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What do you think about Trusted DWG?

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jorgeledezma
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What do you think about Trusted DWG?

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Message 2 of 152
Anonymous
in reply to: jorgeledezma

Due to recent decisions in creating programs like Civil 3D autodesk would
have to protect the drawing files. Instead of storing design data in
external databases like Land Desktop. Civil 3D stores everything in the DWG
file.That's also why they now include Vault with C3D.

Now if you're asking if there is a marketing component to this. There
probably is. It never surprises me when a company engages in marketing.

My own experiences. Many people mention that MS can save in a DWG format.
Any time I get one of those I have to Audit it a couple of times before I
can use it. Otherwise it will create a few interesting errors. I discovered
this when some drawing kept crashing. I finally found that the cause was
having unaudited MS generated drawings XRefed into those files.

Allen

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Message 3 of 152
rculp
in reply to: jorgeledezma

Cool. It's about time.
But hey, that's just me.

Randall Culp
Civil-Structural Design Technician
(aka CADaver)
Message 4 of 152
madcadd
in reply to: jorgeledezma

Trusted DWG?

It's a bunch of hooey! They are just running scared from *FREEBEE* programs that work as well and *BETTER* than AutoCAD.

Remember that Autodesk *USED TO* charge $150.00 for their convertor until competition FORCED them to give it out free!

I use and will continue to use DWGgateway without so much as ONE problem. And I have converted literally 100's of files.

Does this sound like I am an AutoCAD basher? It may, but it is the TRUTH as I see it.

I love AutoCAD. We use SolidWorks here as our primary 3D parametric software, but AutoCAD is still the best 2D software anywhere. We also have IV7 (last one before giving up on it). I doubt that I'd be able to talk the purse strings into another stab at IV. Even though I would like to see IV11.
Message 5 of 152
Anonymous
in reply to: jorgeledezma

What to say?

So, a trusted drawing will never crash?
Why did it crash? It's a trusted drawing?
It's not my fault. It is a trusted drawing after all.


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Message 6 of 152
Anonymous
in reply to: jorgeledezma

On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:23:51 +0000, JorgeLedezma <> wrote:

>http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112&id=6740482

The statement page is FULL of typical corporate gobbledygook, espousing an
incredible amount of "nothing" for the number of words used.

The only benefit I can see from this statement was that apparently no trees were
killed in its publishing.

For example:

"At the option of the user, AutoCAD 2007 will notify users when the DWG file
they are opening was saved using an application that was not created by an
Autodesk product or RealDWG licensee."

Okay, swell. But do I really care? Consider the next line:

"This will help to protect a customer’s DWG data from corruption and give users
warning that the DWG file they are opening may cause stability issues."

Woohoo! Protecting our drawings from corruption! Along with a warning that I got
a POTENTIALLY BAD DRAWING! Sweet!

But how does this work?

"...Trusted DWG does not itself repair defects in the file that may exist but
enables the customer to choose whether or not to accept risks that may be
associated with DWG files that were not last saved by an Autodesk or RealDWG
licensee product."

Oh. ok. um.

In other words, it amounts to nothing but a warning. Which MAY OR MAY NOT POSE A
PROBLEM.

I wonder if you get a warning from a file produced with Educational versions of
AutoCAD, which can easily and effectively infect your company's drawing files
with that stupid plot stamp.

Matt
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Message 7 of 152
Anonymous
in reply to: jorgeledezma

I think you get an education stamp warning if you open an education created
dwg when using commercial versions of AutoCAD 2006, and probably the same in
2007.

Not having done so myself, I am can't swear to it, but I remember reading
that it is so, about a year ago or when 2006 came out.

As for the warning messages about a non AutoCAD created DWG file, it is
better than no warning. It gives a possible place to look when corruption
screws up a dwg file.

Jack Talsky
Message 8 of 152
Raddis
in reply to: jorgeledezma

Actually I at first hairy eyeballed this concept.
However, it was pointed out that this also picks up converted files, such as
those caddus horrabilus files we get from people using MicroStation or
ArchiCAD.

As the CAD Manager, I like the idea of knowing where the file we may be
using as the basis of our documents has come from. Not that I've never had
AutoCAD corrupt a file, but still a welcome bit of "advice".

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Message 9 of 152
Anonymous
in reply to: jorgeledezma

On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:39:38 +0000, raddis <> wrote:

>Actually I at first hairy eyeballed this concept.
>However, it was pointed out that this also picks up converted files, such as
>those caddus horrabilus files we get from people using MicroStation or
>ArchiCAD.
>
>As the CAD Manager, I like the idea of knowing where the file we may be
>using as the basis of our documents has come from. Not that I've never had
>AutoCAD corrupt a file, but still a welcome bit of "advice".

I would LOVE a utility that pointed out errant linework that was put on the
wrong layer, or lines that are "sort of but not quite parallel" that were used
to represent walls.

Unfortunately, we can't get a utility that tells us which files were crappily
drawn 😕

Matt
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mstachoni@bhhtait.com
Message 10 of 152
C O Jones
in reply to: jorgeledezma

Opening a Educational drawing will first prompt you with a large alert box asking if you want to continue, made by an educational copy, yada yada, pick ok, another smaller warning comes up adking again if you really want to continue or not.
Message 11 of 152
rculp
in reply to: jorgeledezma

"" Unfortunately, we can't get a utility that tells us which files were crappily drawn ""

Knowing it was done in MSTA is a good start.
But hey, that's just me.

Randall Culp
Civil-Structural Design Technician
(aka CADaver)
Message 12 of 152
rculp
in reply to: jorgeledezma

"" FREEBEE* programs that work as well and *BETTER* than AutoCAD. ""

Ya wanna post a link to one of those????
But hey, that's just me.

Randall Culp
Civil-Structural Design Technician
(aka CADaver)
Message 13 of 152
madcadd
in reply to: jorgeledezma

>>Ya wanna post a link to one of those????

Yeah, You of all people know how they are. I can say what it is, but can not post a link without the entire post being deleted.

DWGgateway. Freeware from SolidWorks. Message was edited by: Discussion Admin
Message 14 of 152
rculp
in reply to: jorgeledezma

Then just name them, or better yet name just one "" FREEBEE* program[] that work as well and *BETTER* than AutoCAD. ""
But hey, that's just me.

Randall Culp
Civil-Structural Design Technician
(aka CADaver)
Message 15 of 152
Anonymous
in reply to: jorgeledezma

On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:56:02 +0000, C O Jones <> wrote:

>Opening a Educational drawing will first prompt you with a large alert box asking if you want to continue, made by an educational copy, yada yada, pick ok, another smaller warning comes up adking again if you really want to continue or not.

..This does not happen in a drawing that has been "infected" with the plot stamp
virus. THAT would be nice.

Matt
mstachoni@comcast.net
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Message 16 of 152
Anonymous
in reply to: jorgeledezma

Well I was just talking about this with other staff in the office a few
minutes ago, and our common experience was to use IntelliCAD to clean up DWG
files that had become corrupted beyond Audit/Restore process while having
been retained inside AutoCAD previously.

So that fairly well flies in the face of the post we were lead to from that
link, hmmmm?

The procedure I referred to above was c-o-n-s-i-d-e-r-a-b-l-y faster than
having to start all over from an empty dwg file, I'm sure even the Deskers
would agree.

And that would need to include the "checking" involved to make sure that all
the necessary changes had been addressed.

Which made me think of any Agency changes required - based upon the
timeframe of this unfortunate happenstance of corruption.

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than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
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madcadd
in reply to: jorgeledezma

Can you read? I just did! Look above you boy. DWGgateway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

With DWGgateway, I can open *ANY* version of AutoCAD from V1.4 to 2006. (2007 soon, I'm sure) And save it to WHATEVER VERSION I am working in. In other words, I have DWGgateway installed on R14 and 2002.

So if I am in R14 and open a 2006 dwg with DWGgateway, it will save it as R14. And consequently, if I'm in 2002 and open a 2006 dwg with DWGgateway, it will save it as 2002. Or I can open an R9 and save it as a 2002.

AutoCAD TrueView (or whatever it's called *CAN'T* even do that)!
Message 18 of 152
rculp
in reply to: jorgeledezma

ummm... DWGateway is a translator NOT a CAD program.

So what you MEANT to say was that there are freebie programs out there that will do less than 1 hundredth of 1 percent what AutoCAD does, better than AutoCAD. Next time say that, that might be supportable.
But hey, that's just me.

Randall Culp
Civil-Structural Design Technician
(aka CADaver)
Message 19 of 152
rculp
in reply to: jorgeledezma

BTW, if you have all those versions loaded at the same time, they need to be separate licenses or you're in violation of EULA.
But hey, that's just me.

Randall Culp
Civil-Structural Design Technician
(aka CADaver)
Message 20 of 152
madcadd
in reply to: jorgeledezma

BULL!

I'm in violation of nothing, I just work here.

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