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> Is just like saying change your career.
It is also, however, in line with the attitude of certain, now powerful,
political figures I shall refrain from honoring with a mention.
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Mike- I've been in this gig for 15+ years... no need to tell me about
increased costs.
I hated it when I, as an individual user, I was charged more (for one seat)
than a major corporation was for the average seat... That (I think) is still
the case. It's also one helluva way to tell a small office to get lost.
My personal license has lapsed... and I work ACAD in the office only, now.
I don't appreciate being pushed into this or that upgrade, and the industry
is looking harder at promises and deliveries... soon they'll notice the
learning curve is too steep for newcomers to join the profession, and the
demand for more 'stuff' will plummet. Just buy every-other upgrade,
perhaps... and take the floor out of their cash-flow.
To bastardize a few phrases from the '60's... what if they wrote a program
and nobody came...
or (respects to George Carlin) due to lack of interest, R2005 will be
cancelled!
We have a copy of ADT (in addition to AutoCAD) that was Never deployed -
$212/seat is (@40/hr) 5 hours saved per user. My ADT, your additional
subscriber seats, are Wasted money... and maybe AutoDesk needs to see AcadLT
better employed for the benefit of non-sophisticates (engineers who want to
'draft', and can't use the whole package, for one example). That's where an
IT, such as you, can kick Adesk in the shin (when you feel they deserve it).
As for Enablers - maybe you should copy them to CD and give 'em away if your
consultants insist on working with 'crippleware'. And charge for the
'service', too. After all, it's Your intelligence they're milking.
I think R11 was the last time a price revolt caused them to retrench - could
happen... spread the word and see.... looks like you have the strategy to
enlist a few (hundred) colleagues, and I think they'd respond in some
fashion when you refuse to answer (or buy from) them.
In part I wholly agree with you... The best customer is one who complains...
you can address them. The worst thing is when the customer Doesn't
Complain.. you've LOST them. [ARE YOU LISTENING, AutoDesk?]
"Michael Viscetto"
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> Peter,
> A statement such as:
> > Don't like it? Don't pay for it!<
> Is just like saying change your career.
> My point is that we are constantly upgrading and if we don't we will be
left
> in a cloud of smoke. And that is always going to cost money.
> I enjoy my work and I enjoy working with ADT. It is an awesome tool.
> As the CAD Manager / IT / CAD Trainer / CAD Tech (when I get lucky) I am
> constantly dealing with our consultants that have NOT jumped in with both
> feet and stepped up to the latest version and bought into the subscription
> program.
> Telling them to go to AutoDesk's web site for the latest Object Enabler is
> getting a little old.
> Yes I was there for the express tools and I feel we got into the
> subscription program soon enough that we may see it save us some money at
> some point very soon. The letter I referred to was weakly written. It was
> written to make me feel I was going to get all this neat stuff for such a
> very little cost. I am smarter than that. The letter starts off by telling
> me there are going to be changes and then goes right into how it is the
> premier tool. (which I believe is true). Then how lucky I am to be a
> subscriber. Then it goes on to tell me how I will benefit from three new
> features. REVIT, Architectural Studio 3, and the web based training. As I
> mentioned earlier I am not going to benefit from any of those. Then the
> pricing increase. As an existing subscriber I have a renewal increase of
> $212.00 per seat. And because I need to propose this to higher ups and get
> authorization for these funds to include in our budget, the question comes
> up: "Why the cost increase if we are not getting anything"? I proposed
these
> things to my Autodesk reseller and he admittedly said he could not defend
> Autodesk because my point was very clear. I was not going to benefit from
> anything written in this letter to substantiate the price increase. This
may
> not be the case for others but it is for me. He had to contact his higher
> ups to try and get an answer and could not. The bets that Autodesk could
do
> was tell me they would send in one of the National sales reps to our
office
> and discuss our frustrations. We are going to have our consultants join us
> in this meeting and maybe our point as the "end user" will be listened to
a
> little more closely.
>
> To stay in the game we must play the game. To win the game we must be very
> good.
> We win many games and we like what we do.
> It is very frustrating though, to have to constantly be throwing money
into
> software upgrades, training and implementation.
> Although sometimes necessary, a balance would be nice.
>
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> (princ)
>
> Michael
>
> "Peter Friedrich" wrote in message
> news:CC0C195E0EF973D82F9119CD531AC7EA@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Mike-
> > > Wait, didn't MS get sued over something like this?
> > My point exactly-- so did Adesk when they started buying the
competition.
> >
> > And, as for the vertical products - I'm convinced their inability to
> provide
> > a 'stable' setup is because of too many cooks (MS, AIA, users) trying to
> > stir it up with their own spoons.
> >
> > Don't like it? Don't pay for it! (As for Express tools- it WAS posted
> > free to all to download - sorry you didn't catch it while it was
> available-
> > or did you, and now want to howl in the Cat's Chorus because you get
such
> > great grandstanding exposure)
> > There- done... as for me (setvar "RANTMODE" 0) - and apologies if I
grated
> > your sensibilities.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Michael Viscetto" wrote in message
> > news:1F504C1E11BB88C5E83C970E59CAA955@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Since my "rantmode" variable is still set to "1",
> > >
> > > I have other issues in regard to the subscription program.
> > > Re: letter from Autodesk I received on 11-18-02
> > > If the price is going to go up, at least give us something with it.
> > > We are not going to dive into REVIT (even at $250 a seat) like we did
> > with
> > > ADT and be in a constant state of change. (resulting in low
production).
> > > We don't need Autodesk Architectural Studio 3.
> > > And the web based training is not that significant.
> > > But Autodesk seems to have the Monopoly and if they want to raise the
> > price
> > > then they will raise the price.
> > > Wait, didn't MS get sued over something like this?
> > > Are there any attorneys listening?
> > >
> > > I won't go on.
> > > Have a merry Christmas everyone.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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