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*melanie stone
Post 41 of 50

Re: Why Melanie, WHY???

01-17-2007 11:39 AM in reply to: *kemp
:-) Thanks much.


~takes a bow... ripping sound is heard~ whoops ;-p

--
Melanie Perry
***not all who wander are lost***
http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com/

wrote in message news:5454722@discussion.autodesk.com...
Ditto, thanks for all your hard work on that. And thanks for the great
attitude.
*Jerry G
Post 42 of 50

Re: Why Melanie, WHY???

01-17-2007 12:43 PM in reply to: *kemp
uh lasers maybe?

Dustin wrote:
> can you even buy B&W printers still? :smileywink:
>
> "clintonG" wrote in message
> news:5454608@discussion.autodesk.com...
> Drop the colored ink on these pdfs. The use of colors wastes ink when the
> use of color serves no functional purpose.
>
> <%= Clinton Gallagher
> NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
> URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
> MAP http://wikimapia.org/#y=43038073&x=-88043838&z=17&l=0&m=h
>
>
> "kemp" wrote in message news:5453623@discussion.autodesk.com...
> Why did you have to go and create the salary survey that shows I am
> getting paid 18k less than others in my region for my job?
>
> Now you've gone and got me all depressed...lol
*Dennis Jeffrey
Post 43 of 50

Re: Why Melanie, WHY???

01-17-2007 02:38 PM in reply to: *kemp
I can help you on the database side... do it all the time.

Dennis

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Inventor AIP11 sp2
Dennis Jeffrey, AICE, MICE
Center for Design Excellence
260-312-6188
wrote in message news:5454004@discussion.autodesk.com...
Where is this salary survey? I'd like to take a look at it.
Thanks
Wayne

Re: Why Melanie, WHY???

01-17-2007 03:33 PM in reply to: *kemp
From Calvin & Hobbes...classic:

Calvin: Dad, how come old photographs are always black and white? Didn't
they have color film back then?
Dad: Sure they did. In fact, those old photographs ARE in color. It's just
the WORLD was black and white then.

C: Really?
D: Yep. The world didn't turn color until sometime in the 1930s, and it was
pretty grainy color for a while, too.

C: That's really weird.
D: Well, truth is stranger than fiction.

C: But then why are old PAINTINGS in color?! If the world was black and
white, wouldn't artists have painted it that way?
D: Not necessarily. A lot of great artists were insane.

C: But... but how could they have painted in color anyway? Wouldn't their
paints have been shades of gray back then?
D: Of course, but they turned colors like everything else in the '30s.

C: So why didn't old black and white photos turn color too?
D: Because they were color pictures of black and white, remember?

clintong must be stuck in 1929
*R.K. McSwain
Post 45 of 50

Re: Why Melanie, WHY???

01-18-2007 05:21 AM in reply to: *kemp
kemp said the following On 1/16/2007 4:50 PM:
> Why did you have to go and create the salary survey that shows I am
> getting paid 18k less than others in my region for my job?
>
> Now you've gone and got me all depressed...lol

What true % of the "others in your region" participated in this survey
though?

You also have to take into consideration that of the roughly 8000 or so
participants (worldwide), was this a true representative sampling of all
the CAD users worldwide? The smaller the sampling, the more skewed the
numbers tend to be.



--
R.K. McSwain
http://rkmcswain.blogspot.com
*melanie stone
Post 46 of 50

Re: Why Melanie, WHY???

01-18-2007 05:46 AM in reply to: *kemp
Really? drop me a line and we'll chat.
I'm not sure who else would be involved, like the company who handles the
website, for sure.
Let me know any technical details (even though I won't understand them) and
I might put it to the AUGI board for discussion when I see them this
weekend.

Thanks! :-)

mstonegatewayaug
at
yahoo
dot
com

oh, disclaimer: you do realize this is VOLUNTEER work, anything we do is not
monetarily (or otherwise) compensated, right?

--
Melanie Perry
***not all who wander are lost***
http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com/

"Dennis Jeffrey" wrote in message
news:5455169@discussion.autodesk.com...
I can help you on the database side... do it all the time.

Dennis

--
Inventor AIP11 sp2
Dennis Jeffrey, AICE, MICE
Center for Design Excellence
260-312-6188
wrote in message news:5454004@discussion.autodesk.com...
Where is this salary survey? I'd like to take a look at it.
Thanks
Wayne

Re: Why Melanie, WHY???

01-18-2007 07:38 AM in reply to: *kemp
R.K. McSwain wrote:
> kemp said the following On 1/16/2007 4:50 PM:
>> Why did you have to go and create the salary survey that shows I am
>> getting paid 18k less than others in my region for my job?
>>
>> Now you've gone and got me all depressed...lol
>
> What true % of the "others in your region" participated in this survey
> though?
>
> You also have to take into consideration that of the roughly 8000 or so
> participants (worldwide), was this a true representative sampling of all
> the CAD users worldwide? The smaller the sampling, the more skewed the
> numbers tend to be.

The largest number of responses in this survey come from my field, and
position. Also, I am located in the largest metropolitan area of my
region (although only 9% of responses came from my region). So what I
take from this is that the average number in this survey ($60,812) may
actually be a touch on the low side.
*pkirill
Post 48 of 50

Re: Why Melanie, WHY???

01-18-2007 08:07 AM in reply to: *kemp
If you want to know how much a "designer-who-programs" should make, then
what you are looking for is a "hybrid job report". Salary. com will do them
as part of their paid package, but it's just as easy to do it yourself using
the free salary data they provide. Or use any other data you can find.

Basically you want to start with your current job description and salary -
for conservative numbers, you might get farther through a discussion if you
use the starting salary for your position instead of adding in any raises
you've earned along the way. Now take that description and figure out what
percentage of your time is spent doing that. If you have access to past time
records and you logged programming time separately from design time that
helps with justification of the percentage. Now go to salary.com (or
wherever) and find a job that matches your programming
duties/responsibilities. take that description and figure out what percetage
of your duties are spent doing that. Repeat for any other specific duty sets
you perform. Now take your percentages and apply that to the salaries and
add them up. That's the salary you should be making.

For example (using round numbers), you spend 75% of your time designing and
25% programming. A desginer in your firm starts at $50K. Programmer at your
level makes $100K. 0.75*50,000 = $37,500; 0.25*100,000 = $25,000

$37,500 + $25,000 = $62,500

With a well laid out hybrid report, you stand a much better chance of
getting an increase based on the additional duties than without it. A good
report includes relevent documentation and justification for the salaries.
If you aready have a programmer" type position in your firm, I'd suggest
using that. Anther advantage of the hybrid report is that the company
doesn't need to create whole new positions and titles everytime someone
steps outside their basic role. (You might remain "CAD Operator" but perhaps
have the informal addition of "CAD/Systems Operator".) Often this can be the
thing holding up any change in salary structure.

If you've received any bonuses specifically based on the results of you
programs, they may see this as the "adequate compensation" and that a raise
is not necessary or warranted. They may also see the programs you've written
as "one-shot-deals", meaning they don't mean to utilize that skill set on a
regular basis. Based on your posts, however, it seems they are continuing to
use you in this capacity - whether they realize it or not.

HTH

wrote in message news:5454415@discussion.autodesk.com...
Years ago as I sat in an Avatech training facility working on a lesson, I
watched the instructor begin to build a macro for one of there customers. I
said to myself.wow I got learn how to do that!! Since then I have taken it
upon myself to learn as much as I could. I originally came up with macro
driven masters for my company. The result over the last two years has been
in excess of 2.6 million dollars generated from the macro's (and yes the
macro logs each user, job valu
e and qty into an access database just for this purpose).
For two consecutive years I ask for such increases that will put me into the
range of salary as shown here: http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151031.htm
. My employer informs me that I am not an "Application Engineer". That would
be someone who sells Autodesk software. Is this true? I believe there must
be some middle ground for a designer who writes his/her own macros for the
benefit of the company. In answer to
your questions:

How much of that are you asked by your employer to do?

None.they clueless as to how to automate drawings or BOM's.

And when you were hired (or anywhere along the way with this employer) was
there any reference given to this type situation? As in - If you see this
type of need, are you able to help us fulfill it?

Only as of late are they starting to see the light, and asking, "Can you do
this?"

I am grateful for the overt
ime they let me work, however if I made more $$ per hr, perhaps I could work
less. Also Application Engineer sounds better than Cad operator. I guess in
short I'm looking for money and recognition. Am I nuts or what??
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Post 49 of 50

Re: Why Melanie, WHY???

01-30-2007 11:24 AM in reply to: *kemp
Hey clintonG you making a joke??? If so your not funny!!! The colors definitely serve a function.

My only complaint would be the consistency of the colors; from the ones shown on the map with those shown on the bar graphs. Otherwise great job Melanie!!!
*melanie stone
Post 50 of 50

Re: Why Melanie, WHY???

01-30-2007 11:37 AM in reply to: *kemp
Thanks, your comments are much appreciated (I must admit that I laid out
'what' information to include, but, wasn't given a choice of bar graphs or
pie charts let alone the color of them, but, I can pass along your comments
to the augiworld staff for next year, because obviously the correlation
hadn't been thought of yet! :-) )

--
Melanie Perry
***not all who wander are lost***
http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com/

wrote in message news:5469067@discussion.autodesk.com...

My only complaint would be the consistency of the colors; from the ones
shown on the map with those shown on the bar graphs. Otherwise great job
Melanie!!!
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