Richard- You might want to take a new look at ADT.
Ben
"Rodney McManamy - CADzation" wrote in message
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> All in good time. See my earlier post. We'll be working on this also in
> the upcoming months but I'll tell you from a developer that when it comes
to
> commercial software nothing is easy. For Autodesk it's going to have to
> work on 6 different operating systems and probably be in at least 7
> different languages and also be easy enough for the average person to
setup
> (since apparently people don't like to read online help manuals).
>
> I personally think Autodesk has taken the correct path in improving the
> basic viewing and adding the 3D capability first before using resources to
> come up with a general solution for everyone to add intelligence. The
> intelligence is there for the people using the more intelligent programs
> like ADT but that's because the data that is being extracted is much more
> defined than in generic AutoCAD. After all for the intelligent portion to
> work properly the basics have to be done first and have to be solid.
>
> Maybe I can use your marketing blurb for our products. Autodesk is very
> much relying on companies like ours to help push the DWF by tackling the
> other 20% that people need. If they wanted to keep it all to themselves
> they never would have published the full API. We run circles around what
> Adobe can do with PDF from AutoCAD and we hope to do it with DWF also.
But
> we luckily don't have to worry about pleasing millions of customers
> (hopefully in the future our installed base reaches that) or even going
> through planning and approval processes to add in features. If I want it
it
> goes in once we get the time to do it. Check out our AcroPlot Pro
tomorrow
> and we'll have the DWF enabled version that can add intelligent bookmarks
> based on your titleblock attributtes to the DWF just like we've been doing
> for years to the PDF. Contact me in about a month and maybe we'll be
caught
> up enough to start looking at adding the intelligent data to the DWF also
> and I would be glad to listen to how you think it should work. But it'
> summertime and I'm only working 60 hours a week now so it may be closer to
> 6-8 weeks before we can start on it.
>
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> "Richard" wrote in message
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> > Hi Ben,
> > When we first saw the ADT abilities we looked good and hard at it,
so
> > we could
> > try & replicate & include it in basic ACAD.
> > We have not had a great deal of sucess at it however.
> >
> > Bottom line is ADT gave us a taste of something we have wanted for a
> > long time.
> > (BTW before ADT we had tried to implement it via "hyperlinks" with
> some
> > limited success)
> > But the ADT experience simply reinforces that Question "how hard can
> it
> > be to include
> > attributes or xdata or fields info in a DWF?"
> > We don't really care if the info shows in the DWF properties box or
as
> a
> > tooltip.
> > We don't really care if the mouse moves over the objects, or if we
> need
> > to pick on them and have a dialog pop up.
> > We just want "intelligent" publishing.
> >
> > I can almost see the marketing blurb .....
> > "You developed an intelligent design document , now use OUR data
> > publishing tools to publish Intelligent and REALLY usable
> > documents, Why use theirs & publish just basic information, and
> loose
> > all your intelligence.?" ummm ...bit harsh maybe ;-)
> >
> > DWFit => Data With Free InTelligence
> >
> > $0.02
> > (actually I think I'm up to about $2.02 already!.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Ben Cochran" wrote in message
> > news:40f557e9$1_2@newsprd01...
> > > You bring up some very good points about intelligent data. The DWF
> format
> > > and the viewer support much of this today. As you know ADT has the
> ability
> > > to publish this data. If you have the time, you might want to check it
> > out.
> > >
> > > Ben Cochran
> > > Autodesk
> > >
> > > "Richard" wrote in message
> news:40f54683_1@newsprd01...
> > > > Hi Shaan
> > > > Yes was aware of that, but not what I'm (and I think Harry)
where
> > > > looking for.
> > > > The point *I* have been trying to make is we don't want PDF
> relabled
> > > as
> > > > DWF
> > > > DWF could be so much more. It could be "different" and better so
> > > easily.
> > > >
> > > > Just (honestly) ask yourself what you say to someone who is
using
> > > > PDF.....
> > > > First thing that comes to my mind, is "turning Layers on/off"
and
> > > > "support for layouts"
> > > > Both a great use of CAD "Data" - and by "Data" I don't mean
lines
> &
> > > > circles, I mean the
> > > > intelligent info that we all build into our files. Basically
the
> > > > property or symbol table info, the
> > > > stuff that makes CAD , well CAD, rather than just paper (electronic
or
> > > > otherwise)
> > > >
> > > > So now imagine a DWF product that does more.....yea sure it
> measures
> > > > distances with osnaps - great
> > > > But "what if" you could pick on a wall and it reports it's
length,
> > the
> > > > colour its painted and its height.
> > > > Yes I know that the AEC boys (& Girls) are playing with
> this.....but
> > > > "what if" something as simple
> > > > as picking blocks could show (think tooltip if you like) the
> > > attributes
> > > > on a block.
> > > > eg move your mouse over a point and have the height show, or
over
> a
> > > > piece of furniture or bolt
> > > > and have its manufaturer show as the designer documented it.
> > > >
> > > > Like Harry orig said, what is so hard about this? if Layer data
> can
> > be
> > > > embedded with the objects, why not attributes.
> > > > I mean we had Hyperlinks.... And if Attribs work why not
> fields,
> > > > xdata, xrecords.
> > > >
> > > > If DWF supported Layers, Layouts and "Intelligent CAD Data" then
> PDF
> > > > wouldn't even be a consideration IMHO
> > > > Right now DWF is an "also ran" in a electronic doc race which
has
> a
> > > > clear (if less suitable) leader.
> > > > At least that is the view put to us by our clients, and we see
as
> a
> > > > reasonable point of view.
> > > >
> > > > However the way some here view DWF, I get the impression we
might
> > all
> > > be
> > > > better of going back to emailing PLT's or posting paper.
> > > > But some here noted there may be other vested interests at
> > > > play.....ummmmm
> > > >
> > > > Anyhow great for Adesk to jump in. Thanks Shaan.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Shaan Hurley, Autodesk, Inc." wrote in
> > > message
> > > > news:40f540ab$1_2@newsprd01...
> > > > > Just adding to the discussion. There is a DWG read-only viewer
> > included
> > > > with
> > > > > the Autodesk DWF Composer Product.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > -Shaan
> > > > >
> > > > > "Rodney McManamy - CADzation" wrote in
> > message
> > > > > news:40f4abc3$1_1@newsprd01...
> > > > > > Richard,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Harry's original post is that he want a real "DATA" viewer. The
> > real
> > > > Data
> > > > > > viewer is AutoCAD or a native DWG file viewer.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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