue. The fix for
this problem is illusive and sometimes expensive
(new servers, additional servers, faster networks, more isolated (switched)
networks, etc). Autodesk people that I have spoken to have indicated that every
time that they've seen this (actually seen it, at a customer site) the solution
was to increase client to server throughput. Without fail, that's been the
solution. The problem is more evident with AutoCAD, because of the complicated
write. There are more chances for things to fail with so many file locks,
un-locks, and renames. Autodesk's file write method is completely compliant with
Microsoft's API requirements, but when the server doesn't respond within the
designated period, the write fails (actually the rename fails) and the user is
left with a temp file."

Franck Hervet


 


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Besides
the obvious to upgrade the server or networking, for now is there a quick fix
to remove the lock? I'm aware of removing the .dwk but I can't seem to find
it. Is there an alternative solution? I've just recently upgraded the file
server; OS is SBS 2003; running AC 2000i; workstations running on Windows XP
Pro-SP3. rich
Message 8 of 9
Anonymous
in reply to: jeffva

"5. AutoCAD tries to rename the .dwg to a .bak. General problem location:
Usually when a read only occurs the server has not
completed the remove lock request. The rename is then treated as a sharing
violation and the rename request is denied by the server"

"This problem isn't necessarily an AutoDesk problem "

Yes, it is an AutoDesk Problem. AutoCAD should check the file permissions at every stage. This is a sloppy procedure and it still exists in v 2010. Why is there so much resistance to doing things properly? AutoDesk can fix it - they just can't be bothered to do so.
Message 9 of 9
Anonymous
in reply to: jeffva

How abut not saving localy on C:\ drive? And if it is not saving the file AutoCAD created a .temp file but the original gets deleted and it is not in Recycle bin it is gone. Temp could be renamed to .dwg and could be opened but what happend to the original and why it is not saving to C:?

 

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