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CADD Standards - quick poll?

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Anonymous
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CADD Standards - quick poll?

Quick poll if people would be so kind as to chime in...

I have created my own CADD Standards here for my facility which apply to the
contractors who do work for us.

Just wondering if those Facilities that *do* have CADD standards in place,
are you using something 'home-grown' or something like the NCS (national cad
standards - standard or modified)?

thanks for any info!
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Message 2 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Home-grown.

Murph
--
http://mappingitout.blogspot.com/
"melanie stone" wrote in message
news:5186547@discussion.autodesk.com...
Quick poll if people would be so kind as to chime in...

I have created my own CADD Standards here for my facility which apply to the
contractors who do work for us.

Just wondering if those Facilities that *do* have CADD standards in place,
are you using something 'home-grown' or something like the NCS (national cad
standards - standard or modified)?

thanks for any info!
Message 3 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Based on NCS...modified.

"melanie stone" wrote in message
news:5186547@discussion.autodesk.com...
Quick poll if people would be so kind as to chime in...

I have created my own CADD Standards here for my facility which apply to the
contractors who do work for us.

Just wondering if those Facilities that *do* have CADD standards in place,
are you using something 'home-grown' or something like the NCS (national cad
standards - standard or modified)?

thanks for any info!
Message 4 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

if I may be so inquisitive... how highly modified? do you specify the naming
of your contractors' files? etc? (I don't have the NCS, so I'm not sure how
much it specifies, I've heard it's pretty detailed)

Thank you for chiming in. 🙂

"Terry Scanlon" wrote in message
news:5187134@discussion.autodesk.com...
Based on NCS...modified.

"melanie stone" wrote in message
news:5186547@discussion.autodesk.com...
Quick poll if people would be so kind as to chime in...

I have created my own CADD Standards here for my facility which apply to the
contractors who do work for us.

Just wondering if those Facilities that *do* have CADD standards in place,
are you using something 'home-grown' or something like the NCS (national cad
standards - standard or modified)?

thanks for any info!
Message 5 of 15
beth.luebke-jones
in reply to: Anonymous

I have created in-house standards for drawings produced here, buthave no control over CAD files delivered to us by our architects and their subs.

Beth
Message 6 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

we're both in the same boat then... here, have a lifevest. 😉



~melanie
http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com/

wrote in message news:5190031@discussion.autodesk.com...
I have created in-house standards for drawings produced here, buthave no
control over CAD files delivered to us by our architects and their subs.

Beth
Message 7 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Like someone else mentioned, our standards are in-house and mostly just
layer standards. Most other items are pretty flexible. I find if folks at
least put things on the right layers, it is easy enough to configure a
drawing to one's liking.

While we don't dictate standards to other contractors, most files I receive
appear related to NCS (AIA layers). So they mesh with our layer scheme
nicely (and hopefully vice versa).

Even in-house, file naming can be atrocious. We have "teams" within our
office. Our team combines a job number with drawing description. Other
teams have multiple projects which contain drawings of the same name
(site.dwg). It gets really scary when someone accidentally moves something.

"melanie stone" wrote in message
news:5187192@discussion.autodesk.com...
if I may be so inquisitive... how highly modified? do you specify the naming
of your contractors' files? etc? (I don't have the NCS, so I'm not sure how
much it specifies, I've heard it's pretty detailed)

Thank you for chiming in. 🙂
Message 8 of 15
beth.luebke-jones
in reply to: Anonymous

...glub, glub ... :o)
Message 9 of 15
autocadguru
in reply to: Anonymous

Hi, Melanie!

Here in the UK, there is a potential move to a standard by the British Institute of Facilities Management (BIFM) but there is not a huge degree of takeup yet.

I think a lot of UK organisations build their own CAD standards in FM as you have done.

I, personally, would like to see more FM CAD standardisation in the UK. It would make my life as a consultant so much easier!!!! (LOL).
Message 10 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

well... I've decided to open myself up to some abuse, and post a message on
the CAD Standards forum on augi... 'Client Standards: How much is too much?'
;)

I'd love to see some FM-geared Standard standards, just to know I'm on the
right track... I've seen some from some other facilities (mainly
universities), which is where I gleaned most of my ideas. But, it's hard to
tell from those what type of person(s) their creator was.
Were they a project manager giving arbitrary standards? Were they a
full-time CAD person with a clear idea of what they needed? Were they
previously employed by a contractor with a clear idea of the project
workflow between companies?

It hadn't escaped my notice that the majority of FM-related articles and
training functions etc are in the UK. Evidently you guys care more about
sustainability than we do here in the US. 😉

~says the girl with no FM classes at her CAD camp~ 😉

wrote in message news:5193890@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi, Melanie!

Here in the UK, there is a potential move to a standard by the British
Institute of Facilities Management (BIFM) but there is not a huge degree of
takeup yet.

I think a lot of UK organisations build their own CAD standards in FM as you
have done.

I, personally, would like to see more FM CAD standardisation in the UK. It
would make my life as a consultant so much easier!!!! (LOL).
Message 11 of 15
JPhelps
in reply to: Anonymous

Melanie,
Having had twenty years in the CAFM industry, I'd like to let you know that CAFM in the USA, including CAD Standards, discussion groups, events, conferences, you name it -have been going on for many years. Yes, CAFM is still a niche area, but more and more colleges are offering four year FM degrees. IFMA is an international organization which has many good programs, and also AFE, AIA, APPA, among others.

Have a great day!
Jan Phelps
Message 12 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Oh, I am familiar a little with those organizations, but, there doesn't seem
to be a lot of activities on discussion boards specifically for CADdies
trying to figure out how best to do things (like there are for so many other
disciplines). Reading any of those cad-geared discussion groups, the vast
majority of the posts are from students working on those degrees, or
questions answered by self-promoters (who've realized how profitable their
knowledge in a niche market could be).

You, too... thanks for chiming in! 🙂

wrote in message news:5219312@discussion.autodesk.com...
Melanie,
Having had twenty years in the CAFM industry, I'd like to let you know that
CAFM in the USA, including CAD Standards, discussion groups, events,
conferences, you name it -have been going on for many years. Yes, CAFM is
still a niche area, but more and more colleges are offering four year FM
degrees. IFMA is an international organization which has many good
programs, and also AFE, AIA, APPA, among others.

Have a great day!
Jan Phelps
Message 13 of 15
JPhelps
in reply to: Anonymous

Melanie,
You are so right! This might be just the place for such discussions! IMHO- CAFM is a topic that is just beginning to be "cool". I think there are quite a few people who are just getting started, or who are taking a second look, and who should not have to reinvent the wheel for such things as typical space types or CADD Standards.

As a part of the league of self-promoters (we are CAFM consultants), I typically will email a person privately with information that I'd rather not share with the masses.

There can be good for all in a forum where everyone is excited about the topic, and honest in their expectations.

In answer to your original question, we generally recommend a modified BOMA that is easier on CAD upkeep- i.e polylines to face of paint, and fewer layers.

To me, CADD Standards need to be written with the end user in mind. I also think that there may need to be different portions of the CADD Standards available based upon job descriptions. Some people need the single page version.

I greatly appreciate your posts!

Jan Phelps
Message 14 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Jan,
I think it is, but, 😉 most of the time it is just me talking to myself
about things I've seen or been thinking about. I get irritated having to
reinvent the wheel because I know that all of the things I am trying to do
have been done before.

I really think the topic of FM is getting more exposure because of the
advent of BIM (why create all of this information in a building model if it
is only used during construction?), and the purchase by adesk of FMdesktop.
Mostly because of the BIM thing though, I've seen soooo much more
information/speculation/planning/training out there recently all dealing
with the topic (google alerts are a handy tool to keep my pulse on things
like that).

The challenge for a facility manager in CADD standards is that you will
either need two sets (one for facilities and one for contractors), or one
that is so broad and vague that both groups can use. And the biggest
challenge is making everyone happy (or not quite so angry at the least 😉 ),
as the architects work far differently than the MEP consultants and space
planners, etc, etc, etc.

:) same to you, thanks.


wrote in message news:5231916@discussion.autodesk.com...
Melanie,
You are so right! This might be just the place for such discussions! IMHO-
CAFM is a topic that is just beginning to be "cool". I think there are
quite a few people who are just getting started, or who are taking a second
look, and who should not have to reinvent the wheel for such things as
typical space types or CADD Standards.

As a part of the league of self-promoters (we are CAFM consultants), I
typically will email a person privately with information that I'd rather not
share with the masses.

There can be good for all in a forum where everyone is excited about the
topic, and honest in their expectations.

In answer to your original question, we generally recommend a modified BOMA
that is easier on CAD upkeep- i.e polylines to face of paint, and fewer
layers.

To me, CADD Standards need to be written with the end user in mind. I also
think that there may need to be different portions of the CADD Standards
available based upon job descriptions. Some people need the single page
version.

I greatly appreciate your posts!

Jan Phelps
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davidehenry
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