Wipeouts

[Anonymous]

I love this new Design Publishing Extension. It's a great way to print a
large set of drawings and to keep a digital record of them as well. I have
the following concerns, however. And I will not be able to use this
extension without at least the first one being addressed.

1. The most glaring, so far, is that wipeouts print as black filled
polygons. Not exactly what is required.

2. In VoloView Express, when printing dwf's, the default scale was 100%.
The new viewer sets this to "Fit to page". While this is very easy to
change, it might lead to infrequent users printing not to scale drawings.

3. Also in VoloView Express, when printing dwf's, the default page size
changed to match the page size of the document. It appears that the new
viewer does not. I have to select a page size manually.

Thanks for any info you might have.

Matt Kolberg

[Anonymous]

Matt:

With regard to wipeouts you may want to try the following instead of using wipeouts in the future:

1. pick an unused color, say 241
2. Assign a 0% screening to it via the plot style manager
3. Create your "wipeouts" using either solid hatches or the solid command
4. Assign color 241 to the new objects.
5. When plotted they will be "white"
6. Use the display order command to place them relative to other objects - behind or in-front.
7. You can even create "white" text this way.

I have not used wipeouts since I started using this method.

Nick

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the comments Nick.  I have heard of
this and have used it on occasion and it works fine, but it's a
workaround.  I'd prefer Autodesk fix it.  Also, when printing, I
need to set merge control on.  With this set to on, the solid or solid
hatch would just become invisible and show the lines underneath.

style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

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Matt:

With regard to wipeouts you may want to try the following instead of using
wipeouts in the future:

1. pick an unused color, say 241
2. Assign a 0% screening to it via the
plot style manager
3. Create your "wipeouts" using either solid hatches or
the solid command
4. Assign color 241 to the new objects.
5. When
plotted they will be "white"
6. Use the display order command to place
them relative to other objects - behind or in-front.
7. You can even
create "white" text this way.

I have not used wipeouts since I started using this method.

Nick

[Anonymous]

I posted over a week ago (see 9/12/2002, Subject: Wipeouts) and got one
response from a user (thanks by the way) Although his reply was good, it
would be nice if someone from Autodesk would at least comment on my problem.
I've noticed that people from Autodesk have commented on others' problems,
so I know you're listening. Could someone please help me, I really like
this new extension, but can't fully use it until my issues are resolved.

[Anonymous]

I am not sure what to tell you. Wipeout is an AutoCAD Runtime eXtension
(ARX) application. Viewers like Volo View Express don't handle ARX
applications. There's this whole DataBase eXtension (DBX) thing with Object
Enablers, which Volo View Express does support, but Wipeout is not a DBX
extension.DWF files were created for the sole purpose of capturing WYSIWYG
output from AutoCAD, so less sophisticated (and smaller to download)
programs could provide a WYSIWYG experience. Now printing, WYSIWYP, is a
harder nut to crack. That problem has been solved in the Reprographics
industry by the LDF format. DWF6 is an attempt to solve that problem for
local printing. So the pieces are falling into place, but none of them
involve having Volo View Express support Wipeout.

"Matt Kolberg" wrote in message
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> I posted over a week ago (see 9/12/2002, Subject: Wipeouts) and got one
> response from a user (thanks by the way) Although his reply was good, it
> would be nice if someone from Autodesk would at least comment on my
problem.
> I've noticed that people from Autodesk have commented on others' problems,
> so I know you're listening. Could someone please help me, I really like
> this new extension, but can't fully use it until my issues are resolved.
>
>

[Anonymous]

I apologize for the slow response. I believe you are the first person to
bring the problem to our attention and we needed some time to investigate
the problem.

The problem is that when the dwf file is published AutoCAD incorectly sets
color on the wipeout object . Someone from the AutoCAD team is looking into
this further.

"Matt Kolberg" wrote in message
news:96E59BC313E71B81CF4723509C1CD8DA@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I posted over a week ago (see 9/12/2002, Subject: Wipeouts) and got one
> response from a user (thanks by the way) Although his reply was good, it
> would be nice if someone from Autodesk would at least comment on my
problem.
> I've noticed that people from Autodesk have commented on others' problems,
> so I know you're listening. Could someone please help me, I really like
> this new extension, but can't fully use it until my issues are resolved.
>
>

[Anonymous]

Ahhh I feel better now. Thanks you very much Ben.
While I have you here I should note that when I set the background
colour in the DWF6.pc3 to black all appears as it should in the viewer.
Wipeouts behave like wipeouts. It doesn't print this way, it still prints
as a black blob, but it looks correct on the screen.
On a side note, when I set the background colour to black, some of the
drawing information is missing in the viewer, but prints properly. Wierd.

Thanks again,
Matt Kolberg

"Ben Cochran" wrote in message
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> I apologize for the slow response. I believe you are the first person to
> bring the problem to our attention and we needed some time to investigate
> the problem.
>
> The problem is that when the dwf file is published AutoCAD incorectly sets
> color on the wipeout object . Someone from the AutoCAD team is looking
into
> this further.
>
> "Matt Kolberg" wrote in message
> news:96E59BC313E71B81CF4723509C1CD8DA@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I posted over a week ago (see 9/12/2002, Subject: Wipeouts) and got one
> > response from a user (thanks by the way) Although his reply was good,
it
> > would be nice if someone from Autodesk would at least comment on my
> problem.
> > I've noticed that people from Autodesk have commented on others'
problems,
> > so I know you're listening. Could someone please help me, I really like
> > this new extension, but can't fully use it until my issues are resolved.
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Thank you, I will pass this information on to the AutoCAD team.



"Matt Kolberg" wrote in message
news:B61E9DE607179C0F9F7BFD4D737BE459@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Ahhh I feel better now. Thanks you very much Ben.
> While I have you here I should note that when I set the background
> colour in the DWF6.pc3 to black all appears as it should in the viewer.
> Wipeouts behave like wipeouts. It doesn't print this way, it still prints
> as a black blob, but it looks correct on the screen.
> On a side note, when I set the background colour to black, some of the
> drawing information is missing in the viewer, but prints properly. Wierd.
>
> Thanks again,
> Matt Kolberg
>
> "Ben Cochran" wrote in message
> news:967271163BB8D3048F9072C4EA647502@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I apologize for the slow response. I believe you are the first person to
> > bring the problem to our attention and we needed some time to
investigate
> > the problem.
> >
> > The problem is that when the dwf file is published AutoCAD incorectly
sets
> > color on the wipeout object . Someone from the AutoCAD team is looking
> into
> > this further.
> >
> > "Matt Kolberg" wrote in message
> > news:96E59BC313E71B81CF4723509C1CD8DA@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > I posted over a week ago (see 9/12/2002, Subject: Wipeouts) and got
one
> > > response from a user (thanks by the way) Although his reply was
good,
> it
> > > would be nice if someone from Autodesk would at least comment on my
> > problem.
> > > I've noticed that people from Autodesk have commented on others'
> problems,
> > > so I know you're listening. Could someone please help me, I really
like
> > > this new extension, but can't fully use it until my issues are
resolved.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

WIPEOUTs are an R2000 solution that still works only in AutoCAD through
R2002, and only if you have it loaded. Unless you only deal with AutoCAD
users with Express Tools, the workaround is a better long term solution if
you plan to keep your files around over the next several releases of
AutoCAD.
Remember, there is no guarantee Express Tools will work with the soon to be
released R2004, and there is no guarantee Autodesk won't develop something
new and unique and totally incompatible with the original WIPEOUT (see some
of the tools already part of R2002 to see what I mean).

Just my 2cents worth.

--
Dean Saadallah
http://www.pendean.com
LT Express Utilities
http://www.pendean.com/ltexpress
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--

"Matt Kolberg" wrote in message
news:B6D97610F627BC9F8C6208ACB2A09DF0@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I love this new Design Publishing Extension. It's a great way to print a
> large set of drawings and to keep a digital record of them as well. I
have
> the following concerns, however. And I will not be able to use this
> extension without at least the first one being addressed.
>
> 1. The most glaring, so far, is that wipeouts print as black filled
> polygons. Not exactly what is required.
>
> 2. In VoloView Express, when printing dwf's, the default scale was 100%.
> The new viewer sets this to "Fit to page". While this is very easy to
> change, it might lead to infrequent users printing not to scale drawings.
>
> 3. Also in VoloView Express, when printing dwf's, the default page size
> changed to match the page size of the document. It appears that the new
> viewer does not. I have to select a page size manually.
>
> Thanks for any info you might have.
>
> Matt Kolberg
>
>

[Anonymous]

I posted a while back about wipeouts. I'm hearing about a new release of
the software and I'm just wondering if this problem will be resolved. My
company would like to use Publish to create digital records of drawing sets
and we use wipeouts a whole bunch. Thanks for any info.
Please forward to mkolberg@urban-systems.com if you could, thanks.

[Anonymous]

Volo View and Volo View Express do not support WipeOuts. When AutoCAD
produces a DWF file from a drawing that uses WipeOuts, I believe the wipeout
is taken into effect before the DWF file is generated. The new Autodesk
Express Viewer supports DWF only, so WipeOuts are not a consideration for
that product. I am not sure what you are expecting in the "new release of
the software."

"Matt Kolberg" wrote in message
news:DCB4271965086282E667B7010916276A@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I posted a while back about wipeouts. I'm hearing about a new release of
> the software and I'm just wondering if this problem will be resolved. My
> company would like to use Publish to create digital records of drawing
sets
> and we use wipeouts a whole bunch. Thanks for any info.
> Please forward to mkolberg@urban-systems.com if you could, thanks.
>
>

[Anonymous]

Thanks, Dean. You're totally correct about Wipeouts being a limited to only
Express Tools users. All of us in the office use the express tools, so
there's no problem. When we send files to people it doesn't matter if they
have the tools or not, so there's no problem there. It would be nice to
have a native object or method that accomplishes the same thing.



"Dean Saadallah" wrote in message
news:93FE6482A73AE0ECE8ADA5786CD889B5@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> WIPEOUTs are an R2000 solution that still works only in AutoCAD through
> R2002, and only if you have it loaded. Unless you only deal with AutoCAD
> users with Express Tools, the workaround is a better long term solution if
> you plan to keep your files around over the next several releases of
> AutoCAD.
> Remember, there is no guarantee Express Tools will work with the soon to
be
> released R2004, and there is no guarantee Autodesk won't develop something
> new and unique and totally incompatible with the original WIPEOUT (see
some
> of the tools already part of R2002 to see what I mean).
>
> Just my 2cents worth.
>
> --
> Dean Saadallah
> http://www.pendean.com
> LT Express Utilities
> http://www.pendean.com/ltexpress
> Expanded Links Pages
> http://www.pendean.com/lt/links.htm
> --
>
> "Matt Kolberg" wrote in message
> news:B6D97610F627BC9F8C6208ACB2A09DF0@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I love this new Design Publishing Extension. It's a great way to print
a
> > large set of drawings and to keep a digital record of them as well. I
> have
> > the following concerns, however. And I will not be able to use this
> > extension without at least the first one being addressed.
> >
> > 1. The most glaring, so far, is that wipeouts print as black filled
> > polygons. Not exactly what is required.
> >
> > 2. In VoloView Express, when printing dwf's, the default scale was
100%.
> > The new viewer sets this to "Fit to page". While this is very easy to
> > change, it might lead to infrequent users printing not to scale
drawings.
> >
> > 3. Also in VoloView Express, when printing dwf's, the default page size
> > changed to match the page size of the document. It appears that the new
> > viewer does not. I have to select a page size manually.
> >
> > Thanks for any info you might have.
> >
> > Matt Kolberg
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

>>>>It would be nice to have a native object or method that accomplishes the
same thing.<<<<

I am hoping it is addressed in this new version coming out this year: it's
too good a feature not to be native.

--
Dean Saadallah
http://www.pendean.com
LT Express Utilities
http://www.pendean.com/ltexpress
Expanded Links Pages
http://www.pendean.com/lt/links.htm
--

[Anonymous]

I think it is being seriously considered for teh next release of Acad!
"Dean Saadallah" wrote in message
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> >>>>It would be nice to have a native object or method that accomplishes
the
> same thing.<<<<
>
> I am hoping it is addressed in this new version coming out this year: it's
> too good a feature not to be native.
>
> --
> Dean Saadallah
> http://www.pendean.com
> LT Express Utilities
> http://www.pendean.com/ltexpress
> Expanded Links Pages
> http://www.pendean.com/lt/links.htm
> --
>
>

[Anonymous]

I've made a discovery regarding wipeouts and the Express Viewer. Maybe
you're already aware, maybe not, but here it is.

Dean Saadallah suggested a workaround where wou essentially replace the
wipeout with a solid or solid hatch and make the solid a color who is set to
print with 0% screening. I did this and it looked great on the screen, but
printed as black rectangles on my HP1055CM plotter. Not dissimilar to what
the wipeouts did.

I had a theory and set the color to print 1% screened. It worked great. I
can still see a few dots where the solid is, but it's acceptable.

So, in conclusion, when using wipeouts the dwf looks like black rectangles
and plots the same. When using solids at 0% screened the dwf looks great,
but plots black rectangles. When using solid at 1% screened the dwf looks
and plots the same, very slightly shaded.

Matt Kolberg

"Matt Kolberg" wrote in message
news:B6D97610F627BC9F8C6208ACB2A09DF0@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I love this new Design Publishing Extension. It's a great way to print a
> large set of drawings and to keep a digital record of them as well. I
have
> the following concerns, however. And I will not be able to use this
> extension without at least the first one being addressed.
>
> 1. The most glaring, so far, is that wipeouts print as black filled
> polygons. Not exactly what is required.
>
> 2. In VoloView Express, when printing dwf's, the default scale was 100%.
> The new viewer sets this to "Fit to page". While this is very easy to
> change, it might lead to infrequent users printing not to scale drawings.
>
> 3. Also in VoloView Express, when printing dwf's, the default page size
> changed to match the page size of the document. It appears that the new
> viewer does not. I have to select a page size manually.
>
> Thanks for any info you might have.
>
> Matt Kolberg
>
>

[Anonymous]

Thanks. This is a great tip. This is a perfect example of how the newsgroup
is supposed to work - one peer helping another.

"Matt Kolberg" wrote in message
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> So, in conclusion, when using wipeouts the dwf looks like black rectangles
> and plots the same. When using solids at 0% screened the dwf looks great,
> but plots black rectangles. When using solid at 1% screened the dwf looks
> and plots the same, very slightly shaded.
>