Which Engineering Copier Systems!

[Anonymous]

Question for you managers and techies out ther.
We are currently are looking at replacing our curren Xerox 3060 Engineering
copier within the next year. We are looking at going the digital route. We
are looking at the Xerox 8830DDS or the OCE' TDS 400 or TDS600.

We typically produce 1500 to 7500 lineal feet of paper in a month. Instead
of out sourcing our copying management wants to keep it in house and some of
the things we need or considerations in our decision are.
1. Copy Speed
2. Multiple Sheet Sizes
3. Network Interface
3. Print & Collate Sets from PC
4. Scan drawings to hard-drive, internet, email, or ftp
5. Reduction and enlargement of drawings

What machines are you currently using, used in past, had success with or
just any plain input at all.
Thanks for any information.

Dawson Price
Cadd Tech
Devco Engineering, Inc.

[Anonymous]

DO NOT use the 8830. It is outdated and has TONS of compatibility prolems.
Get the Xerox 8850, works like a champ.
Tim
"Dawson Price" wrote in message
news:B2280C9D920EA49E442A6A51B0655C73@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Question for you managers and techies out ther.
> We are currently are looking at replacing our curren Xerox 3060
Engineering
> copier within the next year. We are looking at going the digital route. We
> are looking at the Xerox 8830DDS or the OCE' TDS 400 or TDS600.
>
> We typically produce 1500 to 7500 lineal feet of paper in a month. Instead
> of out sourcing our copying management wants to keep it in house and some
of
> the things we need or considerations in our decision are.
> 1. Copy Speed
> 2. Multiple Sheet Sizes
> 3. Network Interface
> 3. Print & Collate Sets from PC
> 4. Scan drawings to hard-drive, internet, email, or ftp
> 5. Reduction and enlargement of drawings
>
> What machines are you currently using, used in past, had success with or
> just any plain input at all.
> Thanks for any information.
>
> Dawson Price
> Cadd Tech
> Devco Engineering, Inc.
>
>

[Anonymous]

I'll second that comment. We have an 8855 and it's been pretty happy here.
The only thing we've had issues with are power requirements. Make sure
you're getting a TRUE 220 circuit, or bump it up somehow. Our line was
testing out at 208, which caused some fuser issues.

HTH
--
James Wedding
IT Manager
Jones & Boyd, Inc.
Dallas, TX
jwedding@*NOSPAM*jones-boyd.com

[Anonymous]

What about the Kip? Any problems there?

🙂

Matt
mstachoni@comcast.net
mstachoni@bhhtait.com

On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 05:04:51 -0800, "James Wedding"
wrote:

>I'll second that comment. We have an 8855 and it's been pretty happy here.
>The only thing we've had issues with are power requirements. Make sure
>you're getting a TRUE 220 circuit, or bump it up somehow. Our line was
>testing out at 208, which caused some fuser issues.
>
>HTH

[Anonymous]

We have a Kip StarPrint 5000. Performance is good 9 - D Size sheets/minute
printing. It has a three roll system but I believe can be upgraded to a 4
roll. The Scanner is a Kip 2080. For Copying it will do 3" per sec @ 400
dpi. Scanning to file 3" per sec @ 400 dpi and 6.4" per sec @ 200 dpi. The
printer has an embedded controller that handles the printing, and the scanner
has an external pc that you can scan to. Print jobs can be submitted directly
from AutoCAD use a heidi driver supplied by KIP or making plot files and using
Kip's Windows Request software. We had to do some testing to get the output
like we wanted it. It involved some ctb changes as well as changes on the
software that controls the printing. As James mentioned power requriements are
important with these machines as well. We have a dedicated circuit for ours as
well as an inline conditioner. The other thing I would mention know matter
what machine you go with is to find a reputable reseller with a good service
department. Also be careful when working out a maintenance agreement. Try and
build in as many consumables into it as you can. Also check to see what
maintencance parts are and are not covered by the agreement. We recently had an
issue with our reseller about toner.

FYI - They also have other machines that will print 13 and 22 D size sheets per
minute.

Hope this helps.

Matt Stachoni wrote:

> What about the Kip? Any problems there?
>
> 🙂
>
> Matt
> mstachoni@comcast.net
> mstachoni@bhhtait.com
>
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 05:04:51 -0800, "James Wedding"
> wrote:
>
> >I'll second that comment. We have an 8855 and it's been pretty happy here.
> >The only thing we've had issues with are power requirements. Make sure
> >you're getting a TRUE 220 circuit, or bump it up somehow. Our line was
> >testing out at 208, which caused some fuser issues.
> >
> >HTH

[Anonymous]

Actually, I didn't really have a question aout the Kip, I'm just
waiting for James to chime in 🙂

Matt
mstachoni@comcast.net
mstachoni@bhhtait.com

On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:11:01 -0800, Monte
wrote:

>We have a Kip StarPrint 5000. Performance is good 9 - D Size sheets/minute
>printing. It has a three roll system but I believe can be upgraded to a 4

[Anonymous]

It went back to the mothership. The fluctuations in power were simply too
much, and by the time we figured out how to solve the problem, it (the kip
machine,) had already (edited)all the people that mattered. That last
week, Kip America could have offered us a solid gold machine and we would
have hated it.

We had a Kip 8000. I honestly think that if I had enough staff to let one
person handle that machine, and one person only, it would have bee great.
The problem with it is that it's built to operate at such tight tolerances,
that 50 people can't be messing with it, or something is bound to fail. We
have to have machines that can live with some degree of slop, and that Kip
just couldn't.

But dang, was it fast....

--
James Wedding
IT Manager
Jones & Boyd, Inc.
Dallas, TX
jwedding@*NOSPAM*jones-boyd.com
"Matt Stachoni" wrote in message
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> Actually, I didn't really have a question aout the Kip, I'm just
> waiting for James to chime in 🙂
>
> Matt
> mstachoni@comcast.net
> mstachoni@bhhtait.com
>
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:11:01 -0800, Monte
> wrote:
>
> >We have a Kip StarPrint 5000. Performance is good 9 - D Size
sheets/minute
> >printing. It has a three roll system but I believe can be upgraded to a 4
>

[Anonymous]

The Oce TDS600 works great, though it won't collate, but for speed of
printing/scanning/copying, multiple sheet sizes, etc. It's a solid option.


"Dawson Price" wrote in message
news:B2280C9D920EA49E442A6A51B0655C73@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Question for you managers and techies out ther.
> We are currently are looking at replacing our curren Xerox 3060
Engineering
> copier within the next year. We are looking at going the digital route. We
> are looking at the Xerox 8830DDS or the OCE' TDS 400 or TDS600.
>
> We typically produce 1500 to 7500 lineal feet of paper in a month. Instead
> of out sourcing our copying management wants to keep it in house and some
of
> the things we need or considerations in our decision are.
> 1. Copy Speed
> 2. Multiple Sheet Sizes
> 3. Network Interface
> 3. Print & Collate Sets from PC
> 4. Scan drawings to hard-drive, internet, email, or ftp
> 5. Reduction and enlargement of drawings
>
> What machines are you currently using, used in past, had success with or
> just any plain input at all.
> Thanks for any information.
>
> Dawson Price
> Cadd Tech
> Devco Engineering, Inc.
>
>

[Anonymous]

We have a new (well, 1 year old) Xerox 8825 Synergix scanner/copier, aand well, just how many ways are there to say happy happy happy!
Extremely please with quality of output, AutoCAD drivers (albiet AutoCAD 2000). We are embarking on a longer-term project to scan to file many of our older paper-drawings.
Wrangled the colour (<- Canadian spelling) option out of dealer - Great! for scanning colour maps for use in apps or sending to our [older] Designjet 755 for large format colour copies

The DDS models are older, if Xerox, go the Synergix route. That's the difference me thinks

Jim L

[Anonymous]

Tim could you elaborate alittle. Was or is yours the 8830DDS or the Synergix
model that Jim mentioned in the post form "longleyje"


"Tim S" wrote in message
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> DO NOT use the 8830. It is outdated and has TONS of compatibility prolems.
> Get the Xerox 8850, works like a champ.
> Tim
> "Dawson Price" wrote in message
> news:B2280C9D920EA49E442A6A51B0655C73@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Question for you managers and techies out ther.
> > We are currently are looking at replacing our curren Xerox 3060
> Engineering
> > copier within the next year. We are looking at going the digital route.
We
> > are looking at the Xerox 8830DDS or the OCE' TDS 400 or TDS600.
> >
> > We typically produce 1500 to 7500 lineal feet of paper in a month.
Instead
> > of out sourcing our copying management wants to keep it in house and
some
> of
> > the things we need or considerations in our decision are.
> > 1. Copy Speed
> > 2. Multiple Sheet Sizes
> > 3. Network Interface
> > 3. Print & Collate Sets from PC
> > 4. Scan drawings to hard-drive, internet, email, or ftp
> > 5. Reduction and enlargement of drawings
> >
> > What machines are you currently using, used in past, had success with or
> > just any plain input at all.
> > Thanks for any information.
> >
> > Dawson Price
> > Cadd Tech
> > Devco Engineering, Inc.
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Our Kip is in our "Print Shop" and there is one person dedicated to scanning,
copying, changing paper etc. when needed. I agree that you don't want the
entire production staff messing with the machine. I haven't had the chance to
see the 8000 in person but at 22 sheets a minute, yikes.....

[Anonymous]

> Our Kip is in our "Print Shop" and there is one person dedicated to
scanning,
> copying, changing paper etc. when needed. I agree that you don't want
the
> entire production staff messing with the machine. I haven't had the
chance to
> see the 8000 in person but at 22 sheets a minute, yikes.....
>

We currently use the KIP 8000 and you're right, that thing screams. We also
have one person dedicated as the "copy guy", we have the scanner addition
too, that's nice. When we bought the 8000 we got rid of our XES 8830 and
that was a *great* move.


--
matthew g.

[Anonymous]

We've got an OCE TDS600. It's the second one - the first had so many weird
problems OCE finally replaced it. The new one, (~8 months), has been real
solid. If you go with OCE, you'll likely want a tech to come back after a
few weeks of using it, after you know what some of the settings might need
to be changed to. Many can be changed at the normal OCE administrator level,
but it takes a tech to really get inside and change some of the internal
settings. For instance, only one size sheet was trimming 1/4" too long, and
it took an OCE tech to get in and resolve this.

John

"Dawson Price" wrote in message
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> Question for you managers and techies out ther.
> We are currently are looking at replacing our curren Xerox 3060
Engineering
> copier within the next year. We are looking at going the digital route. We
> are looking at the Xerox 8830DDS or the OCE' TDS 400 or TDS600.
>
> We typically produce 1500 to 7500 lineal feet of paper in a month. Instead
> of out sourcing our copying management wants to keep it in house and some
of
> the things we need or considerations in our decision are.
> 1. Copy Speed
> 2. Multiple Sheet Sizes
> 3. Network Interface
> 3. Print & Collate Sets from PC
> 4. Scan drawings to hard-drive, internet, email, or ftp
> 5. Reduction and enlargement of drawings
>
> What machines are you currently using, used in past, had success with or
> just any plain input at all.
> Thanks for any information.
>
> Dawson Price
> Cadd Tech
> Devco Engineering, Inc.
>
>

[dlacomb]

We also looked at engineering copier systems for scan/copy/plot capabilities. Oce TDS400 and XES 8825 were on our list to consider, along with Ricoh 470W. Since our department develops relatively small in-house design projects (typically less than 10 sheets and maybe 5-10 sets for our in-house constrcution staff), the Oce and XES seemed a little high end. The Ricoh had a single footprint design and the capabilities we need for our use. Being a major state university in a budget crunch, money was also a concern. Our dealer provided a good demo and let us try out some of our drawings as a test and the copy results and ease of use were impressive. We have it ordered, but its not yet delivered. Has anyone had any experience with the Ricoh 470W with the print controller, scan and edit options? I'd really like to know.

While our duty cycle will be much lesss than other who have commented, I think it will do the job. I'll post back once we get it up and running. Thanks.

Dave LaComb, AIA

[Anonymous]

I haven't heard of this option myself, how much
does this machine run ($-wise) compared to a OCE or XES?

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We
also looked at engineering copier systems for scan/copy/plot capabilities. Oce
TDS400 and XES 8825 were on our list to consider, along with Ricoh 470W. Since
our department develops relatively small in-house design projects (typically
less than 10 sheets and maybe 5-10 sets for our in-house constrcution staff),
the Oce and XES seemed a little high end. The Ricoh had a single footprint
design and the capabilities we need for our use. Being a major state
university in a budget crunch, money was also a concern. Our dealer provided a
good demo and let us try out some of our drawings as a test and the copy
results and ease of use were impressive. We have it ordered, but its not yet
delivered. Has anyone had any experience with the Ricoh 470W with the print
controller, scan and edit options? I'd really like to know.

While our duty cycle will be much lesss than other who have commented, I
think it will do the job. I'll post back once we get it up and running.
Thanks.

Dave LaComb, AIA

[Anonymous]

Well I recently went through this same decision and found out that I
prefered the Xerox and went with the 8850 something or other....I went to my
local print shops and talked to the techies first to find out what they
liked and why and also so that if my machine goes down in a crunch I can
send the files to them and get what I need without haveing to worry they
have the same machine what it prints on mine it will print on theres no
compatibility issues ever....it works great and I really no nothing about it
other then paper and toner go in and printed sheets come out at a nice fast
speed....

Eric

[dlacomb]

Since we are able to purchase off a state contract price list, others may find differences in price levels. While scoping out our purchase, the Ricoh was initially very reasonable because it really is a wide format copier first, and the plot/scan controller options could be added later on. Once we got an icrease in the funding for the purchase, we added on the controller options. When all said and done, the XES 8825 and Ricoh were about even, but the anuual maintenance contract required for the XES was about double each month. With the Ricoh we were also able to add a PC server to it for the edit/scan options. A server for the XES would have added to the cost. The OCE priced themselves out of the picture after you add up the cost of all the components needed to get the same functions. One thing in all fairness to each - each system has a different level of of functionality. Info on the Ricoh 470W can be found at http://www.ricoh-usa.com/productshowroom/wideformat/470w/?usa.

Hope this helps or are you looking for hard numbers?

David LaComb, AIA

[Anonymous]

What a timely thread!
Our 8830 is a good, stable machine (until it needs a cleaning!).... but it
was a Pain to set up... gray tones and screens were absurdly tough for what
they are! ---- It's worst offense recently... bad sensor indication no oil
to the fuser web (whatever that is) and we had a tech here 3 times to fix it
(OK now).
The 8850 reviews are of particular interest to me... thanks for your cost
analysis, Dick! (although ours spits out a heck of a lot less!)




"Tim S" wrote in message
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> DO NOT use the 8830. It is outdated and has TONS of compatibility prolems.
> Get the Xerox 8850, works like a champ.
> Tim
> "Dawson Price" wrote in message
> news:B2280C9D920EA49E442A6A51B0655C73@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Question for you managers and techies out ther.
> > We are currently are looking at replacing our curren Xerox 3060
> Engineering
> > copier within the next year. We are looking at going the digital route.
We
> > are looking at the Xerox 8830DDS or the OCE' TDS 400 or TDS600.
> >
> > We typically produce 1500 to 7500 lineal feet of paper in a month.
Instead
> > of out sourcing our copying management wants to keep it in house and
some
> of
> > the things we need or considerations in our decision are.
> > 1. Copy Speed
> > 2. Multiple Sheet Sizes
> > 3. Network Interface
> > 3. Print & Collate Sets from PC
> > 4. Scan drawings to hard-drive, internet, email, or ftp
> > 5. Reduction and enlargement of drawings
> >
> > What machines are you currently using, used in past, had success with or
> > just any plain input at all.
> > Thanks for any information.
> >
> > Dawson Price
> > Cadd Tech
> > Devco Engineering, Inc.
> >
> >
>
>

[dlacomb]

We finally received our Ricoh 470W Digital Imaging System, and it was installed last Friday. We went through some of the features with the rep and we're not dissapointed with its capabilities. Test copies were great with solid blacks and text and good greyscales (256 possible) for the drawings we use with photographs. Thin lines read well as the machine is capable of 600dpi. Lots of options and features on the basic unit for image control such as zoom, reverse image, etc.

The unit is set up with a Dell Win2000 workstation to control the system for managing plots, collated sets and job queues. Scanning is also possible as the software allows image manipulation such as de-skewing, de-speckling and editing of the raster images. We plan on scanning our original Edward Durrell Stone construction drawings that in poor condition. Lots of work ahead as we have over 5,000 drawings. The system also allows accounting and management functions for the plots/scans/copies.

We haven't quite got the plotting function from AutoCAD workstations yet. We had some network problems that prevented us from finding the workstation. Hope to get that solved on Monday. Sending a plot job from the web to the unit is also possible. (lot's of stuff to read up on!)

I'll report back in a few weeks once we put it through its paces. If I can answere questions about the system in the meantime, please let me know.

Thanks to all for your input.

David LaComb, AIA

[Anonymous]

wasn't that what you asked about 8 months ago? (ducking Real Low!)

Matt Stachoni wrote in message
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> What about the Kip? Any problems there?
>
> 🙂
>
> Matt
> mstachoni@comcast.net
> mstachoni@bhhtait.com
>