Fusion360 is still really slow

Fusion360 is still really slow

jamie.q.white
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Fusion360 is still really slow

jamie.q.white
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I just started designing again after a month fabricating things I designed.

 

Fusion360 is way, way, way too slow.  How about focusing on speed and performance for a few releases before adding more features?  I literally spend 20-25% of my time watching the beachball spin.  Over the day, it adds up to hours of wasted time, a few seconds and minutes at a time.  Probably 2 hours out of an 8 hour day.  Really cuts into productivity when I have to get up for a coffee everytime I open a file.

 

FWIW, A360 and the forums websites are really, really slow.   It's ridiculous. How about improving speed?

 

I've been complaining about speed and performance for years now, and it never seems to improve.

 

Also FWIW, it is not my system: iMac Retina 5k 4 GHz Intel Core i7 w/ 32Gb RAM & AMD Radeon R9 M295X 4096 MB / 40Mbps DSL.  

 

thanks for listening.

 

-jamie

 

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Message 61 of 74

acorn986
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1.pngI think it's because the automatic save time is so fast that it's slow every time I save it.It's faster because I set the maximum number and save it whenever I need it.

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Anonymous
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thank you. do I do that in settings?
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TheCADWhisperer
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@Anonymous wrote:
I am using sketched that I upload from very simple DWG drawings, but when
things are running smoothly, this is never a problem. please advise.

@Anonymous 

Attach dwg file here.

File>Export and then Attach the *.f3d file.

My wager is the issue is not with Fusion, but is in your geometry.

Message 64 of 74

infoMA5R8
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@jamie.q.white wrote:

Hi Phil,

 

I appreciate the help, but the things you're asking me to do take time I really do not have right now. I have no idea how to turn on/off retina and really no time or interest googling around to figure it out. If there are graphics issues, AD needs to fix them. I've already spent more time posting about this that I can really afford right now.

 

 

My problems are not unique, I recently spoke to at least a half dozen designers at the handbuilt bike show who tried F360 and gave up on it for many of the reasons I post about on the forum. Unlike those guys, I can't afford 30K for solidworks and another 15k for a workstation, and I haven't identified a better design software solution.

 

I have gotten to the point where I can usually make F360 work, but it is slow, annoying and painful. I often have to find workarounds for basic functions like snapping to a reference.

 

I wish I could like F360. I want to like it.  In theory it is a great product. In practice, it is a lot of wasted time and frustration with basic things that AD should have fixed by now, given all the new features that AD has had time and resources to add.

 

I've attached my diagnostic files. Here is graphics info.

 

[GPU Information]
GPU Device: AMD Radeon R9 M295X
GPU RAM: 4,096 MB
GPU Driver API: OpenGL

[Graphics Effects Settings]
Use high-resolution graphics: Off
Anti Aliasing: On
Ambient Occlusion: On
Object Shadow: On
Ground Shadow: Off
Ground Reflection: Off
Selection Display Style: Simple
Transparency Effect: Better Performance

[Notes]
The effects could slow down the graphics rendering; try to limit them for optimum performance.

[Limit all effects to provide optimum performance]
Off

 

Here is system info:

 

Hardware Overview:

 

  Model Name: iMac

  Model Identifier: iMac15,1

  Processor Name: Intel Core i7

  Processor Speed: 4 GHz

  Number of Processors: 1

  Total Number of Cores: 4

  L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB

  L3 Cache: 8 MB

  Memory: 32 GB

  Boot ROM Version: IM151.0207.B05

  SMC Version (system): 2.23f11

  Serial Number (system): C02NM02VFY14

  Hardware UUID: ED9D1F0A-44D9-595C-92C2-4B9A0C93950E

 

Hi Phil,

 

I appreciate the help, but the things you're asking me to do take time I really do not have right now. I have no idea how to turn on/off retina and really no time or interest googling around to figure it out. If there are graphics issues, AD needs to fix them. I've already spent more time posting about this that I can really afford right now.

 

 

My problems are not unique, I recently spoke to at least a half dozen designers at the handbuilt bike show who tried F360 and gave up on it for many of the reasons I post about on the forum. Unlike those guys, I can't afford 30K for solidworks and another 15k for a workstation, and I haven't identified a better design software solution.

 

I have gotten to the point where I can usually make F360 work, but it is slow, annoying and painful. I often have to find workarounds for basic functions like snapping to a reference.

 

I wish I could like F360. I want to like it. In theory it is a great product. In practice, it is a lot of wasted time and frustration with basic things that AD should have fixed by now, given all the new features that AD has had time and resources to add.


 

Totally agree with you. Also I am looking for fixes for fusion360 slow performance in speed, and most of the responses you get back don't help with the problem. There are even people who will not accept it if you disagree with something.
While I'm writing this, fusion360 is doing calculations.

Message 65 of 74

TheCADWhisperer
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@infoMA5R8 

Can you File>Export your *.f3d file to your local drive and then Attach it here to a Reply?

This should take me only a minute or two to solve the issue.

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Message 66 of 74

infoMA5R8
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Thanks for your response. I cannot share the 3d model because this is not allowed by my clients. These work with other CAD programs, and usually send me a step file. These files sometimes contain a lot of components.
The step files are linked to the fusion360 file.
I understand that updating the step file requires a lot of computing power and that this can sometimes take a while. I don't mind this because it doesn't happen very often.
What I find annoying is that fusion360 is not fast with large assemblies and that it takes a long time to update 2D drawings (projection and cross-sections). When the UI freezes, the program uses very little of my PC CPU or graphics card.
Furthermore, I was wondering if autodesk has an update for fusion360 that fixes these problems? because apart from these issues and some other issues I love to work with fusion360.

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TrippyLighting
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@infoMA5R8 wrote:

 These files sometimes contain a lot of components.


How many?

What is the geometric complexity of these models?

 

I am generally interested in what industry you work in. My professional background is in custom automated machinery and manufacturing automation. Lots of components, but simple in geometry. But I moved away from the detail design to concept development. For that purpose Fusion 360 is great.

However, even though currently I work for a very small company (40 people), I would not recommend Fusion 360 for our mechanical engineers. We (and 99%of that industry) work with Solid Works and the favorably comparable product in Autodesk's portfolio is Autodesk Inventor.

Lots of components, Weldments, Frame Generator, custom feature libraries. configurations etc.

Lots of tools in the toolbox that make mechanical engineering efficient.

 

You might simply use the wrong product for your purpose. 

My main purpose for Fusion 360, however, is private work. My larger LED lighting systems consist of around 450 mechanical components with many instances of simple geometry. Tho are all natively designed in Fusion 360 and I see no performance problems.

 

Fusion 360's strength I still see in product concept development. Fusion 360 excels in providing easy access to create complex surfaces and shapes (I work a lot with surfacing) that are used in product design industrial design.

 

I think you might be one of these frustrated users who got swayed by Autodesk's marketing tactics, which aggressively target Solid Works a market segment where Solid Works and Autodesk Inventor have a 15-year lead. At least!


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HughesTooling
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@Anonymous wrote:
thank you for your time! i need to print tooth gear with teeth at angle.
1) i create dfx file via external soft and import it. 2) i project imported
sketch on offset plane with little rotation (5.6 degree). 3) i thinking of
do loft operation... extruding not an option here.. am i wrong? picture
attached.
Can you recomend some tutorials for scripting this inside Fusion360?
Thank you!

I know this is an old thread but it just got bumped and I reread your post about creating a helical gear. A more efficient way to create it would be to use sweep with a twist. Also only sketch one tooth. Example below and in the attached file is a modified version of a gear created with the Fusion gear script. You need to add a sketch with the path for the sweep but that's all.

HughesTooling_0-1609767392275.png

 

 

Mark

Mark Hughes
Owner, Hughes Tooling
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TheCADWhisperer
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@infoMA5R8 wrote:

What I find annoying is that fusion360 is not fast with large assemblies and that it takes a long time to update 2D drawings (projection and cross-sections). 


Autodesk Inventor Professional.

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infoMA5R8
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The number of parts sometimes consists of more than 700 parts (sometimes exports of pcb boards), some of which have a fairly simple shape, but also more complex surfaces.
I mainly work in furniture and interior design, but I also draw cabinets for electronics. I use fusion360 mainly for making the working drawings (linked) and fast renders.The Cam module in fusion360 is also very handy.

 

Fusion360 is also useful for steel cabinets because you can easily convert steel parts to flat metal.
(some parts have many air holes. This then takes quite a long time in fusion360)

I also have another question about this. It sometimes happens that fusion360 gives an error that the part cannot be flattened. I found out that sometimes the thickness is very different per surface (for example 0.0000000000000000658 mm). Is there a solution for this? This is very annoying and takes a lot of time.

 

To edit linked (step files) I have to use the following command to make a copy that remains linked:

infoMA5R8_0-1609770889617.png

This command is also not very fast.

I also use Rhino 3D in combination with grasshopper (parametric). I have also used Inventor at school to make parametic furniture (very useful for wood where the thickness of the material is always different.), But Inventor LT simply has a lot less tools than fusion360. (Cam 5 axes, render, sheet metal,...)

 

You write that you only use fusion360 for private use and that all these components are designed in fusion360. I think that's why you don't suffer from a slow-working fusion360. This is not the case with me (many external customers with their own software),therefore the step files must remain linked.
Since I have a paid license for fusion360, I think autodesk should do something about this slow UI response,
since I'm not the only one with this problem.

 

 

 

 

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TrippyLighting
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I use Fusion 360 professionally and privately, but for very different things 😉

My private designs by nature include a lot of imported components such as fasteners and other mechanical components from say from McMaster Carr.

 

I am not entirely sure what you mean by "linked" step files. Are you using the Anycad functionality?

When you are talking about PCBs I am assuming that includes the complete assembly with all passives, ICs, so with all electronic components?

 

I was not referring to Inventor LT. But the full-blown Autodesk Inventor Professional.

 

 


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infoMA5R8
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Yes, I am using the Anycad functionality. The pcb an export to step. I understand that a larger company you work for uses inventor professional, but Inventor professional is just too expensive for the interior, furniture and cabinets. But I see that I am not getting a fix for my problems, this is because it is not with the user but with fusion360. Since the problem is not taken seriously, I don't think there will be a solution from autodesk.

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TrippyLighting
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Don't be so quick to throw out the baby with the bathwater 😉

Not many people that come to this forum work with the Anycad functionality and your workflow seems fairly unique from what I can tell so far.

 

My aim here is to evaluate your workflow and see if there are possible workarounds and techniques you can use to make things possibly faster. The Fusion 360 team is also fully aware that there is a lot of work needed to improve performance, but these changes are not fast by any means and will not help you in the short term. 

 

In my place of employment and the industry we work in SolidWorks dominates the market and that is unlikely to change. I mentioned Autodesk Inventor Professional as it has comparable abilities and is generally less expensive than SW.

 


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infoMA5R8
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@TrippyLighting wrote:

Don't be so quick to throw out the baby with the bathwater


It takes me a lot of time. And I don't often post a question on a forum. This also applies to rhino 3d and grasshopper or for programming in C # / C (EdingCnc controllers, grasshopper,rhino).
I know the anycad function is also available in Inventor. I think the difference is that fusion360 should run on both windows and mac and anycad is only for windows I thought. If so, fusion360 should use the cloud for anycad.
If you know another way to keep the link with a step file in fusion360 please let me know.

 

I also wondered if you know a solution to the previous question:

 

I also have another question about this. It sometimes happens that fusion360 gives an error that the part cannot be flattened. I found out that sometimes the thickness is very different per surface (for example 0.0000000000000000658 mm). Is there a solution for this? This is very annoying and takes a lot of time.

I know this is a different topic, but maybe you know a solution for this?

 

Nice to hear that there is indeed a problem with the performance of fusion360 and that this is being worked on.

Personally, I think that if I have enough money I would rather choose Solidworks than inventor, because at solidworks you have the option to buy a license from autodesk products, this is not possible and I also hear many positive stories about solidworks. Furthermore, I do not need to have the latest version. I do have to learn to deal with a new program, but my confidence in autodesk has decreased in recent years.

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