Yikes!
Well, we do all kinds of structural drafting. We do plans, we do details. We
even do 3D work from time to time.
We don't duplicate information as it can lead to take-off problems when
contractors do cost-estimates. We will say things like "POST ABOVE" or "POST
BELOW" when we need to indicate something on one level for clarity, but we
won't call out that member's size twice.
You can actually see one drawing from our firm in the 2002 sample folder in
AutoCAD, "MKMPlan.dwg". Do NOT assume, however that when you open it it will
match our standards! (It's been heavily modified with our permission to use
as a tutorial with the CAD Standards extension.)
We tend to put all posts that are located within walls on our Xrefs. We have
job folders for each project and label our Xrefs as XPlan0, XPlan1, XPlan2,
etc. We then Xref in each base sheet into our plotting sheets. We then
rename the Xref within the host drawing as XPlan1-FNDN-ABV or XPlan1-RF-BLW
or XPlan2-FF-ABV, etc. to indicate its relevance to the current level of
framing/structure. Then we change the colors and linetypes of the Xref
layers to indicate walls below as continuous lines and walls/posts above as
hidden. We show posts above as hidden so as to not confuse a king post at
the middle of a beam as a support beam below. (Of course, much of this is
done with in-house brewed lisp.)
Posts shown for girder support or within attics are inserted into the plot
sheets directly, as are othere unique posts that are not shared between plot
sheets.
Hope that helps,
Robert Grandmaison
"Giebeler" wrote in message
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> Robert,
> How does you firm handle duplications? Do you avoid them? Also, what
> drafting does your firm do? If you do all of the structural plans I would
> be very interested to see what organization you have developed for the
> plans. For example, where do you call out posts, beams, post fnd
> connections, post beam connections, headers, (do you use a header schedule
> or manually identify each one). Also, if you do duplicate information
where
> and what is duplicated? Do you duplicate post sizes on the fnd plan and
flr
> plans. What information that has already clearly been identified on the
> plans is duplicated in the sections, details, etc.
> Thank you very much
> Jonathon
>
> "Robert Grandmaison" wrote in message
> news:96CB41789FAE617686F2932198BD8474@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I am a CAD Manager for a SE firm. We follow the lead of the Architect
> > insofar as our sheet numbering/sequence goes. We are hired by them as
> their
> > consultant and must defer to their direction in such matters.
> >
> > I've no problem with the NCS.
> >
> > Robert Grandmaison
> >
> >
> > "Giebeler" wrote in message
> > news:7B2B04B4E62D5FAADA14E8F6BDFFD52A@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > We are having problems with our structural engineer and I thought
> all
> > of
> > > you may be able to give me a general idea of what is expectable. Any
> > > response will be extremely appreciated. I am hoping to get the
largest
> > > possible response to this message so that I can print them and use
them
> to
> > > find a general consistence among others in the field.
> > > We are a residential design firm doing higher end custom homes,
> > (usually
> > > about 3,000 to 5,000 sqft). We have recently adopted the NCS system.
> We
> > > now currently use NCS title blocks, sheet and file numbering systems,
> > > keynotes, etc. Also, to keep drawing time down and accuracy up I have
> > been
> > > trying to limit information to one place, ("say it once and in the
right
> > > place"). Our setup for structural plans along with an explanation
> > follows:
> > >
> > > S0-1 General Structural Notes
> > > these are general notes (basically specs), shear wall schedules,
header
> > > schedules, and some typical details.
> > >
> > > S0-2 Typical Structural Details
> > > just like it says. I am using this in an attempt to cut down on
custom
> > > details
> > >
> > > S0-1 Foundation Plan
> > > Here we have the foundation plan with detail references to footing
> > > conditions, we are showing posts but are no calling out post sizes.
> > > Additionally there are keynotes explaining special conditions, general
> > > notes, and a key plan
> > >
> > > S0-2 Structural Floor Plan
> > > Here we are identifying framed walls with a legend and dimensioning
> them.
> > > We are also showing shear wall locations, calling out posts, beams,
and
> > non
> > > typical header, (I am not calling out standard headers because of the
> > header
> > > schedule on S0-1). Additionally there are keynotes explaining special
> > > conditions, general notes, and a key plan
> > >
> > > S0-3 Roof Framing Plan
> > > Here we show a full roof framing plan with every rafter drawn in. We
not
> > > direction of span and size and use masked text to identify major
members
> > > such as ridge boards, hips, valleys, etc. Additionally there are
> keynotes
> > > explaining special conditions, general notes, and a key plan
> > >
> > > S3-1 Building Sections
> > > Hear we call out braces, ceiling joists, plate heights, etc. Basically
> > > everything that has not been identified in the previous plans.
> > >
> > > S5-1 Structural Details
> > >
> > > The structural engineer, (as well as a few contractors, and the
> principal)
> > > has complained about basically everything. They think that the sheet
> > format
> > > "S1-0" etc. is too complicated and would rather just use "1, 2, 3"
etc.
> > I
> > > disagree because we typically have about 30 sheets and I like the
extra
> > > organization. "They" also don't like using 2 letters for details such
> as
> > > "A1", they would prefer a, b, c, d, etc. Again as a draftsman and
> > manager
> > > I like the extra organization.
> > >
> > > The main problem is however the issue of "Saying it once and in the
> right
> > > place". The structural engineer wants us to duplicate the information
> > shown
> > > on the plans on the building sections. My problem is that I feel it
> goes
> > > against industry standards, it will push our drafting time up, and
that
> we
> > > will be opening the door for errors. Plus the fact that since it has
> > > already been noted and detailed on the plans it just feels wasteful.
> > >
> > > So, what is everyone else doing? Are you duplicating, and where are
you
> > > calling specific information out? Thank you all for you time - it is
> > > appreciated in advance,
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Jonathon Giebeler
> > > David Abbott
> > > Residential, Planning, and Design
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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