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JorgeLedezma
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Re: What do you think about Trusted DWG?

06-12-2006 04:19 AM in reply to: JorgeLedezma
Matt, do you know who pay for this cost?
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Re: What do you think about Trusted DWG?

06-12-2006 06:10 AM in reply to: JorgeLedezma
I have seen the translation of an ADT file to MSTA v8 is seamless, we get layers, colors, linetypes and so on. Of course some properties cant be translated because they are different platforms with different metaphors. 100% translation will never happened.

If you save to dwg in MSTA, and back open with ADT some errors maybe appears, but it is a logical thing, isn't it?

What I see weird here is why ADSK created that thing named Trusted DWG, including the trademark, at the same time AutoCAD is jumping to 3D environment.
*Allen Jessup
Message 43 of 152 (139 Views)

Re: What do you think about Trusted DWG?

06-12-2006 06:18 AM in reply to: JorgeLedezma
While I did mention this in my earlier post I might say that the quality of
the results may rest more with the people doing the translation than with
the software. I'm not sure because I haven't touched MSTA in years. But
sometimes we do get acceptable translations from those using MSTA. So I
think it may be possible for the software to output something decent if
effort is put in to it. But as you say. It's NOT seamless.

I use LDT with Map so I can save to and import DGN files. The quality of the
translation depends on how much time is spend customizing the mapimport.ini,
mapexport.ini files and the seed DGN file. All of which are tedious to edit
and you must be prepared to edit lines such as:

RUNTIME_MACROS=_SEED,"C:\Program Files\Common Files\Autodesk
Shared\GIS\ImportExport\4.0\design\seed3d_ft.dgn".

I am not sure of the format that MSTA users have to deal with. But if it is
similar to this I can understand why so many translations are lousy. I do
know that I have much less problems with errors if I do the translation
myself. I've literally picked up thousands of errors in files exported from
MSTA.

Allen


wrote in message news:5201937@discussion.autodesk.com...
"" I use and will continue to use DWGgateway without so much as ONE problem.
And I have converted literally 100's of files. ""

As long as you're translating from one AutoCAD version to another there
shouldn't be much trouble, but going from MSTA to AutoCAD is not as seamless
as the Bentley boys would have you think. We had a vendor taken off our
suppliers list because he was continually sending in crud translated from MS
to AutoCAD that were nothing BUT trouble.
*Matt Stachoni
Message 44 of 152 (139 Views)

Re: What do you think about Trusted DWG?

06-12-2006 07:22 AM in reply to: JorgeLedezma
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:19:00 +0000, JorgeLedezma <> wrote:

>Matt, do you know who pay for this cost?

For "fixing" consultants' drawings to our standards?

Depends.

Matt
mstachoni@comcast.net
mstachoni@bhhtait.com
*Allen Jessup
Message 45 of 152 (139 Views)

Re: What do you think about Trusted DWG?

06-12-2006 07:30 AM in reply to: JorgeLedezma
Hi Don,

I did mention in a post to this thread this morning that it may have more
to do with the operator than the software. I'm sure that you know from
LDT/Map that the quality of the translation rests on how much time you're
willing to spend on setting everything up.

The reason I thing the Trusted DWG warning may be a good thing is Civil 3D.
With EVERYTHING kept in the drawing files I can see disaster. If your file
is damaged by inserting something that isn't compatible you may loose quite
a lot. Now (of course) we "always" have backups of all OUR drawings. But how
many post have you seen where someone is trying to recover the only version
of a file. One mistake and a whole project could be lost. I know that is in
an extreme case but it's scary none the less.

Allen

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5202030@discussion.autodesk.com...
It may be likely that my friend Allen had issues with DGN files that were
converted to DWGs, after they had already been "graced" with issues from MS?

Not ever having utilized MS, I of course may be all wet with my guess re.
the "causes" of his troubles with the DWG files he mentioned.

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
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"Michael Kolster" wrote in message
news:5201953@discussion.autodesk.com...
I find the same thing here. We run both ACAD and MS and I use MS to open
and fix files that ACAD Audit/Restore can't fix. The file was in only used
in ACAD until then so what is so trusty about that?

Speaking of MS, if you really know how to use and configure MicroStation you
really don't have any problems. The only time I see issues with it is when
users who think they know what they are doing and say they understand MS and
then have issues with it. I set it up and use it and it works fine so is it
the software or user error?

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5201893@discussion.autodesk.com...
Well I was just talking about this with other staff in the office a few
minutes ago, and our common experience was to use IntelliCAD to clean up DWG
files that had become corrupted beyond Audit/Restore process while having
been retained inside AutoCAD previously.

So that fairly well flies in the face of the post we were lead to from that
link, hmmmm?

The procedure I referred to above was c-o-n-s-i-d-e-r-a-b-l-y faster than
having to start all over from an empty dwg file, I'm sure even the Deskers
would agree.

And that would need to include the "checking" involved to make sure that all
the necessary changes had been addressed.

Which made me think of any Agency changes required - based upon the
timeframe of this unfortunate happenstance of corruption.

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
LDT/CD-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual 2.01GHz
XPPro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
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JorgeLedezma
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Message 46 of 152 (139 Views)

Re: What do you think about Trusted DWG?

06-12-2006 08:11 AM in reply to: JorgeLedezma
yes, for that. I think it is a platform associate cost.
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rculp
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Message 47 of 152 (139 Views)

Re: What do you think about Trusted DWG?

06-12-2006 09:47 AM in reply to: JorgeLedezma
"" I do know that I have much less problems with errors if I do the translation myself. I've literally picked up thousands of errors in files exported from MSTA. ""

Same here, until I got out of the MSAT translation business.
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rculp
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Message 48 of 152 (139 Views)

Re: What do you think about Trusted DWG?

06-12-2006 10:02 AM in reply to: JorgeLedezma
V8 is a much better tool for DWG translation than any of the other MSTA releases, but it is still not seamless to go from MSTA to AutoCAD.

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"" 100% translation will never happened.""

I agree, tell it to the Bentley propaganda team. I've had an IT guy from a subcontractor swear he had been given a guarantee by Bentley that it was a 100% translationm error-free. When I asked for the documentation he balked and said that's what his bentley Dealer/support said.

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"" some errors maybe appears, but it is a logical thing, isn't it? ""

Only if you're dealing with a translation. We've gotton out of the MSTA translation repair business. If you're going to work with us, you'll give a a 100% compatible autocad DWG to our specifications or you won't get paid.

Oddly we had 2 Microstation only suppliers that figured it would be easier to buy several seats of AutoCAD to make sure the translations were sound. They discovered it was quicker and easier for them to just do it in AutoCAD outright and skip the translation step. Now the only MSTA they do is for a local client that is married to MSTA.

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"" What I see weird here is why ADSK created that thing named Trusted DWG, including the trademark, at the same time AutoCAD is jumping to 3D environment. ""

It's not a "new thing" it's just a notification that the file was not created using an autodesk product.

What does that have to do with 3D?

What do you mean by "at the same time AutoCAD is jumping to 3D environment"?? They have been 3D for well over a decade. They have made it easier with R2K7.
*Tim Riley
Message 49 of 152 (139 Views)

Re: What do you think about Trusted DWG?

06-12-2006 10:22 AM in reply to: JorgeLedezma
If Autodesk would open their file format then a tool like this wouldn't be
necessary as 100% conversions would be possible. It's funny to see people
blame Bentley and inadvertently the Open Drawing Alliance for not being able
to 100% recreate an undocumented file format.

If anyone wants to complain about this issue direct it to Autodesk
executives regarding the opening of the dwg format.

--
Regards,
Tim
http://tjriley.infogami.com/pyacaddotnet


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Message 50 of 152 (139 Views)

Re: What do you think about Trusted DWG?

06-12-2006 11:14 AM in reply to: JorgeLedezma
AutoCAD 2K7 IS 3D, previous 3D was just a funny thing.

The 2K7 format make the user more dependable to the application, because the new added features. It will be a pain translate it to previous AutoCAD releases and desktops, not to mention to the competition formats.

If we continue with the idea to use the not standard dwg for interchange the gap will be more critical.
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