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joneschester
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CTRL + SELECYTING HYPERLINK

Is there a way to avoid using the "CTRL + Click" when selecting a hyperink, such as the standard click or even double click as VVE?

Why have Autodesk adopted this non-standard way of accessing hyperinks?

Thanks
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Anonymous
in reply to: joneschester

No, and who knows.

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Message 3 of 10
Anonymous
in reply to: joneschester

My guess is that while in AutoCAD you select items
with a single click. If you want to navigate an URL, you use a control click.
Autodesk is laboring under the assumption that the people who use AEV are the
same people who use AutoCAD. I don't think this is the case. If people had
AutoCAD, they would not need DWFs. They could just share DWGs.


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Is
there a way to avoid using the "CTRL + Click" when selecting a hyperink, such
as the standard click or even double click as VVE?

Why have Autodesk adopted this non-standard way of accessing hyperinks?

Thanks

Message 4 of 10
Anonymous
in reply to: joneschester

Obviously there is a great deal of passion on
either side of this topic.  It's certainly easy enough to change in the
code, but then those who prefer the CTRL + Click behavior would be impacted
(this is one of those 80/20 issues.)  It could be user-configurable, but
we've been trying to avoid a need for a "preferences" dialog so that we don't
have to persist any session state to the registry.  The URL clicking
behavior, right now, looks like the only feature state that would be persisted,
and we can't really justify the effort at this point.  Be advised that
we're keenly aware of the issue and are trying to find the right solution for
our next release.

 

FWIW, CTRL + Click is indeed a standard when it
comes to Office and other apps (not that we use those as a guideline - we don't)
but usability studies have shown that the single-click behavior in our viewing
context gets in the way of panning and zooming (which is something you don't see
in a web page).

 

Jeffrey Klug

Autodesk, Inc.


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My guess is that while in AutoCAD you select
items with a single click. If you want to navigate an URL, you use a control
click. Autodesk is laboring under the assumption that the people who use AEV
are the same people who use AutoCAD. I don't think this is the case. If people
had AutoCAD, they would not need DWFs. They could just share
DWGs.


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Is
there a way to avoid using the "CTRL + Click" when selecting a hyperink,
such as the standard click or even double click as VVE?

Why have Autodesk adopted this non-standard way of accessing hyperinks?

Thanks

Message 5 of 10
Anonymous
in reply to: joneschester

I agree. I would never vote for a user preference
at this point. When I type URLs into Excel spreadsheets, I click on them and the
browser fires up. I have never control clicked in my life.


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"Jeffrey Klug (Autodesk)" <jeffrey dot klug at autodesk dot com>
wrote in message
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...

 

FWIW, CTRL + Click is indeed a standard when it
comes to Office and other apps (not that we use those as a guideline - we
don't) but usability studies have shown that the single-click behavior in our
viewing context gets in the way of panning and zooming (which is something you
don't see in a web page).

 

Jeffrey Klug

Autodesk, Inc.


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Message 6 of 10
Anonymous
in reply to: joneschester

Open up word and type
href="http://www.someplace.com">http://www.someplace.com
, then move the
mouse over the URL that you just typed. The tooltip will tell you to CRTL +
click if you wish to navigate to the URL. This is needed because a single click
is used to edit the URL and not navigate to the URL. In the case of EV what does
the user want to do when they left click? Do they want to use the active tool or
do they want to navigate to a URL, both are legitimate operations.


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I agree. I would never vote for a user preference
at this point. When I type URLs into Excel spreadsheets, I click on them and
the browser fires up. I have never control clicked in my life.


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"Jeffrey Klug (Autodesk)" <jeffrey dot klug at autodesk dot com>
wrote in message
href="news:71BE8B729902E4D58DC65038131F1C92@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb">news:71BE8B729902E4D58DC650381...
...

 

FWIW, CTRL + Click is indeed a standard when it
comes to Office and other apps (not that we use those as a guideline - we
don't) but usability studies have shown that the single-click behavior in
our viewing context gets in the way of panning and zooming (which is
something you don't see in a web page).

 

Jeffrey Klug

Autodesk, Inc.


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Message 7 of 10
Anonymous
in reply to: joneschester

Yes, but in AEV or IE or whatever, there is no
other option than to *navigate* to the link. You can't edit a link in AEV so why
not just go there?  I think people are pretty comfortable with the concept
of URLs now and ctrl-click seems to be very confusing. Even XP sets things up
now for single--click access. These items are underlined in the O/S so they look
like--  Wow! ---  URLs....

 

Eric


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Open up word and type
href="http://www.someplace.com">http://www.someplace.com
, then move the
mouse over the URL that you just typed. The tooltip will tell you to CRTL +
click if you wish to navigate to the URL. This is needed because a single
click is used to edit the URL and not navigate to the URL. In the case of EV
what does the user want to do when they left click? Do they want to use the
active tool or do they want to navigate to a URL, both are legitimate
operations.


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

I agree. I would never vote for a user
preference at this point. When I type URLs into Excel spreadsheets, I click
on them and the browser fires up. I have never control clicked in my
life.


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"Jeffrey Klug (Autodesk)" <jeffrey dot klug at autodesk dot
com> wrote in message
href="news:71BE8B729902E4D58DC65038131F1C92@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb">news:71BE8B729902E4D58DC6503...
...

 

FWIW, CTRL + Click is indeed a standard when
it comes to Office and other apps (not that we use those as a guideline -
we don't) but usability studies have shown that the single-click behavior
in our viewing context gets in the way of panning and zooming (which is
something you don't see in a web page).

 

Jeffrey Klug

Autodesk, Inc.


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Message 8 of 10
Anonymous
in reply to: joneschester



size=3>I understand your thoughts, the problem is that EV does do other things
with the left mouse, such as pan and zoom.



size=3> 



size=3>I also like your idea of underlining the URLs, but unfortunately that is
not a solution that woks for everyone. Underlining and changing the color of
text changes drawing and that is not acceptable for many users.



size=3> 



size=3>All of these comments are appreciated and the EV product designer does
read this news group.



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Yes, but in AEV or IE or whatever, there is no
other option than to *navigate* to the link. You can't edit a link in AEV so
why not just go there?  I think people are pretty comfortable with the
concept of URLs now and ctrl-click seems to be very confusing. Even XP sets
things up now for single--click access. These items are underlined in the O/S
so they look like--  Wow! ---  URLs....

 

Eric


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

Open up word and type
href="http://www.someplace.com">http://www.someplace.com
, then move the
mouse over the URL that you just typed. The tooltip will tell you to CRTL +
click if you wish to navigate to the URL. This is needed because a single
click is used to edit the URL and not navigate to the URL. In the case of EV
what does the user want to do when they left click? Do they want to use the
active tool or do they want to navigate to a URL, both are legitimate
operations.


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

I agree. I would never vote for a user
preference at this point. When I type URLs into Excel spreadsheets, I
click on them and the browser fires up. I have never control clicked in my
life.


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"Jeffrey Klug (Autodesk)" <jeffrey dot klug at autodesk dot
com> wrote in message
href="news:71BE8B729902E4D58DC65038131F1C92@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb">news:71BE8B729902E4D58DC65...
...

 

FWIW, CTRL + Click is indeed a standard
when it comes to Office and other apps (not that we use those as a
guideline - we don't) but usability studies have shown that the
single-click behavior in our viewing context gets in the way of panning
and zooming (which is something you don't see in a web
page).

 

Jeffrey Klug

Autodesk, Inc.


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Message 9 of 10
Anonymous
in reply to: joneschester

Also, you can attach a hyperlink to any geometry,
not just text, so how do you underline a circle without the underline look like
geometry?  Further, you can attach a hyperlink to invisible geometry, say a
filled polygon, so that you can link to an "area".  This is the use case
where single click breaks down.  It becomes impossible to pan and zoom when
you have zoomed into such a link area.

 

We have heard the rather passionate feedback and
FWIW, we are looking at a solution for this in the next AEV
release.


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size=3>I understand your thoughts, the problem is that EV does do other things
with the left mouse, such as pan and zoom.



face="Times New Roman" size=3> 



size=3>I also like your idea of underlining the URLs, but unfortunately that
is not a solution that woks for everyone. Underlining and changing the color
of text changes drawing and that is not acceptable for many users.



face="Times New Roman" size=3> 



size=3>All of these comments are appreciated and the EV product designer does
read this news group.



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Yes, but in AEV or IE or whatever, there is no
other option than to *navigate* to the link. You can't edit a link in AEV so
why not just go there?  I think people are pretty comfortable with the
concept of URLs now and ctrl-click seems to be very confusing. Even XP sets
things up now for single--click access. These items are underlined in the
O/S so they look like--  Wow! ---  URLs....

 

Eric


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

Open up word and type
href="http://www.someplace.com">http://www.someplace.com
, then move
the mouse over the URL that you just typed. The tooltip will tell you to
CRTL + click if you wish to navigate to the URL. This is needed because a
single click is used to edit the URL and not navigate to the URL. In the
case of EV what does the user want to do when they left click? Do they
want to use the active tool or do they want to navigate to a URL, both are
legitimate operations.


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

I agree. I would never vote for a user
preference at this point. When I type URLs into Excel spreadsheets, I
click on them and the browser fires up. I have never control clicked in
my life.


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
"Jeffrey Klug (Autodesk)" <jeffrey dot klug at autodesk dot
com> wrote in message
href="news:71BE8B729902E4D58DC65038131F1C92@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb">news:71BE8B729902E4D58DC...
...

 

FWIW, CTRL + Click is indeed a standard
when it comes to Office and other apps (not that we use those as a
guideline - we don't) but usability studies have shown that the
single-click behavior in our viewing context gets in the way of
panning and zooming (which is something you don't see in a web
page).

 

Jeffrey Klug

Autodesk, Inc.


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Message 10 of 10
Anonymous
in reply to: joneschester

I did not imply that the links should be underlined
in acad or volo - that was inferred by someone from my
comments...

 

Eric


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"Jeffrey Klug (Autodesk)" <jeffrey dot klug at autodesk dot com>
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Also, you can attach a hyperlink to any geometry,
not just text, so how do you underline a circle without the underline look
like geometry?  Further, you can attach a hyperlink to invisible
geometry, say a filled polygon, so that you can link to an "area".  This
is the use case where single click breaks down.  It becomes impossible to
pan and zoom when you have zoomed into such a link area.

 

We have heard the rather passionate feedback and
FWIW, we are looking at a solution for this in the next AEV
release.


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">



size=3>I understand your thoughts, the problem is that EV does do other
things with the left mouse, such as pan and zoom.



face="Times New Roman" size=3>



size=3>I also like your idea of underlining the URLs, but unfortunately that
is not a solution that woks for everyone. Underlining and changing the color
of text changes drawing and that is not acceptable for many users.



face="Times New Roman" size=3>



size=3>All of these comments are appreciated and the EV product designer
does read this news group.



style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

Yes, but in AEV or IE or whatever, there is
no other option than to *navigate* to the link. You can't edit a link in
AEV so why not just go there?  I think people are pretty comfortable
with the concept of URLs now and ctrl-click seems to be very confusing.
Even XP sets things up now for single--click access. These items are
underlined in the O/S so they look like--  Wow! ---
 URLs....

 

Eric


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

Open up word and type
href="http://www.someplace.com">http://www.someplace.com
, then move
the mouse over the URL that you just typed. The tooltip will tell you to
CRTL + click if you wish to navigate to the URL. This is needed because
a single click is used to edit the URL and not navigate to the URL. In
the case of EV what does the user want to do when they left click? Do
they want to use the active tool or do they want to navigate to a URL,
both are legitimate operations.


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

I agree. I would never vote for a user
preference at this point. When I type URLs into Excel spreadsheets, I
click on them and the browser fires up. I have never control clicked
in my life.


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
"Jeffrey Klug (Autodesk)" <jeffrey dot klug at autodesk dot
com> wrote in message
href="news:71BE8B729902E4D58DC65038131F1C92@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb">news:71BE8B729902E4D58...
...

 

FWIW, CTRL + Click is indeed a standard
when it comes to Office and other apps (not that we use those as a
guideline - we don't) but usability studies have shown that the
single-click behavior in our viewing context gets in the way of
panning and zooming (which is something you don't see in a web
page).

 

Jeffrey Klug

Autodesk, Inc.


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