showcase exist in 2016?

[juliangalar]

will showcase in 2016 with something new?

please yes.

thanks

[juliangalar]

No. RT

[Anonymous]

Here you go, put some light and shadows on this with Artlantis, or any other 

program you think makes geometry look good. I'm not pre-judging anything,

I was just guessing that nothing can beat Showcase. Help me find a rendering

program that can beat Showcase.

[botman]

All I've seen here from any Autodesk post in response to the creation of this thread is something more agitating than helpful, something like "gee I haven't heard anything." 

I'm not sure how long you've been working with Autodesk-products but this answer you'll never get from anu AD-employees before the actual releasedate.....nothing new here I'm afraid.

Just buy the license, start working with Showcase on a legal basis and stop whining about a 2015 or 2016 version....they'll both be exactly the same for sure...

[Anonymous]

I mean did you render it using "Basic" or "Advanced"?

[Anonymous]

botman-

Autodesk
07-24-2014

"Autodesk will discontinue Inventor Fusion
effective August 23, 2014 due to redundancy
with our Autodesk® Fusion 360™ product."

__________________________

So why do I suspect they will pull this same crap on 

Showcase users? But this time without telling anyone?

And like I said, software vendors trying to put their

greasy fingers on our computers, and we don't want it.

[Anonymous]

botman- probably be best if you stay out of politics and stick with the geometry.

You said you believe Artlantis can render better than Showcase, maybe you

are right, that's why I'm asking you to show us if possible. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

botman- I'm not looking for any Autodesk employee to tell

ME anything. I'm just looking for Autodesk to do the right thing

on behalf of Showcase users.

[Anonymous]

Sorry botman, I didn't export the model properly, here it is.

[admaiora]

I don't know Artlantis at all, i am curious.

But i know Showcase.

10 mins materials/scenes setup

7 mins RT

Simple, effective, smooth results. All i need from this kind of software.

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks for your comments and the images.

"Simple, effective, smooth results."

Showcase is simple to operate, works like Revit, and

all that's a big plus, BUT, it's the "effective" that I've

been looking for.

I want to present the geometry in such a way, (with

good design of course), that the geometry will cause

a person to "yearn" for, or desire to have, those shapes.

Yes MentalRay is very honest and accurate, and good

for construction development, or even an early continuation

of the conceptual design with a head start on the construction

model, but will it close the deal quicker than Showcase, I

tend to doubt it.

I also think Showcase can look "gimmicky" if you are not

careful with it. It has a lot of contrast and blurriness by

default, lots of "eye-candy." I think some Image Control

adjustments are needed to bring the rendered objects

partly into the real world.

The more convinced I become that Showcase is a money

maker, the more concerned I become about Autodesk

taking the program away from me and putting it in the

cloud, where I would not use it, like they did with Fusion.

I HOPE they don't do that.

And I apologize to everyone about my political hawking. 

[sam_m]

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@Anonymous wrote:

And I apologize to everyone about my political hawking. 

---

One person's "political hawking" or concerned plea is another person's indication of passion.  I agree entirely that what was/is a great tool that could do with a little love to make it even better is being overlooked.  And, if the lack of development/changes to Showcase over the last couple years are anything to go by, is it going to be scrapped long-term.

I've said it before, it's almost as if the bean-counters (who never use any of the software themselves) just go through marketing bullet-points and see things like "rendering" ticked by Inventor, Revit, VRED, 3d Studio, Showcase, etc. and thus feel it's justified to cut out the smallest fish if "rendering" is covered by so many other products - with little awareness what Showcase actually brings to the party above any beyond any of the other integrated rendering packages (especially when "feature-sets" are compared with something like 3D Studio or VRED - which, on paper are all "just" 3d rendering packages...).

(note - As VRED is a relative newcomer to AD, I've not used it, so I have no idea where it sits on the see-saw - if it's closer to 3D Studio and massively complicated or Showcase and straightforward)

[Anonymous]

Yes, I don't know anything about VRED myself, but somehow its

description doesn't seem to rhyme with architecture.

"VRED™ 3D visualization software helps automotive designers and engineers create product presentations, design reviews, and virtual prototypes with realistic materials, physical camera settings, engineering tools, and even surface analysis modes."

Showcase is not only ideal for architecture, but it works like

Revit and communicates well with Revit. Without any other

good alternative to the old MentalRay for Revit users, I can't help

thinking the "bean-counters" want to use that Showcase rendering

engine to hold Revit users hostage in the cloud. And they know

how the Revit community would react if they were told that's

what Autodesk plans to do. It's been quite a challenge for me

lately trying to keep Autodesk out of my computer and out of

my life. I'm happy to comply with any license agreement and

submit to any inspections, but I want to operating the program

on MY COMPUTER the way I want to operate it.

Having said that, I want it to be known that I still have

great respect for Autodesk and all it has done for me.

[Anonymous]

SHOCKING NEWS!

Not news to everyone maybe. But when the question came up 
about Showcase for 2016, and its suspicious development, I
said I bet Autodesk will no-longer let us buy and own Showcase, 
that they will only let us USE it under their control. (Something
that is repulsive to me).

I was right, but it's not only going to be Showcase, it's going to
be ALL Autodesk programs. And that will happen on February 1,

2016.  Until that point, you will still be able to buy Showcase 2016
and all other Autodesk programs as stand-alone programs and
use them YOUR WAY forever.

This is just so shocking to me as a Revit user since version 8. And
what it means for me is that Revit 2016, (and Showcase 2016),
will be the LAST Autodesk programs I ever use or buy. Wow.

Showcase is not a problem to use for the next 10 years or more, 

it does the job just fine as is.

As a small firm Revit user, fortunately Revit is about as fully

developed as it will ever get. And in ten or fifteen years, Autodesk
will probably be out of business anyway. Because after this current 

administration, Americans will be fed up with the idea of central

control, especially from a company that thinks it's big enough to

behave like a central government.

Enjoy the cloud propaganda.

[cikho]

sorry but this post doesn't make sense to me..
what do you mean under their control? limited licenses?

[botman]

Maybe you can run for president yourself and make this a better world and take control of things?

For as far as I can "read" your posts you're being very political engaged I would say....

And Revit being fully developed? Meh...don't think so...

(being a Revit user since V4 when not controlled by AD)

Maybe it's better to find other software instead of stating the same point over and over again on this forum?

Autodesk does a lot of things I don't agree with but I'm being realistic and know this firm for 25+ years.

The engineers are most definitely willing and actually trying to make things better (and really listening to users like us) but the marketing suits are only interested in money and they decide.

Willing to change this? Fat chance!

If your company is 100% depending on Revit and Showcase it's time to take a look at alternatives which are plenty available when you're seriously interested.

[Anonymous]

"what do you mean under their control?"

At the beginning of next year, you will not be able

to buy any Autodesk software program, you will

only be able to RENT it. 

Ask yourself, what is the difference between a car

you own and a car you rent?

Autodesk is hoping as many people as possible

don't understand that difference before it happens.

So if you want to own an Autodesk program, and

use it the way you want to use it, then you need

to buy it before February 1, 2016.

I can't imagine anything hard to understand about

that.

[Anonymous]

"take a look at alternatives"

Yes we looked at the alternative and it is viable.

For a small arch firm like ours, buy and own Revit

2016 and be free to use it anyway we choose until

a new BIM program is introduced by another vendor.

You say you have used Revit for a long time like

I have, then you know Revit is quite mature, and

version 2016 will do the job very well for many

years to come.

I suppose AD is hoping most don't have the time

to get educated, but I encourage everyone to do

just that. Learn what it means to become a MEMBER

of an organization you'd rather not. Learn what it's

like to use a software program over the Internet

that is on someone else's computer. Learn what it

means when someone you don't know is looking at

what you create. Learn about the trouble you run into

trying to customize the way a program works when

it's on someone else's computer. Learn how the government

just took control of the Internet and its service providers.

Autodesk is hoping we all don't learn anything.

And now with less than a month to go, we can't even

find out if there will be a Showcase 2016. Because AD

doesn't think WE need to plan anything for ourselves,

they can do all our planning for us.

Autodesk was constantly at war with the AutoCad users

in the past, and I was hoping it would get better for the

new generation of Revit users, but it is getting much

worse than that.

Autodesk LOVES war with it's customers, always has.

Remember Microsoft at war with the whole world at 

one point? They pulled themselves out of it fortunately,

but Autodesk is still gloating over themselves and 

loving the war. 

[sam_m]

---

@Anonymous wrote:

At the beginning of next year, you will not be able

to buy any Autodesk software program, you will

only be able to RENT it.  

---

But, hasn't it been effectively that for years now anyway?  Long gone are the days of buying and owning software as if it was a physical medium.  I might be wrong, but I thought all we have been "buying" for the last few years have been licences to use software - which is why there are limititation on reselling and why some older software can no longer be activated (i think).  I think it's all in the EULA that we all agree to when installing the software.

If you go digging, there was the Vernor v. Autodesk case which argued that software is the equivalent to a physical object like a CD and should be treated as such (and thus be allowed to be resold).  But, now we've all been paying into AD's subscription model for years, some of the arguements used in that case (that software is a 1 time up-front purchase) are possibly lost.  It all gets a little murky with global laws as that was in the US and I think over here in UK it's always been licence purchases.

[botman]

Learn this, learn that?

Who do you think you're talking to? Some noob, or what? 

Look: In all your posts you keep on repeating the same over and over, desperately trying to get an answer which you know very well you will not get from Autodesk. 

If you think you can buy a license Revit 2016 and use it for years to come you'll truly got something coming to you (and your firm) for Revit is not as mature as you think, maybe it's in adolescent state at best...

And how about working with files in 2017 format with your "owned" software?

Subscription or rent software is the best way to use to be prepared for the future, maybe it's time to change your mind a bit....

I sure hope you don't buy Microsoft Office for instance for it's the same principle: You buy a box which you "own" with software which becomes out of the from the day you start using it. This is a workflow from the 90's.

Just use the software which is available and you want to use the way you want to use it. 

You're not able to influence the companies, even if they make you feel that way like Autodesk does. We all know better, things are the way they are and that's basically it.

On the other hand: You can start a software company yourself and make your own software.

[Anonymous]

"hasn't it been effectively that for years now anyway?"

When was the last time you operated a computer program

remotely over the Internet where that program was installed

on someone else's computer and not on the computer you

were using? 

I think this is what Autodesk is hoping for, they are hoping

people will think cloud-based computing is just something

we've all been doing all-along. lol

That's what I mean about Autodesk helping people become

uneducated.

Got anymore comments about driving someone else's car

vs. driving your own? Or do you think we have all been

driving someone else's car all-along?

Not only uneducated does AD want their customers to be,

but delusional as well. They can get more money and more

control of people that way.