Volo View 3 and Design Review and DWF Viewer and... ?????

[iDS!]

Problem:

1) We started using Voloview 4 weeks ago on a project viewing dwg files and saving markups as dwf's

2) We started to receive data sets from our customer that contain IV files and dwf's (pack and go from a vault)

3) We used dwf viewer that loads as default from IV11 series to view latest dwf's and Inventor Viewer for non cad personel to view native inventor files.

4) Just this week I loaded Design Review to test the functionality as an all in one solution for our non cad personel

Work flow: We have developed a work flow that uses a word .doc that we embed dwg's and dwf's, dwf markups and other graphics files as well as pdf's and maintain revs from the word doc (we call DTF) and it is our vehicle to track changes. The deliverable is dwg format so our graphics guys open the embeded files from the DTF to use a ref to create or modify the graphic required.

6) Now we have naticed a problem viewing dwf's that have mark-ups from volovview when viewing them in the Design Review (offset mark-ups to the data)

7) We also noticed the latest DWF's (from IV10) we are receiving do not open in Voloview!

a) Design Review spk1 is loaded

b) Multiple PC's have same issue (10+)

What do you recommend Autodesk?

[Anonymous]

Volo View was obsolete years ago.

http://dwf.blogs.com/beyond_the_paper/2007/03/why_did_autodes.html

Recommendation:

1) Stop using Volo View.

2) Receive data sets from our customer that contain IV files and dwf files
(pack and go from a vault)

3) Use the free Autodesk Design Review to view latest dwf files and the free
Autodesk Inventor View for non cad personnel to view native inventor files.

4) When you need to mark up an Inventor file, you use Inventor View to
publish a DWF file. You markup the DWF file using Autodesk Design Review.

Work flow: Developed a work flow that uses DWF file to maintain revs and
use as your vehicle to track changes. The deliverable is dwf format so our
graphics guys can use the round trip markup processes of AutoCAD and
Inventor to create or modify the graphic required.

wrote in message news:5521603@discussion.autodesk.com...
Problem:

1) We started using Voloview 4 weeks ago on a project viewing dwg files and
saving markups as dwf's

2) We started to receive data sets from our customer that contain IV files
and dwf's (pack and go from a vault)

3) We used dwf viewer that loads as default from IV11 series to view latest
dwf's and Inventor Viewer for non cad personel to view native inventor
files.

4) Just this week I loaded Design Review to test the functionality as an all
in one solution for our non cad personel

Work flow: We have developed a work flow that uses a word .doc that we
embed dwg's and dwf's, dwf markups and other graphics files as well as pdf's
and maintain revs from the word doc (we call DTF) and it is our vehicle to
track changes. The deliverable is dwg format so our graphics guys open the
embeded files from the DTF to use a ref to create or modify the graphic
required.

6) Now we have naticed a problem viewing dwf's that have mark-ups from
volovview when viewing them in the Design Review (offset mark-ups to the
data)

7) We also noticed the latest DWF's (from IV10) we are receiving do not open
in Voloview!

a) Design Review spk1 is loaded

b) Multiple PC's have same issue (10+)

What do you recommend Autodesk?

[iDS!]

Thanks for the response, I do understand the direction and benefits to make the Design Review the tool of choice, however what suggestions do you have to these questions...

How do we batch convert all the existing "older" DWG's to DWF's (1000's of files from an older projects to be used in this project)

...and how do we deal with the Volo View DWF mark-ups that we already have? ...100+ files? ...re-create the mark-ups in design review? Are you aware of the mis-aligned mark-ups when they are created in VoloView and read in Design Review?

Why does Autodesk state on the charts and documentation that Design Review can open DWG's? ...via True View is not using one software!

[iDS!]

...and we now have discovered when using a word doc as our vehicle that the mark-ups do not display in the control view when not activated? The original graphics is displayed until you double click to activate the controler and then you can see the mark-ups 😞

Any suggestions to that?

Note: The word doc is our vehicle and that can not change.

...and the issue we have with inserting the dwf in a word doc as an "icon" has to do with "Adview"??? ...which is what is request to be used to open the "icon" embeded file?

[Anonymous]

If you have many DWG files that need to be converted to DWF, you could
manage them with Vault and have it publish DWF files on demand.
Alternatively you could use a batch process to publish DWF. An example can
be found at:
http://dwf.blogs.com/beyond_the_paper/2006/11/batch_publishin.html. For the
many DWG files that have RML, you might want to print those to the DWF
Writer to publish DWF files. I think you might lose the layer information,
but you will be able to see the geometry and the markups. I would not
painstakingly recreate them in Autodesk Design Review. Autodesk states that
Design Review can open DWG files because File->Import provides a way to do
it from the application. It does require Autodesk DWG True.

wrote in message news:5522787@discussion.autodesk.com...
Thanks for the response, I do understand the direction and benefits to make
the Design Review the tool of choice, however what suggestions do you have
to these questions...

How do we batch convert all the existing "older" DWG's to DWF's (1000's of
files from an older projects to be used in this project)

...and how do we deal with the Volo View DWF mark-ups that we already have?
...100+ files? ...re-create the mark-ups in design review? Are you aware of
the mis-aligned mark-ups when they are created in VoloView and read in
Design Review?

Why does Autodesk state on the charts and documentation that Design Review
can open DWG's? ...via True View is not using one software!

[iDS!]

Thanks 🙂

Your clarity is much appreciated!
Steve

...also when you cut/paste or drag/drop a DWF into a word doc why does the image shown appear to be the "original" of the DWF and not show mark-ups? Secondly how can I print out the markups when printing the word doc? Is this the intended results?

[Anonymous]

When a DWF file is in a Word doc, there is an Active mode and an Inactive
Mode. Active Mode is where you are using the mouse to pan/zoom etc with the
ActiveX Control. The full DWF content is displayed like it normally does.
When the Word doc has a view of the data in Inactive mode, the ActiveX
Control is not involved. Word uses a Windows metafile representation of the
DWF file instead. Alas this does not have the markup information.

wrote in message news:5523233@discussion.autodesk.com...
Thanks 🙂

Your clarity is much appreciated!
Steve

...also when you cut/paste or drag/drop a DWF into a word doc why does the
image shown appear to be the "original" of the DWF and not show mark-ups?
Secondly how can I print out the markups when printing the word doc? Is this
the intended results?

[iDS!]

Great! ...thanks for the help, this should be enough to set our process in motion 🙂

[iDS!]

One last question 🙂

"I would not painstakingly recreate them in Autodesk Design Review"

That's what I'm after, but I think your referring to the DWG format and not the existing DWF's from Voloview that were created! 100 or so...?!?

What's the best way to translate them so that they can be viewed in Design Review and not show mis-alignment between the graphic and the mark-ups?

[Anonymous]

What I am saying is:

1. I would NOT publish new fresh DWF files from the DWG files and mark them
up again using Autodesk Design Review. Though Autodesk Design Review has a
friendly user interface, it would be painstaking to try to recreate the same
markups from the RML using the user interface of Autodesk Design Review.

Instead you should:

1. Publish DWF files, where you don't have an existing DWF file, from your
DWG files using the Sheet Set Manager or a batch process.
2. For DWF files that you have which have no markup or markups from Autodesk
Design Review, keep as is.
3. For DWF files that have markup from Volo View, load them into Autodesk
Design Review and print to the DWF Writer for 2D. You should get a new DWF
file that has the geometry from the DWG and the markup from the RML. The DWF
file will be bigger than a traditional DWF, you may lose the layer info, but
at least you can see the markup.

wrote in message news:5524137@discussion.autodesk.com...
One last question 🙂

"I would not painstakingly recreate them in Autodesk Design Review"

That's what I'm after, but I think your referring to the DWG format and not
the existing DWF's from Voloview that were created! 100 or so...?!?

What's the best way to translate them so that they can be viewed in Design
Review and not show mis-alignment between the graphic and the mark-ups?

[iDS!]

Awesome 🙂 ...we are well on our way updating processes and training each personnel with the new work flow!!!

Thanks for your support! I will be sure to share my info with our local Inventor User Group here in Tampa!

Steve

[iDS!]

...oops!!!

Correction to this workflow!

3. For DWF files that have markup from Volo View, load them into Autodesk
Design Review and print to the DWF Writer for 2D. You should get a new DWF
file that has the geometry from the DWG and the markup from the RML. The DWF
file will be bigger than a traditional DWF, you may lose the layer info, but
at least you can see the markup.

"OPEN IN VOLOVIEW AND PRINT TO THE DWF WRITER 2D" ...this will create a new DWF that will show correct in Design Review!

Thanks for the help Scott!