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*Dave Drahn
Message 11 of 34 (64 Views)

Re: you are not worth...

01-31-2007 02:09 PM in reply to: *MJ
Any chance you'd looking consider anything in Stockton (CA), Orange County
(CA) or Phoenix?


"MJ" wrote in message news:5470529@discussion.autodesk.com...
So get the big yearly review. For the past 5 years you have been doing the
job of Drafter/cad man/IT/trouble shooter in a 45 person firm. You track the
hours of each job you do and come up with a pay increase to get you above
what a drafter in your area makes and more in line with the job you do. The
response from the uppers is "we can't have you making as much as an
architect"...... talk about make the jaw hit the floor.
*Dave Drahn
Message 12 of 34 (64 Views)

Re: you are not worth...

01-31-2007 02:10 PM in reply to: *MJ
Actually this was directed at you, kemp:
Any chance you'd looking consider anything in Stockton (CA), Orange County
(CA) or Phoenix?

"kemp" wrote in message news:5470742@discussion.autodesk.com...
I would continue doing what you are doing, because learning more skills
makes you more valuable. Settling back into a drafting position will be
counterproductive for your future. The only difference is you should
consider taking these skills to another firm. I am in a similar ship,
and preparing to take the jump to another firm. Good luck matey!

MJ wrote:
> "If you're only making what other drafters earn, then why take on all the
> other responsibility? Just go back to full-time drafting (unless you
> really
> want to do the IT/CAD stuff).'
>
> I like doing that work more then drafting. But if they are not going to
> pay
> for it then I feel I shouldn't do it.
>
> "I used to be in the IT/CAD field, but there is no appreciation for what
> is
> done. I realised there was no way to progress in money or respect unless
> it's through project work, certainly not IT. I came up with processes to
> improve everyone's productivity and it's 'ho hum' to them, but do 1 pretty
> rendering and it's 'wow, you're worth more money'."
>
> You are right, it's always a slap on the back and a "good job, we
> appreciate
> that", but that doesn't pay the bills. Maybe I'll just start doing
> drafting
> and then when they want something else done send them a bill for the work
> done.
*MJ
Message 13 of 34 (64 Views)

Re: you are not worth...

01-31-2007 02:20 PM in reply to: *MJ
Ouch, pour salt on the open wound.

"Dave Drahn" wrote in message
news:5470803@discussion.autodesk.com...
Actually this was directed at you, kemp:
Any chance you'd looking consider anything in Stockton (CA), Orange County
(CA) or Phoenix?

"kemp" wrote in message news:5470742@discussion.autodesk.com...
I would continue doing what you are doing, because learning more skills
makes you more valuable. Settling back into a drafting position will be
counterproductive for your future. The only difference is you should
consider taking these skills to another firm. I am in a similar ship,
and preparing to take the jump to another firm. Good luck matey!

MJ wrote:
> "If you're only making what other drafters earn, then why take on all the
> other responsibility? Just go back to full-time drafting (unless you
> really
> want to do the IT/CAD stuff).'
>
> I like doing that work more then drafting. But if they are not going to
> pay
> for it then I feel I shouldn't do it.
>
> "I used to be in the IT/CAD field, but there is no appreciation for what
> is
> done. I realised there was no way to progress in money or respect unless
> it's through project work, certainly not IT. I came up with processes to
> improve everyone's productivity and it's 'ho hum' to them, but do 1 pretty
> rendering and it's 'wow, you're worth more money'."
>
> You are right, it's always a slap on the back and a "good job, we
> appreciate
> that", but that doesn't pay the bills. Maybe I'll just start doing
> drafting
> and then when they want something else done send them a bill for the work
> done.
*kemp
Message 14 of 34 (64 Views)

Re: you are not worth...

01-31-2007 02:49 PM in reply to: *MJ
Dave, I currently reside in Phoenix, and would definately consider
relocation - especially to O.C.!

Dave Drahn wrote:
> Actually this was directed at you, kemp:
> Any chance you'd looking consider anything in Stockton (CA), Orange County
> (CA) or Phoenix?
>
> "kemp" wrote in message news:5470742@discussion.autodesk.com...
> I would continue doing what you are doing, because learning more skills
> makes you more valuable. Settling back into a drafting position will be
> counterproductive for your future. The only difference is you should
> consider taking these skills to another firm. I am in a similar ship,
> and preparing to take the jump to another firm. Good luck matey!
>
> MJ wrote:
>> "If you're only making what other drafters earn, then why take on all the
>> other responsibility? Just go back to full-time drafting (unless you
>> really
>> want to do the IT/CAD stuff).'
>>
>> I like doing that work more then drafting. But if they are not going to
>> pay
>> for it then I feel I shouldn't do it.
>>
>> "I used to be in the IT/CAD field, but there is no appreciation for what
>> is
>> done. I realised there was no way to progress in money or respect unless
>> it's through project work, certainly not IT. I came up with processes to
>> improve everyone's productivity and it's 'ho hum' to them, but do 1 pretty
>> rendering and it's 'wow, you're worth more money'."
>>
>> You are right, it's always a slap on the back and a "good job, we
>> appreciate
>> that", but that doesn't pay the bills. Maybe I'll just start doing
>> drafting
>> and then when they want something else done send them a bill for the work
>> done.
*Dave Drahn
Message 15 of 34 (64 Views)

Re: you are not worth...

01-31-2007 03:03 PM in reply to: *MJ
Dang. Sorry. Let me try to wrench my foot out of my mouth. We're a civil
(hydraulics and hydrology) firm but will definitely consider you, too MJ -
unless MJ is Mike Jackson, then posssibly not.
Get me a resume if you're serious.

"MJ" wrote in message news:5470816@discussion.autodesk.com...
Ouch, pour salt on the open wound.

"Dave Drahn" wrote in message
news:5470803@discussion.autodesk.com...
Actually this was directed at you, kemp:
Any chance you'd looking consider anything in Stockton (CA), Orange County
(CA) or Phoenix?

"kemp" wrote in message news:5470742@discussion.autodesk.com...
I would continue doing what you are doing, because learning more skills
makes you more valuable. Settling back into a drafting position will be
counterproductive for your future. The only difference is you should
consider taking these skills to another firm. I am in a similar ship,
and preparing to take the jump to another firm. Good luck matey!

MJ wrote:
> "If you're only making what other drafters earn, then why take on all the
> other responsibility? Just go back to full-time drafting (unless you
> really
> want to do the IT/CAD stuff).'
>
> I like doing that work more then drafting. But if they are not going to
> pay
> for it then I feel I shouldn't do it.
>
> "I used to be in the IT/CAD field, but there is no appreciation for what
> is
> done. I realised there was no way to progress in money or respect unless
> it's through project work, certainly not IT. I came up with processes to
> improve everyone's productivity and it's 'ho hum' to them, but do 1 pretty
> rendering and it's 'wow, you're worth more money'."
>
> You are right, it's always a slap on the back and a "good job, we
> appreciate
> that", but that doesn't pay the bills. Maybe I'll just start doing
> drafting
> and then when they want something else done send them a bill for the work
> done.
*Dave Drahn
Message 16 of 34 (64 Views)

Re: you are not worth...

01-31-2007 03:05 PM in reply to: *MJ
Get me a resume if you're interested.


"kemp" wrote in message news:5470824@discussion.autodesk.com...
Dave, I currently reside in Phoenix, and would definately consider
relocation - especially to O.C.!

Dave Drahn wrote:
> Actually this was directed at you, kemp:
> Any chance you'd looking consider anything in Stockton (CA), Orange County
> (CA) or Phoenix?
>
> "kemp" wrote in message
> news:5470742@discussion.autodesk.com...
> I would continue doing what you are doing, because learning more skills
> makes you more valuable. Settling back into a drafting position will be
> counterproductive for your future. The only difference is you should
> consider taking these skills to another firm. I am in a similar ship,
> and preparing to take the jump to another firm. Good luck matey!
>
> MJ wrote:
>> "If you're only making what other drafters earn, then why take on all the
>> other responsibility? Just go back to full-time drafting (unless you
>> really
>> want to do the IT/CAD stuff).'
>>
>> I like doing that work more then drafting. But if they are not going to
>> pay
>> for it then I feel I shouldn't do it.
>>
>> "I used to be in the IT/CAD field, but there is no appreciation for what
>> is
>> done. I realised there was no way to progress in money or respect unless
>> it's through project work, certainly not IT. I came up with processes to
>> improve everyone's productivity and it's 'ho hum' to them, but do 1
>> pretty
>> rendering and it's 'wow, you're worth more money'."
>>
>> You are right, it's always a slap on the back and a "good job, we
>> appreciate
>> that", but that doesn't pay the bills. Maybe I'll just start doing
>> drafting
>> and then when they want something else done send them a bill for the work
>> done.
*kemp
Message 17 of 34 (64 Views)

Re: you are not worth...

01-31-2007 03:13 PM in reply to: *MJ
Thanks Dave, I'll dust off and polish my old resume tonight.

Dave Drahn wrote:
> Get me a resume if you're interested.
>
>
> "kemp" wrote in message news:5470824@discussion.autodesk.com...
> Dave, I currently reside in Phoenix, and would definately consider
> relocation - especially to O.C.!
>
> Dave Drahn wrote:
>> Actually this was directed at you, kemp:
>> Any chance you'd looking consider anything in Stockton (CA), Orange County
>> (CA) or Phoenix?
>>
>> "kemp" wrote in message
>> news:5470742@discussion.autodesk.com...
>> I would continue doing what you are doing, because learning more skills
>> makes you more valuable. Settling back into a drafting position will be
>> counterproductive for your future. The only difference is you should
>> consider taking these skills to another firm. I am in a similar ship,
>> and preparing to take the jump to another firm. Good luck matey!
>>
>> MJ wrote:
>>> "If you're only making what other drafters earn, then why take on all the
>>> other responsibility? Just go back to full-time drafting (unless you
>>> really
>>> want to do the IT/CAD stuff).'
>>>
>>> I like doing that work more then drafting. But if they are not going to
>>> pay
>>> for it then I feel I shouldn't do it.
>>>
>>> "I used to be in the IT/CAD field, but there is no appreciation for what
>>> is
>>> done. I realised there was no way to progress in money or respect unless
>>> it's through project work, certainly not IT. I came up with processes to
>>> improve everyone's productivity and it's 'ho hum' to them, but do 1
>>> pretty
>>> rendering and it's 'wow, you're worth more money'."
>>>
>>> You are right, it's always a slap on the back and a "good job, we
>>> appreciate
>>> that", but that doesn't pay the bills. Maybe I'll just start doing
>>> drafting
>>> and then when they want something else done send them a bill for the work
>>> done.
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Message 18 of 34 (64 Views)

Re: you are not worth...

01-31-2007 03:31 PM in reply to: *MJ
Whats the name of the company?
*Dave Drahn
Message 19 of 34 (64 Views)

Re: you are not worth...

01-31-2007 04:29 PM in reply to: *MJ
http://www.p-a-c-e.com

Besides the very good benefits package, we also have a nice ongoing
committment to in house training in place in case you want to learn how
'they' go about designing for open channel hydraulics. pressure piping
systems, pump design and pump selection, industrial electrical systems, CAD,
LDT, C3D, river sediment transport, hydraulic physical modeling, wetland
systems, bio-filtration for water purification, lake design, lake
biology/ecology, etc etc. Actually passing a certain number of 'credits'
(during work hours, unless you decide to test on one of the pre-recorded
courses) is required to be eligible for the bi-annual bonus.

So if you don't lke learning new stuff, it would be a tough place to work.

wrote in message
news:5470900@discussion.autodesk.com...
Whats the name of the company?
*Don Reichle
Message 20 of 34 (64 Views)

Re: you are not worth...

01-31-2007 08:52 PM in reply to: *MJ
Hah!

"Send them a bill..."

That's a good one!

I'm thinking you might expect payment on that invoice just about the time
that Hell freezes over - maybe?

--
Don Reichle
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not training your staff, and having them stay." :-o
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"MJ" wrote in message news:5470642@discussion.autodesk.com...
"If you're only making what other drafters earn, then why take on all the
other responsibility? Just go back to full-time drafting (unless you really
want to do the IT/CAD stuff).'

I like doing that work more then drafting. But if they are not going to pay
for it then I feel I shouldn't do it.

"I used to be in the IT/CAD field, but there is no appreciation for what is
done. I realised there was no way to progress in money or respect unless
it's through project work, certainly not IT. I came up with processes to
improve everyone's productivity and it's 'ho hum' to them, but do 1 pretty
rendering and it's 'wow, you're worth more money'."

You are right, it's always a slap on the back and a "good job, we appreciate
that", but that doesn't pay the bills. Maybe I'll just start doing drafting
and then when they want something else done send them a bill for the work
done.
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