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*Scott Sheppard
Message 11 of 27 (139 Views)

Re: a dwf composer was include in Autocad2002...

05-01-2004 07:18 AM in reply to: Anonymous
If you are Company B and your business stems around the fact that you review Company A's designs, then $99 is a fair price for your participation in the process. You would recoup that in FedEx costs alone. I remain astounded by the number of businesses that want software for free. If I am building a house, and I decide to buy everything from Home Depot, e.g. cement, bricks, mortar, wood, nails, wires, fixtures, etc., I'd wind up spending a lot of money at Home Depot. Does that mean Home Depot would just throw in some architectural services for free? I am spending so much money at Home Depot, would you think they could afford to have an architect draft out my home design for me? No way. IMHO there is no way DWF Composer should be free. Value is added through the markup, measurement, and round tripping back into AutoCAD. The fact that someone else already bought AutoCAD (cement, bricks, mortar, ...) is not enough. "James Murphy" wrote in message news:4092f40c_2@newsprd01... > I agree there should be someway for Composer to be available to use for a > client with out paying for it. If I'm a developer and have Co. A doing civil > design and Co. B doing Arch design why should I have to pay someone else to > review their designs? If you are Co. A are you willing to buy me a program > to mark up your designs (along with the other 20-30 clients you may have)? > MHO is Composer should be embedded on a firms web page to use and markup any > drawings (DWF) on the web site and only that web site.
*James Murphy
Message 12 of 27 (139 Views)

Re: a dwf composer was include in Autocad2002...

05-01-2004 01:39 PM in reply to: Anonymous
> If you are Company B and your business stems around the fact that you review > Company A's designs, then $99 is a fair price for your participation in the > process. I agree in that case, if I'm a company and it's my business to review someone's else work yes they should pay for it. What I'm wanting is for John Q Public that hires an architectural firm to design his house or office to be able to review the dwgs and mark them up as he needs with out buying anything extra. In this case the composer (as it is now) will only be used one or twice by John Q. Public. A better sample of what I'm want to see is: The Sheppard family has is building a new mansion on the lake, you hired a contractor to build it. The contractor works with a arch firm, a landscape firm and who knows who else. The floor plan is available for you to see on a web site, the contractors web site. You open a page that is set up for you and you only. On that page are the floor plans and maybe some elevation views. You or the wife decide the master bath needs to be changed and a door is in the wrong wall. While on that web page you mark up what changes you want with out having to d/l or install any other programs. Those markup can then be opened by the contractor, the architect and maybe the mechanical firm that is doing the plumbing. Then they either make the changes and repost them or add the comments as to why they can't be changed. The next time you visit the web site you see the notes or changes. The same thing as if the contractor came to your house with a roll of plans and his red pen. You both sit down at the dining room table and you mark up the dwgs with the red pen the contractor brings with him. When he leaves for the day he takes his red pen and goes on over to the Murphy homestead to allow me to mark up the plans for my house. Neither one of us owns the red pen, the contractor does, its his job to make sure it works and is available for us to markup our own house plans. A "Composer" that can be licensed and embedded in a webpage. Licensed and paid for by the website owners. Why can I go to my bank account on line and make a car payment and not have to download or own a copy of QuickBooks or MS Office or any other accounting software? There is a need to do the same for the CAD industry. Murph
*Scott Sheppard
Message 13 of 27 (139 Views)

Re: a dwf composer was include in Autocad2002...

05-03-2004 07:47 AM in reply to: Anonymous
Cool. I'm getting a mansion on a lake... :-) "James Murphy" wrote in message news:40940ae3$1_1@newsprd01... > A better sample of what I'm want to see is: The Sheppard family has is > building a new mansion on the lake, you hired a contractor to build it.... >
*Ben Cochran
Message 14 of 27 (139 Views)

Re: a dwf composer was include in Autocad2002...

05-03-2004 09:24 AM in reply to: Anonymous
This is a nice example, but many times, the pen is left with the customer. The customer feels they are getting a free pen. Actually, the architect purchased the pen from the profits gained by working with the customer. Just my $0.02 Ben "James Murphy" wrote in message news:40940ae3$1_1@newsprd01... > > > > If you are Company B and your business stems around the fact that you > review > > Company A's designs, then $99 is a fair price for your participation in > the > > process. > > I agree in that case, if I'm a company and it's my business to review > someone's else work yes they should pay for it. What I'm wanting is for John > Q Public that hires an architectural firm to design his house or office to > be able to review the dwgs and mark them up as he needs with out buying > anything extra. In this case the composer (as it is now) will only be used > one or twice by John Q. Public. > > A better sample of what I'm want to see is: The Sheppard family has is > building a new mansion on the lake, you hired a contractor to build it. The > contractor works with a arch firm, a landscape firm and who knows who else. > The floor plan is available for you to see on a web site, the contractors > web site. You open a page that is set up for you and you only. On that page > are the floor plans and maybe some elevation views. You or the wife decide > the master bath needs to be changed and a door is in the wrong wall. While > on that web page you mark up what changes you want with out having to d/l or > install any other programs. Those markup can then be opened by the > contractor, the architect and maybe the mechanical firm that is doing the > plumbing. Then they either make the changes and repost them or add the > comments as to why they can't be changed. The next time you visit the web > site you see the notes or changes. The same thing as if the contractor came > to your house with a roll of plans and his red pen. You both sit down at the > dining room table and you mark up the dwgs with the red pen the contractor > brings with him. When he leaves for the day he takes his red pen and goes on > over to the Murphy homestead to allow me to mark up the plans for my house. > Neither one of us owns the red pen, the contractor does, its his job to make > sure it works and is available for us to markup our own house plans. > > A "Composer" that can be licensed and embedded in a webpage. Licensed and > paid for by the website owners. Why can I go to my bank account on line and > make a car payment and not have to download or own a copy of QuickBooks or > MS Office or any other accounting software? There is a need to do the same > for the CAD industry. > > Murph > >
*Jeffrey Klug \(Autodesk, Inc.\)
Message 15 of 27 (139 Views)

Re: a dwf composer was include in Autocad2002...

05-03-2004 09:46 AM in reply to: Anonymous
If I'm not mistaken, if the architect or contractor had a Buzzsaw account, they could easily add another user (the home owner) to the Buzzsaw project for that building site. For years, as part of their account purchase, Buzzsaw users have been able to use DWF markup tools such as VoloView and now DWF Composer. "James Murphy" wrote in message news:40940ae3$1_1@newsprd01... > > > > If you are Company B and your business stems around the fact that you > review > > Company A's designs, then $99 is a fair price for your participation in > the > > process. > > I agree in that case, if I'm a company and it's my business to review > someone's else work yes they should pay for it. What I'm wanting is for John > Q Public that hires an architectural firm to design his house or office to > be able to review the dwgs and mark them up as he needs with out buying > anything extra. In this case the composer (as it is now) will only be used > one or twice by John Q. Public. > > A better sample of what I'm want to see is: The Sheppard family has is > building a new mansion on the lake, you hired a contractor to build it. The > contractor works with a arch firm, a landscape firm and who knows who else. > The floor plan is available for you to see on a web site, the contractors > web site. You open a page that is set up for you and you only. On that page > are the floor plans and maybe some elevation views. You or the wife decide > the master bath needs to be changed and a door is in the wrong wall. While > on that web page you mark up what changes you want with out having to d/l or > install any other programs. Those markup can then be opened by the > contractor, the architect and maybe the mechanical firm that is doing the > plumbing. Then they either make the changes and repost them or add the > comments as to why they can't be changed. The next time you visit the web > site you see the notes or changes. The same thing as if the contractor came > to your house with a roll of plans and his red pen. You both sit down at the > dining room table and you mark up the dwgs with the red pen the contractor > brings with him. When he leaves for the day he takes his red pen and goes on > over to the Murphy homestead to allow me to mark up the plans for my house. > Neither one of us owns the red pen, the contractor does, its his job to make > sure it works and is available for us to markup our own house plans. > > A "Composer" that can be licensed and embedded in a webpage. Licensed and > paid for by the website owners. Why can I go to my bank account on line and > make a car payment and not have to download or own a copy of QuickBooks or > MS Office or any other accounting software? There is a need to do the same > for the CAD industry. > > Murph > >
*Murph
Message 16 of 27 (139 Views)

Re: a dwf composer was include in Autocad2002...

05-03-2004 10:48 AM in reply to: Anonymous
Also that pen has the name and phone number on it and the architect can turn around and write it off as advertisement. Murph "Ben Cochran" wrote in message news:40967227_1@newsprd01... > This is a nice example, but many times, the pen is left with the customer. > The customer feels they are getting a free pen. Actually, the architect > purchased the pen from the profits gained by working with the customer. > > Just my $0.02 > > Ben > > > "James Murphy" wrote in message > news:40940ae3$1_1@newsprd01... > > > > > > > If you are Company B and your business stems around the fact that you > > review > > > Company A's designs, then $99 is a fair price for your participation in > > the > > > process. > > > > I agree in that case, if I'm a company and it's my business to review > > someone's else work yes they should pay for it. What I'm wanting is for > John > > Q Public that hires an architectural firm to design his house or office to > > be able to review the dwgs and mark them up as he needs with out buying > > anything extra. In this case the composer (as it is now) will only be used > > one or twice by John Q. Public. > > > > A better sample of what I'm want to see is: The Sheppard family has is > > building a new mansion on the lake, you hired a contractor to build it. > The > > contractor works with a arch firm, a landscape firm and who knows who > else. > > The floor plan is available for you to see on a web site, the contractors > > web site. You open a page that is set up for you and you only. On that > page > > are the floor plans and maybe some elevation views. You or the wife decide > > the master bath needs to be changed and a door is in the wrong wall. While > > on that web page you mark up what changes you want with out having to d/l > or > > install any other programs. Those markup can then be opened by the > > contractor, the architect and maybe the mechanical firm that is doing the > > plumbing. Then they either make the changes and repost them or add the > > comments as to why they can't be changed. The next time you visit the web > > site you see the notes or changes. The same thing as if the contractor > came > > to your house with a roll of plans and his red pen. You both sit down at > the > > dining room table and you mark up the dwgs with the red pen the contractor > > brings with him. When he leaves for the day he takes his red pen and goes > on > > over to the Murphy homestead to allow me to mark up the plans for my > house. > > Neither one of us owns the red pen, the contractor does, its his job to > make > > sure it works and is available for us to markup our own house plans. > > > > A "Composer" that can be licensed and embedded in a webpage. Licensed and > > paid for by the website owners. Why can I go to my bank account on line > and > > make a car payment and not have to download or own a copy of QuickBooks or > > MS Office or any other accounting software? There is a need to do the same > > for the CAD industry. > > > > Murph > > > > > >
*Murph
Message 17 of 27 (139 Views)

Re: a dwf composer was include in Autocad2002...

05-03-2004 11:12 AM in reply to: Anonymous
I was waiting for someone to bring up Buzzsaw. Same idea but on a smaller scale. What if AutoDesk was to target the small guy by way of the organizations that they may belong to. Most small time home builders will belong to a regional group such as Home Builders of Middle Tennessee. License the product to the organization allowing the builders to use it as part of the membership. But then the big guy that is using Buzzsaw will complain and jump ship. I don't know. But I do know I'm on the DWF/Composer wagon and like it. Murph "Jeffrey Klug (Autodesk, Inc.)" wrote in message news:4096776b$1_3@newsprd01... > If I'm not mistaken, if the architect or contractor had a Buzzsaw account, > they could easily add another user (the home owner) to the Buzzsaw project > for that building site. For years, as part of their account purchase, > Buzzsaw users have been able to use DWF markup tools such as VoloView and > now DWF Composer. > > "James Murphy" wrote in message > news:40940ae3$1_1@newsprd01... > > > > > > > If you are Company B and your business stems around the fact that you > > review > > > Company A's designs, then $99 is a fair price for your participation in > > the > > > process. > > > > I agree in that case, if I'm a company and it's my business to review > > someone's else work yes they should pay for it. What I'm wanting is for > John > > Q Public that hires an architectural firm to design his house or office to > > be able to review the dwgs and mark them up as he needs with out buying > > anything extra. In this case the composer (as it is now) will only be used > > one or twice by John Q. Public. > > > > A better sample of what I'm want to see is: The Sheppard family has is > > building a new mansion on the lake, you hired a contractor to build it. > The > > contractor works with a arch firm, a landscape firm and who knows who > else. > > The floor plan is available for you to see on a web site, the contractors > > web site. You open a page that is set up for you and you only. On that > page > > are the floor plans and maybe some elevation views. You or the wife decide > > the master bath needs to be changed and a door is in the wrong wall. While > > on that web page you mark up what changes you want with out having to d/l > or > > install any other programs. Those markup can then be opened by the > > contractor, the architect and maybe the mechanical firm that is doing the > > plumbing. Then they either make the changes and repost them or add the > > comments as to why they can't be changed. The next time you visit the web > > site you see the notes or changes. The same thing as if the contractor > came > > to your house with a roll of plans and his red pen. You both sit down at > the > > dining room table and you mark up the dwgs with the red pen the contractor > > brings with him. When he leaves for the day he takes his red pen and goes > on > > over to the Murphy homestead to allow me to mark up the plans for my > house. > > Neither one of us owns the red pen, the contractor does, its his job to > make > > sure it works and is available for us to markup our own house plans. > > > > A "Composer" that can be licensed and embedded in a webpage. Licensed and > > paid for by the website owners. Why can I go to my bank account on line > and > > make a car payment and not have to download or own a copy of QuickBooks or > > MS Office or any other accounting software? There is a need to do the same > > for the CAD industry. > > > > Murph > > > > > >
*Ben Cochran
Message 18 of 27 (139 Views)

Re: a dwf composer was include in Autocad2002...

05-03-2004 12:11 PM in reply to: Anonymous
This level of customization might also be possible with Viewer/Composer. Ben "Murph" wrote in message news:4096854e$1_2@newsprd01... > Also that pen has the name and phone number on it and the architect can turn > around and write it off as advertisement. > > Murph > > "Ben Cochran" wrote in message news:40967227_1@newsprd01... > > This is a nice example, but many times, the pen is left with the customer. > > The customer feels they are getting a free pen. Actually, the architect > > purchased the pen from the profits gained by working with the customer. > > > > Just my $0.02 > > > > Ben > > > > > > "James Murphy" wrote in message > > news:40940ae3$1_1@newsprd01... > > > > > > > > > > If you are Company B and your business stems around the fact that you > > > review > > > > Company A's designs, then $99 is a fair price for your participation > in > > > the > > > > process. > > > > > > I agree in that case, if I'm a company and it's my business to review > > > someone's else work yes they should pay for it. What I'm wanting is for > > John > > > Q Public that hires an architectural firm to design his house or office > to > > > be able to review the dwgs and mark them up as he needs with out buying > > > anything extra. In this case the composer (as it is now) will only be > used > > > one or twice by John Q. Public. > > > > > > A better sample of what I'm want to see is: The Sheppard family has is > > > building a new mansion on the lake, you hired a contractor to build it. > > The > > > contractor works with a arch firm, a landscape firm and who knows who > > else. > > > The floor plan is available for you to see on a web site, the > contractors > > > web site. You open a page that is set up for you and you only. On that > > page > > > are the floor plans and maybe some elevation views. You or the wife > decide > > > the master bath needs to be changed and a door is in the wrong wall. > While > > > on that web page you mark up what changes you want with out having to > d/l > > or > > > install any other programs. Those markup can then be opened by the > > > contractor, the architect and maybe the mechanical firm that is doing > the > > > plumbing. Then they either make the changes and repost them or add the > > > comments as to why they can't be changed. The next time you visit the > web > > > site you see the notes or changes. The same thing as if the contractor > > came > > > to your house with a roll of plans and his red pen. You both sit down at > > the > > > dining room table and you mark up the dwgs with the red pen the > contractor > > > brings with him. When he leaves for the day he takes his red pen and > goes > > on > > > over to the Murphy homestead to allow me to mark up the plans for my > > house. > > > Neither one of us owns the red pen, the contractor does, its his job to > > make > > > sure it works and is available for us to markup our own house plans. > > > > > > A "Composer" that can be licensed and embedded in a webpage. Licensed > and > > > paid for by the website owners. Why can I go to my bank account on line > > and > > > make a car payment and not have to download or own a copy of QuickBooks > or > > > MS Office or any other accounting software? There is a need to do the > same > > > for the CAD industry. > > > > > > Murph > > > > > > > > > > > >
*DFrank
Message 19 of 27 (139 Views)

Re: a dwf composer was include in Autocad2002...

05-04-2004 04:44 AM in reply to: Anonymous
I may be wayyyyy off base here, but... It's always been my opinion (for what that's worth) that AutoCAD became the de facto CAD standard because one could install a single copy of AutoCAD on multiple systems (basically, pirate) years ago when you could not do that with Integraph/Microstation. Therefore, people did that - over and over and over... Therefore, more companies used it because it had a lower cost per system. Autodesk basically took over the market with quasi-free software, that they would recoup the cost of later. Simply genius if it's true. -- Doug "Scott Sheppard" wrote in message news:4093b1d4_1@newsprd01... > If you are Company B and your business stems around the fact that you review > Company A's designs, then $99 is a fair price for your participation in the > process. You would recoup that in FedEx costs alone. I remain astounded by > the number of businesses that want software for free. If I am building a > house, and I decide to buy everything from Home Depot, e.g. cement, bricks, > mortar, wood, nails, wires, fixtures, etc., I'd wind up spending a lot of > money at Home Depot. Does that mean Home Depot would just throw in some > architectural services for free? I am spending so much money at Home Depot, > would you think they could afford to have an architect draft out my home > design for me? No way. IMHO there is no way DWF Composer should be free. > Value is added through the markup, measurement, and round tripping back into > AutoCAD. The fact that someone else already bought AutoCAD (cement, bricks, > mortar, ...) is not enough. > > "James Murphy" wrote in message > news:4092f40c_2@newsprd01... > > I agree there should be someway for Composer to be available to use for a > > client with out paying for it. If I'm a developer and have Co. A doing > civil > > design and Co. B doing Arch design why should I have to pay someone else > to > > review their designs? If you are Co. A are you willing to buy me a program > > to mark up your designs (along with the other 20-30 clients you may have)? > > MHO is Composer should be embedded on a firms web page to use and markup > any > > drawings (DWF) on the web site and only that web site. > >
*Michael Goossens
Message 20 of 27 (139 Views)

Re: a dwf composer was include in Autocad2002...

05-04-2004 06:06 AM in reply to: Anonymous
I thing it's true, it's my opinion too ! So if Autodesk give me license for dwf composer, I agree keeping this format for our publications. If not, I'll make pub for adobe using pdf files. Only special features have be $, not tools for publishing that do advertise for Autodesk (if Autodesk wants really make money and keep alive dwf format)
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