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Re:

12-08-1999 06:13 PM in reply to: *Lyons, Joseph
NOW you tell us you have a swap file set to 1200 Mb with 32 mb memory
running an OS that may be eating half of that!

So 16Mb free into 1200Mb virtual means thrashing the disk almost 100 times
before replenishing the current 16Mb workspace in RAM (OK I over simplify
but it must be affecting accessability) you must be running scandisk and
defraging each night!

Why so big? the worst it ought to be is about 128MB why not limit it to 64Mb
and see if that helps.
$32 for ram must be cheaper than the time you will loose, and if the NIC
(which you dont mention) is not bus mastering it *&@~ should be.

Joseph Lyons wrote in message
news:82mh4r$k8v9@adesknews2.autodesk.com...
> Thanks for all of the info... I doubt it will happen, but thanks for the
> help... The reason I say the computer is under powered is I and my
coworkers
> have file sizes starting in the 5 meg size up to 20 megs.... I think I
have
> narrowed down the crashes to 2 things... 1) my tape backup or 2) The
actual
> physical network it self... The ram has somewhat to do with it.... Being
> that it has a 1.2 gig swap file....
>
> Thanks Again for all the help and input from all
>
> Joseph Lyons
>
>
> "Lori Beckett Pownall" wrote in message
> news:384EA8D6.73699D4B@jlab.org...
> > A 166 machine is fine for a server, I have two running here now.
However,
> an
> > increase in the memory seems to be needed if it's crashing regularly and
> also an
> > upgrade to NT seems a MUST for a server for the added security and
> management
> > functionality. Invest your money on those two things and you will see a
> vast
> > improvement in performance.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Lori
> > ----------------------------
> > Lori Beckett Pownall
> > EE CAD Group Leader
> > Jefferson Lab
> > 12000 Jefferson Ave. MS5A
> > Newport News, VA. 23606
> > (757)269-7332 FAX (757) 269-5520
> >
> > Joseph Lyons wrote:
> >
> > > I just think It is under powered.... I wish I could go to a more
> powerful
> > > machine but my company mis says it has enough power...
> > >
> > > Thank You all For the help
> > >
> > > Joseph Lyons
> > >
> > > "Yves Allaire" wrote in message
> > > news:384E608B.9B754585@lino.com...
> > > > I don't know what's the ability of Win98 to act as a server, I would
> > > suggest to
> > > > upgrade to NT, our server never crashes, Just made a check, it's
been
> > > running
> > > > for 344 hours now.
> > > >
> > > > Did you run ScanDisk?
> > > > Or you might have a memory problem with "only" 32Mb
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > >
> > > > Joseph Lyons wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks....Kinda helps... It just seems like it crashes alot....
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank You
> > > > >
> > > > > Joseph Lyons
> > > > >
> > > > > "Yves Allaire" wrote in message
> > > > > news:384D3BDB.9CCA0AAE@lino.com...
> > > > > > We had a file/print server (Pentium 133/128Mb) up to just
> recently,
> > > and
> > > > > was working fine, I must tell that it was (and still is) Windows
NT
> 4.0
> > > > > > (We have 50 users)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would increase the memory to 64Mb though, depending of the
type
> of
> > > > > prints and file size, if you go to more that 64Mb consider
upgrading
> to
> > > NT.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For 6 people your computer can be good enough for a while, if
> it's
> > > just
> > > > > for file/print sharing
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joseph Lyons wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > <<< Message <82gm3b$7b213@adesknews2.autodesk.com> was
> originally
> > > posted
> > > > > to 'autodesk.autocad.2000general' on Mon, 6 Dec 1999
> 10:54:46 -0500.>>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a question about file/print servers... What are the
min.
> > > > > requirements
> > > > > > > for a file/print server... I have the following computer as my
> file
> > > and
> > > > > > > print server:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > p166
> > > > > > > win 98se
> > > > > > > 32 megs of ram
> > > > > > > 13 gig HD / 5 gig free
> > > > > > > 4 meg video
> > > > > > > 4 gig / 8 gig tape back up
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is storing cad files for 6 people.... with a average of 20
> megs a
> > > day
> > > > > > > being added... I will need to a a new hd soon.... Any help
would
> be
> > > > > nice...
> > > > > > > I will understand If this post gets moved... but please tell
me
> > > where it
> > > > > got
> > > > > > > moved to....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks Alot
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joseph Lyons
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
*Lyons, Joseph
Message 12 of 17 (124 Views)

Re:

12-09-1999 07:21 AM in reply to: *Lyons, Joseph
What is "nic"??? Sorry for not telling about the swap file being so big... I
forgot.... I can find 32 megs of ram for 32 bucks for a new computer... but
this is not a new computer... Oh well thanks for the help.... I am getting a
new p3 built for a new server from the info I have.... but could someone
give me a good spec on what I should build for it? Thanks for all the help
and input...

Joseph Lyons

"Primary" <.> wrote in message news:82n19q$m913@adesknews2.autodesk.com...
> NOW you tell us you have a swap file set to 1200 Mb with 32 mb memory
> running an OS that may be eating half of that!
>
> So 16Mb free into 1200Mb virtual means thrashing the disk almost 100 times
> before replenishing the current 16Mb workspace in RAM (OK I over simplify
> but it must be affecting accessability) you must be running scandisk and
> defraging each night!
>
> Why so big? the worst it ought to be is about 128MB why not limit it to
64Mb
> and see if that helps.
> $32 for ram must be cheaper than the time you will loose, and if the NIC
> (which you dont mention) is not bus mastering it *&@~ should be.
>
>
>
> Joseph Lyons wrote in message
> news:82mh4r$k8v9@adesknews2.autodesk.com...
> > Thanks for all of the info... I doubt it will happen, but thanks for the
> > help... The reason I say the computer is under powered is I and my
> coworkers
> > have file sizes starting in the 5 meg size up to 20 megs.... I think I
> have
> > narrowed down the crashes to 2 things... 1) my tape backup or 2) The
> actual
> > physical network it self... The ram has somewhat to do with it.... Being
> > that it has a 1.2 gig swap file....
> >
> > Thanks Again for all the help and input from all
> >
> > Joseph Lyons
> >
> >
> > "Lori Beckett Pownall" wrote in message
> > news:384EA8D6.73699D4B@jlab.org...
> > > A 166 machine is fine for a server, I have two running here now.
> However,
> > an
> > > increase in the memory seems to be needed if it's crashing regularly
and
> > also an
> > > upgrade to NT seems a MUST for a server for the added security and
> > management
> > > functionality. Invest your money on those two things and you will see
a
> > vast
> > > improvement in performance.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Lori
> > > ----------------------------
> > > Lori Beckett Pownall
> > > EE CAD Group Leader
> > > Jefferson Lab
> > > 12000 Jefferson Ave. MS5A
> > > Newport News, VA. 23606
> > > (757)269-7332 FAX (757) 269-5520
> > >
> > > Joseph Lyons wrote:
> > >
> > > > I just think It is under powered.... I wish I could go to a more
> > powerful
> > > > machine but my company mis says it has enough power...
> > > >
> > > > Thank You all For the help
> > > >
> > > > Joseph Lyons
> > > >
> > > > "Yves Allaire" wrote in message
> > > > news:384E608B.9B754585@lino.com...
> > > > > I don't know what's the ability of Win98 to act as a server, I
would
> > > > suggest to
> > > > > upgrade to NT, our server never crashes, Just made a check, it's
> been
> > > > running
> > > > > for 344 hours now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Did you run ScanDisk?
> > > > > Or you might have a memory problem with "only" 32Mb
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joseph Lyons wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks....Kinda helps... It just seems like it crashes alot....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank You
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joseph Lyons
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Yves Allaire" wrote in message
> > > > > > news:384D3BDB.9CCA0AAE@lino.com...
> > > > > > > We had a file/print server (Pentium 133/128Mb) up to just
> > recently,
> > > > and
> > > > > > was working fine, I must tell that it was (and still is) Windows
> NT
> > 4.0
> > > > > > > (We have 50 users)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would increase the memory to 64Mb though, depending of the
> type
> > of
> > > > > > prints and file size, if you go to more that 64Mb consider
> upgrading
> > to
> > > > NT.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For 6 people your computer can be good enough for a while, if
> > it's
> > > > just
> > > > > > for file/print sharing
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joseph Lyons wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > <<< Message <82gm3b$7b213@adesknews2.autodesk.com> was
> > originally
> > > > posted
> > > > > > to 'autodesk.autocad.2000general' on Mon, 6 Dec 1999
> > 10:54:46 -0500.>>>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have a question about file/print servers... What are the
> min.
> > > > > > requirements
> > > > > > > > for a file/print server... I have the following computer as
my
> > file
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > print server:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > p166
> > > > > > > > win 98se
> > > > > > > > 32 megs of ram
> > > > > > > > 13 gig HD / 5 gig free
> > > > > > > > 4 meg video
> > > > > > > > 4 gig / 8 gig tape back up
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It is storing cad files for 6 people.... with a average of
20
> > megs a
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > being added... I will need to a a new hd soon.... Any help
> would
> > be
> > > > > > nice...
> > > > > > > > I will understand If this post gets moved... but please tell
> me
> > > > where it
> > > > > > got
> > > > > > > > moved to....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks Alot
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Joseph Lyons
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
*Allaire, Yves
Message 13 of 17 (124 Views)

Re:

12-09-1999 07:34 AM in reply to: *Lyons, Joseph


Network Interface Card,

Are you building the server yourself???

 

 

Joseph Lyons wrote:

What is "nic"??? Sorry for not telling about the
swap file being so big... I

forgot.... I can find 32 megs of ram for 32 bucks for a new computer...
but

this is not a new computer... Oh well thanks for the help.... I am
getting a

new p3 built for a new server from the info I have.... but could someone

give me a good spec on what I should build for it? Thanks for all the
help

and input...

Joseph Lyons

"Primary" <.> wrote in message news:82n19q$m913@adesknews2.autodesk.com...

> NOW you tell us you have a swap file set to 1200 Mb with 32 mb memory

> running an OS that may be eating half of that!

>

> So 16Mb free into 1200Mb virtual means thrashing the disk almost
100 times

> before replenishing the current 16Mb workspace in RAM (OK I over
simplify

> but it must be affecting accessability) you must be running scandisk
and

> defraging each night!

>

> Why so big? the worst it ought to be is about 128MB why not limit
it to

64Mb

> and see if that helps.

> $32 for ram must be cheaper than the time you will loose, and if
the NIC

> (which you dont mention) is not bus mastering it *&@~ should
be.

>

>

>

> Joseph Lyons <jlyons@elctricspecialty.com> wrote in message

> news:82mh4r$k8v9@adesknews2.autodesk.com...

> > Thanks for all of the info... I doubt it will happen, but thanks
for the

> > help... The reason I say the computer is under powered is I and
my

> coworkers

> > have file sizes starting in the 5 meg size up to 20 megs.... I
think I

> have

> > narrowed down the crashes to 2 things... 1) my tape backup or 2)
The

> actual

> > physical network it self... The ram has somewhat to do with it....
Being

> > that it has a 1.2 gig swap file....

> >

> > Thanks Again for all the help and input from all

> >

> > Joseph Lyons

> >

> >

> > "Lori Beckett Pownall" <LadyDruid@bigfoot.com> wrote in message

> > news:384EA8D6.73699D4B@jlab.org...

> > > A 166 machine is fine for a server, I have two running here now.

> However,

> > an

> > > increase in the memory seems to be needed if it's crashing regularly

and

> > also an

> > > upgrade to NT seems a MUST for a server for the added security
and

> > management

> > > functionality. Invest your money on those two things and you
will see

a

> > vast

> > > improvement in performance.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lori

> > > ----------------------------

> > > Lori Beckett Pownall

> > > EE CAD Group Leader

> > > Jefferson Lab

> > > 12000 Jefferson Ave. MS5A

> > > Newport News, VA. 23606

> > > (757)269-7332  FAX (757) 269-5520

> > >

> > > Joseph Lyons wrote:

> > >

> > > > I just think It is under powered.... I wish I could go to a
more

> > powerful

> > > > machine but my company mis says it has enough power...

> > > >

> > > > Thank You all For the help

> > > >

> > > > Joseph Lyons

> > > >

> > > > "Yves Allaire" <yallaire@lino.com> wrote in message

> > > > news:384E608B.9B754585@lino.com...

> > > > > I don't know what's the ability of Win98 to act as a server,
I

would

> > > > suggest to

> > > > > upgrade to NT, our server never crashes, Just made a check,
it's

> been

> > > > running

> > > > > for 344 hours now.

> > > > >

> > > > > Did you run ScanDisk?

> > > > > Or you might have a memory problem with "only" 32Mb

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > >

> > > > > Joseph Lyons wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks....Kinda helps... It just seems like it crashes
alot....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank You

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Joseph Lyons

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "Yves Allaire" <yallaire@lino.com> wrote in message

> > > > > > news:384D3BDB.9CCA0AAE@lino.com...

> > > > > > > We had a file/print server (Pentium 133/128Mb) up to
just

> > recently,

> > > > and

> > > > > > was working fine, I must tell that it was (and still is)
Windows

> NT

> > 4.0

> > > > > > > (We have 50 users)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would increase the memory to 64Mb though, depending
of the

> type

> > of

> > > > > > prints and file size, if you go to more that 64Mb consider

> upgrading

> > to

> > > > NT.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For 6  people your computer can be good enough for
a while, if

> > it's

> > > > just

> > > > > > for file/print sharing

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Joseph Lyons wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <<< Message <82gm3b$7b213@adesknews2.autodesk.com>
was

> > originally

> > > > posted

> > > > > > to 'autodesk.autocad.2000general' on Mon, 6 Dec 1999

> > 10:54:46 -0500.>>>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have a question about file/print servers... What
are the

> min.

> > > > > > requirements

> > > > > > > > for a file/print server... I have the following computer
as

my

> > file

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > print server:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > p166

> > > > > > > > win 98se

> > > > > > > > 32 megs of ram

> > > > > > > > 13 gig HD / 5 gig free

> > > > > > > > 4 meg video

> > > > > > > > 4 gig / 8 gig tape back up

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is storing cad files for 6 people.... with a average
of

20

> > megs a

> > > > day

> > > > > > > > being added... I will need to a a new hd soon.... Any
help

> would

> > be

> > > > > > nice...

> > > > > > > > I will understand If this post gets moved... but please
tell

> me

> > > > where it

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > moved to....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks Alot

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Joseph Lyons

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>


*Lyons, Joseph
Message 14 of 17 (124 Views)

Re:

12-09-1999 07:55 AM in reply to: *Lyons, Joseph
yes I am... I am very computer knowledgeable, just not great
with networks... I am just starting on my mcse training... I build computers all
the time, just this is my first real time building a small network and
making it work... I am learning as I go...

 

Joseph Lyons


style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
Network
Interface Card,

Are you building the server yourself???
 
 

Joseph Lyons wrote:

What is "nic"??? Sorry for not telling about the
swap file being so big... I
forgot.... I can find 32 megs of ram for 32
bucks for a new computer... but
this is not a new computer... Oh well
thanks for the help.... I am getting a
new p3 built for a new server
from the info I have.... but could someone
give me a good spec on what I
should build for it? Thanks for all the help
and input...

Joseph Lyons

"Primary" <.> wrote in message
href="news:82n19q$m913@adesknews2.autodesk.com">news:82n19q$m913@adesknews2.autodesk.com
...

> NOW you tell us you have a swap file set to 1200 Mb with 32 mb
memory
> running an OS that may be eating half of that!
>

> So 16Mb free into 1200Mb virtual means thrashing the disk almost
100 times
> before replenishing the current 16Mb workspace in RAM (OK
I over simplify
> but it must be affecting accessability) you must be
running scandisk and
> defraging each night!
>
> Why so
big? the worst it ought to be is about 128MB why not limit it to
64Mb

> and see if that helps.
> $32 for ram must be cheaper than
the time you will loose, and if the NIC
> (which you dont mention) is
not bus mastering it *&@~ should be.
>
>
>
>
Joseph Lyons <jlyons@elctricspecialty.com> wrote in message
>

href="news:82mh4r$k8v9@adesknews2.autodesk.com">news:82mh4r$k8v9@adesknews2.autodesk.com
...

> > Thanks for all of the info... I doubt it will happen, but
thanks for the
> > help... The reason I say the computer is under
powered is I and my
> coworkers
> > have file sizes
starting in the 5 meg size up to 20 megs.... I think I
> have

> > narrowed down the crashes to 2 things... 1) my tape backup or
2) The
> actual
> > physical network it self... The ram has
somewhat to do with it.... Being
> > that it has a 1.2 gig swap
file....
> >
> > Thanks Again for all the help and input
from all
> >
> > Joseph Lyons
> >
>
>
> > "Lori Beckett Pownall" <LadyDruid@bigfoot.com>
wrote in message
> >
href="news:384EA8D6.73699D4B@jlab.org">news:384EA8D6.73699D4B@jlab.org
...

> > > A 166 machine is fine for a server, I have two running
here now.
> However,
> > an
> > > increase in
the memory seems to be needed if it's crashing regularly
and
>
> also an
> > > upgrade to NT seems a MUST for a server for
the added security and
> > management
> > >
functionality. Invest your money on those two things and you will see
a

> > vast
> > > improvement in performance.
>
> >
> > > Regards,
> > > Lori
> >
> ----------------------------
> > > Lori Beckett Pownall

> > > EE CAD Group Leader
> > > Jefferson Lab

> > > 12000 Jefferson Ave. MS5A
> > > Newport
News, VA. 23606
> > > (757)269-7332  FAX (757) 269-5520

> > >
> > > Joseph Lyons wrote:
> > >

> > > > I just think It is under powered.... I wish I could
go to a more
> > powerful
> > > > machine but my
company mis says it has enough power...
> > > >
>
> > > Thank You all For the help
> > > >
>
> > > Joseph Lyons
> > > >
> > > >
"Yves Allaire" <yallaire@lino.com> wrote in message
> > >
>
href="news:384E608B.9B754585@lino.com">news:384E608B.9B754585@lino.com
...

> > > > > I don't know what's the ability of Win98 to act
as a server, I
would
> > > > suggest to
> >
> > > upgrade to NT, our server never crashes, Just made a check,
it's
> been
> > > > running
> > > >
> for 344 hours now.
> > > > >
> > > >
> Did you run ScanDisk?
> > > > > Or you might have a
memory problem with "only" 32Mb
> > > > >
> >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > > > >
> >
> > > Joseph Lyons wrote:
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Thanks....Kinda helps... It just seems like it
crashes alot....
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > Thank You
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > Joseph Lyons
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > "Yves Allaire" <yallaire@lino.com> wrote in
message
> > > > > >
href="news:384D3BDB.9CCA0AAE@lino.com">news:384D3BDB.9CCA0AAE@lino.com
...

> > > > > > > We had a file/print server (Pentium
133/128Mb) up to just
> > recently,
> > > > and

> > > > > > was working fine, I must tell that it was
(and still is) Windows
> NT
> > 4.0
> > > >
> > > (We have 50 users)
> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would increase the memory to 64Mb
though, depending of the
> type
> > of
> > >
> > > prints and file size, if you go to more that 64Mb consider

> upgrading
> > to
> > > > NT.
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > For
6  people your computer can be good enough for a while, if
>
> it's
> > > > just
> > > > > > for
file/print sharing
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Joseph Lyons wrote:
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >
<<< Message <82gm3b$7b213@adesknews2.autodesk.com> was

> > originally
> > > > posted
> > >
> > > to 'autodesk.autocad.2000general' on Mon, 6 Dec 1999
>
> 10:54:46 -0500.>>>
> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have a question about
file/print servers... What are the
> min.
> > > >
> > requirements
> > > > > > > > for a
file/print server... I have the following computer as
my
> >
file
> > > > and
> > > > > > > >
print server:
> > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > p166
> > > > > > > >
win 98se
> > > > > > > > 32 megs of ram
>
> > > > > > > 13 gig HD / 5 gig free
> > >
> > > > > 4 meg video
> > > > > > >
> 4 gig / 8 gig tape back up
> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is storing cad files for 6
people.... with a average of
20
> > megs a
> > >
> day
> > > > > > > > being added... I will
need to a a new hd soon.... Any help
> would
> > be

> > > > > > nice...
> > > > > >
> > I will understand If this post gets moved... but please tell

> me
> > > > where it
> > > > >
> got
> > > > > > > > moved to....
>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> Thanks Alot
> > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > Joseph Lyons
> > > > > >
>
> > > > >
> > >
> > >

> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

>

*Allaire, Yves
Message 15 of 17 (124 Views)

Re:

12-09-1999 10:13 AM in reply to: *Lyons, Joseph


The configuration we have here for our server (50 users).

Dell PowerEdge

Pentium II/300

19Gb HD SCSI II

3COM 10/100 NIC

128Mb RAM

HP Int. Tape Backup

Yves Allaire wrote:

Network Interface Card,

Are you building the server yourself???

 

 

Joseph Lyons wrote:

What is "nic"??? Sorry for not telling about the
swap file being so big... I

forgot.... I can find 32 megs of ram for 32 bucks for a new computer...
but

this is not a new computer... Oh well thanks for the help.... I am
getting a

new p3 built for a new server from the info I have.... but could someone

give me a good spec on what I should build for it? Thanks for all the
help

and input...

Joseph Lyons

"Primary" <.> wrote in message news:82n19q$m913@adesknews2.autodesk.com...

> NOW you tell us you have a swap file set to 1200 Mb with 32 mb memory

> running an OS that may be eating half of that!

>

> So 16Mb free into 1200Mb virtual means thrashing the disk almost
100 times

> before replenishing the current 16Mb workspace in RAM (OK I over
simplify

> but it must be affecting accessability) you must be running scandisk
and

> defraging each night!

>

> Why so big? the worst it ought to be is about 128MB why not limit
it to

64Mb

> and see if that helps.

> $32 for ram must be cheaper than the time you will loose, and if
the NIC

> (which you dont mention) is not bus mastering it *&@~ should
be.

>

>

>

> Joseph Lyons <jlyons@elctricspecialty.com> wrote in message

> news:82mh4r$k8v9@adesknews2.autodesk.com...

> > Thanks for all of the info... I doubt it will happen, but thanks
for the

> > help... The reason I say the computer is under powered is I and
my

> coworkers

> > have file sizes starting in the 5 meg size up to 20 megs.... I
think I

> have

> > narrowed down the crashes to 2 things... 1) my tape backup or 2)
The

> actual

> > physical network it self... The ram has somewhat to do with it....
Being

> > that it has a 1.2 gig swap file....

> >

> > Thanks Again for all the help and input from all

> >

> > Joseph Lyons

> >

> >

> > "Lori Beckett Pownall" <LadyDruid@bigfoot.com> wrote in message

> > news:384EA8D6.73699D4B@jlab.org...

> > > A 166 machine is fine for a server, I have two running here now.

> However,

> > an

> > > increase in the memory seems to be needed if it's crashing regularly

and

> > also an

> > > upgrade to NT seems a MUST for a server for the added security
and

> > management

> > > functionality. Invest your money on those two things and you
will see

a

> > vast

> > > improvement in performance.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lori

> > > ----------------------------

> > > Lori Beckett Pownall

> > > EE CAD Group Leader

> > > Jefferson Lab

> > > 12000 Jefferson Ave. MS5A

> > > Newport News, VA. 23606

> > > (757)269-7332  FAX (757) 269-5520

> > >

> > > Joseph Lyons wrote:

> > >

> > > > I just think It is under powered.... I wish I could go to a
more

> > powerful

> > > > machine but my company mis says it has enough power...

> > > >

> > > > Thank You all For the help

> > > >

> > > > Joseph Lyons

> > > >

> > > > "Yves Allaire" <yallaire@lino.com> wrote in message

> > > > news:384E608B.9B754585@lino.com...

> > > > > I don't know what's the ability of Win98 to act as a server,
I

would

> > > > suggest to

> > > > > upgrade to NT, our server never crashes, Just made a check,
it's

> been

> > > > running

> > > > > for 344 hours now.

> > > > >

> > > > > Did you run ScanDisk?

> > > > > Or you might have a memory problem with "only" 32Mb

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > >

> > > > > Joseph Lyons wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks....Kinda helps... It just seems like it crashes
alot....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank You

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Joseph Lyons

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "Yves Allaire" <yallaire@lino.com> wrote in message

> > > > > > news:384D3BDB.9CCA0AAE@lino.com...

> > > > > > > We had a file/print server (Pentium 133/128Mb) up to
just

> > recently,

> > > > and

> > > > > > was working fine, I must tell that it was (and still is)
Windows

> NT

> > 4.0

> > > > > > > (We have 50 users)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would increase the memory to 64Mb though, depending
of the

> type

> > of

> > > > > > prints and file size, if you go to more that 64Mb consider

> upgrading

> > to

> > > > NT.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For 6  people your computer can be good enough for
a while, if

> > it's

> > > > just

> > > > > > for file/print sharing

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Joseph Lyons wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <<< Message <82gm3b$7b213@adesknews2.autodesk.com>
was

> > originally

> > > > posted

> > > > > > to 'autodesk.autocad.2000general' on Mon, 6 Dec 1999

> > 10:54:46 -0500.>>>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have a question about file/print servers... What
are the

> min.

> > > > > > requirements

> > > > > > > > for a file/print server... I have the following computer
as

my

> > file

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > print server:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > p166

> > > > > > > > win 98se

> > > > > > > > 32 megs of ram

> > > > > > > > 13 gig HD / 5 gig free

> > > > > > > > 4 meg video

> > > > > > > > 4 gig / 8 gig tape back up

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is storing cad files for 6 people.... with a average
of

20

> > megs a

> > > > day

> > > > > > > > being added... I will need to a a new hd soon.... Any
help

> would

> > be

> > > > > > nice...

> > > > > > > > I will understand If this post gets moved... but please
tell

> me

> > > > where it

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > moved to....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks Alot

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Joseph Lyons

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>



*Lyons, Joseph
Message 16 of 17 (124 Views)

Re:

12-09-1999 12:00 PM in reply to: *Lyons, Joseph
Thank you....


style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
The
configuration we have here for our server (50 users).

Dell PowerEdge
Pentium II/300
19Gb HD SCSI II
3COM 10/100 NIC

128Mb RAM
HP Int. Tape Backup

Yves Allaire wrote:

Network Interface Card,

Are you building the server yourself???
 
 

Joseph Lyons wrote:

What is "nic"??? Sorry for not telling about the
swap file being so big... I
forgot.... I can find 32 megs of ram for
32 bucks for a new computer... but
this is not a new computer... Oh
well thanks for the help.... I am getting a
new p3 built for a new
server from the info I have.... but could someone
give me a good spec
on what I should build for it? Thanks for all the help
and input...

Joseph Lyons

"Primary" <.> wrote in message
href="news:82n19q$m913@adesknews2.autodesk.com">news:82n19q$m913@adesknews2.autodesk.com
...

> NOW you tell us you have a swap file set to 1200 Mb with 32 mb
memory
> running an OS that may be eating half of that!
>

> So 16Mb free into 1200Mb virtual means thrashing the disk almost
100 times
> before replenishing the current 16Mb workspace in RAM
(OK I over simplify
> but it must be affecting accessability) you
must be running scandisk and
> defraging each night!
>

> Why so big? the worst it ought to be is about 128MB why not limit
it to
64Mb
> and see if that helps.
> $32 for ram must
be cheaper than the time you will loose, and if the NIC
> (which
you dont mention) is not bus mastering it *&@~ should be.
>

>
>
> Joseph Lyons
<jlyons@elctricspecialty.com> wrote in message
>
href="news:82mh4r$k8v9@adesknews2.autodesk.com">news:82mh4r$k8v9@adesknews2.autodesk.com
...

> > Thanks for all of the info... I doubt it will happen, but
thanks for the
> > help... The reason I say the computer is
under powered is I and my
> coworkers
> > have file sizes
starting in the 5 meg size up to 20 megs.... I think I
> have

> > narrowed down the crashes to 2 things... 1) my tape backup
or 2) The
> actual
> > physical network it self... The
ram has somewhat to do with it.... Being
> > that it has a 1.2
gig swap file....
> >
> > Thanks Again for all the
help and input from all
> >
> > Joseph Lyons
>
>
> >
> > "Lori Beckett Pownall"
<LadyDruid@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> >
href="news:384EA8D6.73699D4B@jlab.org">news:384EA8D6.73699D4B@jlab.org
...

> > > A 166 machine is fine for a server, I have two running
here now.
> However,
> > an
> > > increase
in the memory seems to be needed if it's crashing regularly
and

> > also an
> > > upgrade to NT seems a MUST for a
server for the added security and
> > management
> >
> functionality. Invest your money on those two things and you will see

a
> > vast
> > > improvement in performance.

> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Lori

> > > ----------------------------
> > > Lori
Beckett Pownall
> > > EE CAD Group Leader
> > >
Jefferson Lab
> > > 12000 Jefferson Ave. MS5A
> >
> Newport News, VA. 23606
> > > (757)269-7332  FAX
(757) 269-5520
> > >
> > > Joseph Lyons wrote:

> > >
> > > > I just think It is under
powered.... I wish I could go to a more
> > powerful
>
> > > machine but my company mis says it has enough power...

> > > >
> > > > Thank You all For the help

> > > >
> > > > Joseph Lyons
> >
> >
> > > > "Yves Allaire" <yallaire@lino.com>
wrote in message
> > > >
href="news:384E608B.9B754585@lino.com">news:384E608B.9B754585@lino.com
...

> > > > > I don't know what's the ability of Win98 to
act as a server, I
would
> > > > suggest to
>
> > > > upgrade to NT, our server never crashes, Just made a
check, it's
> been
> > > > running
> >
> > > for 344 hours now.
> > > > >
>
> > > > Did you run ScanDisk?
> > > > > Or
you might have a memory problem with "only" 32Mb
> > > >
>
> > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > >
>
> > > > > Joseph Lyons wrote:
> > >
> >
> > > > > > Thanks....Kinda helps... It
just seems like it crashes alot....
> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank You
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > Joseph Lyons
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > "Yves Allaire"
<yallaire@lino.com> wrote in message
> > > > >
>
href="news:384D3BDB.9CCA0AAE@lino.com">news:384D3BDB.9CCA0AAE@lino.com
...

> > > > > > > We had a file/print server (Pentium
133/128Mb) up to just
> > recently,
> > > > and

> > > > > > was working fine, I must tell that it
was (and still is) Windows
> NT
> > 4.0
> >
> > > > > (We have 50 users)
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > I would increase the
memory to 64Mb though, depending of the
> type
> > of

> > > > > > prints and file size, if you go to more
that 64Mb consider
> upgrading
> > to
> > >
> NT.
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > For 6  people your computer can be good enough for a
while, if
> > it's
> > > > just
> >
> > > > for file/print sharing
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > Hope this helps.
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
Joseph Lyons wrote:
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > <<< Message
<82gm3b$7b213@adesknews2.autodesk.com> was
> > originally

> > > > posted
> > > > > > to
'autodesk.autocad.2000general' on Mon, 6 Dec 1999
> > 10:54:46
-0500.>>>
> > > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > I have a question about file/print
servers... What are the
> min.
> > > > > >
requirements
> > > > > > > > for a file/print
server... I have the following computer as
my
> > file

> > > > and
> > > > > > > >
print server:
> > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > p166
> > > > > > >
> win 98se
> > > > > > > > 32 megs of ram

> > > > > > > > 13 gig HD / 5 gig free

> > > > > > > > 4 meg video
> > >
> > > > > 4 gig / 8 gig tape back up
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > It is
storing cad files for 6 people.... with a average of
20
> >
megs a
> > > > day
> > > > > > >
> being added... I will need to a a new hd soon.... Any help
>
would
> > be
> > > > > > nice...
>
> > > > > > > I will understand If this post gets
moved... but please tell
> me
> > > > where it

> > > > > > got
> > > > > >
> > moved to....
> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks Alot
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >
Joseph Lyons
> > > > > > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > >
> >
> >
>

>

*Primary
Message 17 of 17 (124 Views)

Re:

12-10-1999 04:32 PM in reply to: *Lyons, Joseph
The SCSI II and 3COM recommendations coupled with
128MB Ram and a good backup drive are the key points. Dell is good if you pay
for the support you may need due to the proprietary builds they
generate.

CPU (PII is enough) and Graphics (a lowish spec.
will do) are less important and the FEWer peripherals and less extras the
better for your sanity.

Your server should not be your test bed for newish
driver problems. Look for guaranteed component compatability with
NT4.


style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">

Thank you....


style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
The
configuration we have here for our server (50 users).

Dell PowerEdge
Pentium II/300
19Gb HD SCSI II
3COM 10/100 NIC

128Mb RAM
HP Int. Tape Backup

Yves Allaire wrote:

Network Interface Card,

Are you building the server yourself???
 
 

Joseph Lyons wrote:

What is "nic"??? Sorry for not telling about the
swap file being so big... I
forgot.... I can find 32 megs of ram for
32 bucks for a new computer... but
this is not a new computer... Oh
well thanks for the help.... I am getting a
new p3 built for a new
server from the info I have.... but could someone
give me a good
spec on what I should build for it? Thanks for all the help
and
input...

Joseph Lyons

"Primary" <.> wrote in message
href="news:82n19q$m913@adesknews2.autodesk.com">news:82n19q$m913@adesknews2.autodesk.com
...

> NOW you tell us you have a swap file set to 1200 Mb with 32 mb
memory
> running an OS that may be eating half of that!
>

> So 16Mb free into 1200Mb virtual means thrashing the disk
almost 100 times
> before replenishing the current 16Mb workspace
in RAM (OK I over simplify
> but it must be affecting
accessability) you must be running scandisk and
> defraging each
night!
>
> Why so big? the worst it ought to be is about
128MB why not limit it to
64Mb
> and see if that helps.

> $32 for ram must be cheaper than the time you will loose, and
if the NIC
> (which you dont mention) is not bus mastering it
*&@~ should be.
>
>
>
> Joseph Lyons
<jlyons@elctricspecialty.com> wrote in message
>
href="news:82mh4r$k8v9@adesknews2.autodesk.com">news:82mh4r$k8v9@adesknews2.autodesk.com
...

> > Thanks for all of the info... I doubt it will happen, but
thanks for the
> > help... The reason I say the computer is
under powered is I and my
> coworkers
> > have file
sizes starting in the 5 meg size up to 20 megs.... I think I
>
have
> > narrowed down the crashes to 2 things... 1) my tape
backup or 2) The
> actual
> > physical network it
self... The ram has somewhat to do with it.... Being
> > that
it has a 1.2 gig swap file....
> >
> > Thanks Again
for all the help and input from all
> >
> > Joseph
Lyons
> >
> >
> > "Lori Beckett Pownall"
<LadyDruid@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> >
href="news:384EA8D6.73699D4B@jlab.org">news:384EA8D6.73699D4B@jlab.org
...

> > > A 166 machine is fine for a server, I have two
running here now.
> However,
> > an
> > >
increase in the memory seems to be needed if it's crashing regularly

and
> > also an
> > > upgrade to NT seems a
MUST for a server for the added security and
> > management

> > > functionality. Invest your money on those two things
and you will see
a
> > vast
> > > improvement
in performance.
> > >
> > > Regards,
>
> > Lori
> > > ----------------------------
>
> > Lori Beckett Pownall
> > > EE CAD Group Leader

> > > Jefferson Lab
> > > 12000 Jefferson Ave.
MS5A
> > > Newport News, VA. 23606
> > >
(757)269-7332  FAX (757) 269-5520
> > >
> >
> Joseph Lyons wrote:
> > >
> > > > I
just think It is under powered.... I wish I could go to a more
>
> powerful
> > > > machine but my company mis says it
has enough power...
> > > >
> > > >
Thank You all For the help
> > > >
> > >
> Joseph Lyons
> > > >
> > > > "Yves
Allaire" <yallaire@lino.com> wrote in message
> > >
>
href="news:384E608B.9B754585@lino.com">news:384E608B.9B754585@lino.com
...

> > > > > I don't know what's the ability of Win98 to
act as a server, I
would
> > > > suggest to
>
> > > > upgrade to NT, our server never crashes, Just made a
check, it's
> been
> > > > running
> >
> > > for 344 hours now.
> > > > >
>
> > > > Did you run ScanDisk?
> > > > >
Or you might have a memory problem with "only" 32Mb
> > >
> >
> > > > > Hope this helps.
> >
> > >
> > > > > Joseph Lyons wrote:
>
> > > >
> > > > > > Thanks....Kinda
helps... It just seems like it crashes alot....
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > Thank You
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > Joseph Lyons
>
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Yves
Allaire" <yallaire@lino.com> wrote in message
> > >
> > >
href="news:384D3BDB.9CCA0AAE@lino.com">news:384D3BDB.9CCA0AAE@lino.com
...

> > > > > > > We had a file/print server
(Pentium 133/128Mb) up to just
> > recently,
> >
> > and
> > > > > > was working fine, I must
tell that it was (and still is) Windows
> NT
> > 4.0

> > > > > > > (We have 50 users)
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > I would
increase the memory to 64Mb though, depending of the
> type

> > of
> > > > > > prints and file size,
if you go to more that 64Mb consider
> upgrading
> > to

> > > > NT.
> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For 6  people your computer
can be good enough for a while, if
> > it's
> > >
> just
> > > > > > for file/print sharing

> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> Hope this helps.
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > Joseph Lyons wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > >
<<< Message <82gm3b$7b213@adesknews2.autodesk.com> was

> > originally
> > > > posted
> >
> > > > to 'autodesk.autocad.2000general' on Mon, 6 Dec 1999

> > 10:54:46 -0500.>>>
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > I have a
question about file/print servers... What are the
> min.
>
> > > > > requirements
> > > > > >
> > for a file/print server... I have the following computer as

my
> > file
> > > > and
> > >
> > > > > print server:
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > p166
> >
> > > > > > win 98se
> > > > > >
> > 32 megs of ram
> > > > > > > > 13
gig HD / 5 gig free
> > > > > > > > 4 meg
video
> > > > > > > > 4 gig / 8 gig tape
back up
> > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > It is storing cad files for 6 people.... with a
average of
20
> > megs a
> > > > day

> > > > > > > > being added... I will need
to a a new hd soon.... Any help
> would
> > be
>
> > > > > nice...
> > > > > > >
> I will understand If this post gets moved... but please tell

> me
> > > > where it
> > > >
> > got
> > > > > > > > moved to....

> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > Thanks Alot
> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Joseph Lyons
> >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >

> > >
> > >
> > >
> >

> >
>

>

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