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lschmidt
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Dimension Association in Paper Space Scales ?

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08-25-2009 07:28 AM
Is there a way to associate the dimension scale to a different viewport scale? For instance, I have a viewport set at 1-1/2” = 1” and another at 3” = 1”. How do I associate the text and arrows to these scales, so that they end up being the same text/arrow size when in paper space?
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Randy_Culp
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Re: Dimension Association in Paper Space Scales ?

08-25-2009 01:24 PM in reply to: lschmidt
look up scaled annotation

or better yet, place annotation in paperspace where it belongs :smileywink:
*Dean Saadallah
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Re: Dimension Association in Paper Space Scales ?

08-26-2009 05:11 AM in reply to: lschmidt
DIMASSOC, set it to 2: explore that variable in Help, then explore turning
on Annotative features in your text STYLE and your DIMSTYLE. Done.

Or you could go old-school as Randy noted and dimension everything in
paperspace if you never change viewports once created and never plan on
using the modelspace content ever again in any other viewport or another
layout.

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Randy_Culp
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Re: Dimension Association in Paper Space Scales ?

08-26-2009 10:50 AM in reply to: lschmidt
> Or you could go old-school as Randy noted and dimension everything in
> paperspace if you never change viewports once created and never plan on
> using the modelspace content ever again in any other viewport or another
> layout.

We do both quite frequently with little or no trouble, but then again we know how to use the whole tool.
*Dean Saadallah
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Re: Dimension Association in Paper Space Scales ?

08-26-2009 11:05 AM in reply to: lschmidt
I'm sure you do and nothing wrong with it, but with a user not from your
office and with little guidance from you, or any samples and training from
you, it's not the answer to give in a short sentence to someone not familiar
with it.

'Annotative' is documented in the program's Help, in all 3rd party websites
and books, and quite easy to use by simply clicking on a button: the OP can
find and follow through easily.

Provide the OP with a lot more that "do it my way", perhaps link them to a
website or documentation that best describes your full concept.

I honestly don't care if you plot and dimension by hand on the paper: if it
works for you, that's great. there are always better ways, whether you see
it or not.

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Randy_Culp
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Re: Dimension Association in Paper Space Scales ?

08-31-2009 02:07 PM in reply to: lschmidt
Documentation for annotation in paperspace is in the same help files as the annotative documentation, and to quote that very help file:

> Dimension in layouts. This is the simplest dimensioning method. Dimensions are created in paper space by selecting model space objects or by specifying object snap locations on model space objects. By default, associativity between paper space dimensions and model space objects is maintained. No additional scaling is required for dimensions created in a paper space layout: DIMLFAC and DIMSCALE do not need to be changed from their default value of 1.0000.

So as usual the easiest answer is the shortest without all the rigamarole required for annotative dimensioning.

Just cuz' its new, doesn't mean its better or easier.
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RTPrider
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Message 7 of 22 (1,518 Views)

Re: Dimension Association in Paper Space Scales ?

08-09-2010 01:26 PM in reply to: Randy_Culp

I agree with Randy. Part of the reason for little explanation about dimensioning in paper space is due to the fact that there is very little to do to set up for it. Simply set dimassoc=2 and make sure your dimscale and dimlfac are = 1. Then start dimensioning! it does not matter at all what scale your viewports are set to, AutoCAD will take care of it.

 

I make new viewports, modify the model, copy viewports from one layout to another (use copyclip), and spend time much more productively than trying to calculate scales for annotation scaling. Isn't that what they did in the old days on paper? Isn't that how errors creep in too easily? Annotation scaling is just AutoDesk's way of making the folks happy who continue to be scared of paper space after all these years. I wish they would at least try just as hard to make us paperspace users happy.

 

Try dimensioning the different scale viewports in the attached dwg.

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Re: Dimension Association in Paper Space Scales ?

08-11-2010 08:25 AM in reply to: RTPrider

Rtprider, it is my opinion, however, that DIMASSOC=2 is still not yet stable enough to rely on with any certainty. We set DIMASSOC=1 and manipulate DIMLFAC by viewport. It's a little more effort, but our dims don't flake out on xref's or geometry without physical elements at defpoints (center of circle).

 

Had Autodesk spent just a little time fixing the instability of DIMASSOC=2, they could have foregone all the annotative gymnastics completely.

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RTPrider
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Re: Dimension Association in Paper Space Scales ?

08-11-2010 03:24 PM in reply to: Randy_Culp

I didn't know dimassoc=2 had any bugs. I'll keep aware of it now. I wish they would keep the associativity to the solid model when I modify it instead of disassociating the dimensions.

 

Then there are the bugs I love to hate - 3D Hidden  and 3D Wireframe viewstyles. To get past it I set my vieweports to only use 3D Hidden for plotting/printing. Works for me!

 

JP

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Re: Dimension Association in Paper Space Scales ?

08-12-2010 09:12 AM in reply to: RTPrider

I consider it an issue that needs repair, when the dim loses it's associativity for any reason, including editing a solid, or an XREF, especially if they won't re-associate as sometimes occurs with XREF'd circular components.  having to review each drawing prior to plotting severly restricts batch plotting.

 

Other than a sure way to cause problems, I haven't found a use for 3DWireframe

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