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JorgeLedezma
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What do you think about Trusted DWG?

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*Allen Jessup
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Re: What do you think about Trusted DWG?

06-09-2006 05:21 AM in reply to: JorgeLedezma
Due to recent decisions in creating programs like Civil 3D autodesk would
have to protect the drawing files. Instead of storing design data in
external databases like Land Desktop. Civil 3D stores everything in the DWG
file.That's also why they now include Vault with C3D.

Now if you're asking if there is a marketing component to this. There
probably is. It never surprises me when a company engages in marketing.

My own experiences. Many people mention that MS can save in a DWG format.
Any time I get one of those I have to Audit it a couple of times before I
can use it. Otherwise it will create a few interesting errors. I discovered
this when some drawing kept crashing. I finally found that the cause was
having unaudited MS generated drawings XRefed into those files.

Allen

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rculp
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Re: What do you think about Trusted DWG?

06-09-2006 06:00 AM in reply to: JorgeLedezma
Cool. It's about time.
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madcadd
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Re: What do you think about Trusted DWG?

06-09-2006 07:29 AM in reply to: JorgeLedezma
Trusted DWG?

It's a bunch of hooey! They are just running scared from *FREEBEE* programs that work as well and *BETTER* than AutoCAD.

Remember that Autodesk *USED TO* charge $150.00 for their convertor until competition FORCED them to give it out free!

I use and will continue to use DWGgateway without so much as ONE problem. And I have converted literally 100's of files.

Does this sound like I am an AutoCAD basher? It may, but it is the TRUTH as I see it.

I love AutoCAD. We use SolidWorks here as our primary 3D parametric software, but AutoCAD is still the best 2D software anywhere. We also have IV7 (last one before giving up on it). I doubt that I'd be able to talk the purse strings into another stab at IV. Even though I would like to see IV11.
*SD'y
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Re: What do you think about Trusted DWG?

06-09-2006 07:37 AM in reply to: JorgeLedezma
What to say?

So, a trusted drawing will never crash?
Why did it crash? It's a trusted drawing?
It's not my fault. It is a trusted drawing after all.


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*Matt Stachoni
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Re: What do you think about Trusted DWG?

06-09-2006 08:17 AM in reply to: JorgeLedezma
On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:23:51 +0000, JorgeLedezma <> wrote:

>http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112&id=6740482

The statement page is FULL of typical corporate gobbledygook, espousing an
incredible amount of "nothing" for the number of words used.

The only benefit I can see from this statement was that apparently no trees were
killed in its publishing.

For example:

"At the option of the user, AutoCAD 2007 will notify users when the DWG file
they are opening was saved using an application that was not created by an
Autodesk product or RealDWG licensee."

Okay, swell. But do I really care? Consider the next line:

"This will help to protect a customer’s DWG data from corruption and give users
warning that the DWG file they are opening may cause stability issues."

Woohoo! Protecting our drawings from corruption! Along with a warning that I got
a POTENTIALLY BAD DRAWING! Sweet!

But how does this work?

"...Trusted DWG does not itself repair defects in the file that may exist but
enables the customer to choose whether or not to accept risks that may be
associated with DWG files that were not last saved by an Autodesk or RealDWG
licensee product."

Oh. ok. um.

In other words, it amounts to nothing but a warning. Which MAY OR MAY NOT POSE A
PROBLEM.

I wonder if you get a warning from a file produced with Educational versions of
AutoCAD, which can easily and effectively infect your company's drawing files
with that stupid plot stamp.

Matt
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*JMT-02
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Re: What do you think about Trusted DWG?

06-09-2006 09:13 AM in reply to: JorgeLedezma
I think you get an education stamp warning if you open an education created
dwg when using commercial versions of AutoCAD 2006, and probably the same in
2007.

Not having done so myself, I am can't swear to it, but I remember reading
that it is so, about a year ago or when 2006 came out.

As for the warning messages about a non AutoCAD created DWG file, it is
better than no warning. It gives a possible place to look when corruption
screws up a dwg file.

Jack Talsky
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Raddis
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Message 8 of 152 (501 Views)

Re: What do you think about Trusted DWG?

06-09-2006 09:39 AM in reply to: JorgeLedezma
Actually I at first hairy eyeballed this concept.
However, it was pointed out that this also picks up converted files, such as
those caddus horrabilus files we get from people using MicroStation or
ArchiCAD.

As the CAD Manager, I like the idea of knowing where the file we may be
using as the basis of our documents has come from. Not that I've never had
AutoCAD corrupt a file, but still a welcome bit of "advice".

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---------------
Reid M. Addis
Registered Architect
Architectural Applications Manager
Granary Associates
411 North 20th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19130
Ph. 215-665-7056
Cell. 215-313-0995
email: addis@granaryassoc.com
*Matt Stachoni
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Re: What do you think about Trusted DWG?

06-09-2006 09:48 AM in reply to: JorgeLedezma
On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:39:38 +0000, raddis <> wrote:

>Actually I at first hairy eyeballed this concept.
>However, it was pointed out that this also picks up converted files, such as
>those caddus horrabilus files we get from people using MicroStation or
>ArchiCAD.
>
>As the CAD Manager, I like the idea of knowing where the file we may be
>using as the basis of our documents has come from. Not that I've never had
>AutoCAD corrupt a file, but still a welcome bit of "advice".

I would LOVE a utility that pointed out errant linework that was put on the
wrong layer, or lines that are "sort of but not quite parallel" that were used
to represent walls.

Unfortunately, we can't get a utility that tells us which files were crappily
drawn :/

Matt
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C O Jones
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Registered: ‎01-20-2006
Message 10 of 152 (501 Views)

Re: What do you think about Trusted DWG?

06-09-2006 09:56 AM in reply to: JorgeLedezma
Opening a Educational drawing will first prompt you with a large alert box asking if you want to continue, made by an educational copy, yada yada, pick ok, another smaller warning comes up adking again if you really want to continue or not.
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