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Message 1 of 34
Kazo
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Something to Ponder

A general question to all you CAD wizards......

If you were to draw a continual line in model space....does it end up coming full circle in the 'real world' back on itself again or does it disappear into space....??

Something Ive always wondered ?????
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Message 21 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Kazo

On 5/10/2010 9:30 AM, omc-usnr wrote:
> Does no one here remember the solar.dwg file that shipped with ACAD 2.1G? Used measurements in A.U.
>
> More info here: http://autodesk.blogs.com/between_the_lines/2004/01/more_on_autocad.html
>
> Reid

I didn't start with Acad until R10 but remember solar.dwg. I don't know
if it was still included as a sample dwg in R10 or I saw it somewhere
else. If anyone has an interest you can download it from here:

http://www.cadforum.cz/cadforum_en/dl_file.asp?ID=155
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Message 22 of 34
AllenJessup
in reply to: Kazo

Are you suggesting that anything draw in AutoCAD has anything to do with the real world? When you start trying to represent the "Real World" in CAD you're in for a lot of trouble.
Will the line come back full circle in the real world? That depends on a lot of things. Firstly is the line "Draw" instantaneously. If not then the answer is NO. Any line draw on paper or on the ground is a line only in our reference frame. The direction the line was pointing when you began to draw it is very different form the direction of the line when you finish.
The earth rotates and revolves around the Sun. The Sun moves through the Galaxy and the Galaxy moves through the Universe. The Universe expands and may have other movements. If you plotted each point on the line you drew using a galaxy base coordinate system and allowed for the time it took to draw that line. The plotting would look like some looped out compound spiral. So if there's no instantaneous propagation it won't happen.
Allen

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GrantsPirate
in reply to: Kazo

If it is drawn vertically it shows up in China.

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Message 24 of 34
Kazo
in reply to: Kazo

whoa!
Message 25 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Kazo

Hi Murph,

Far too practical a problem. 🙂

Ignoring wind, tidal and temperature effects and as long as there is
either an inflow or outflow - Never.

If inflow, outflow and evaporation cease the surface will
asymptomatically approach level.

Add in the the real world events noted above and the levels may match
instantaneously once every eon or so.

Regards


Laurie Comerford

Murph wrote:
> Ponder this, you have a stream running across your property. You build a dam
> to stop the flow of the water in the stream to create a small lake. Once the
> water behind the dam reaches a set height it over flows the dam at the
> spillway. Is the water on the upstream side of the lake the same elevation
> as the water at the spillway?
>
>
Message 26 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Kazo

No fair, you're a PE and know the answer. Now try explaining that to GIS
guys and why their flood analysis of creating a buffer at a set elevation
doesn't work in real world.

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"Matt.Anderson" wrote in message
news:6388532@discussion.autodesk.com...
To answer your question Muph, no. The upstream side of the likely is
higher, unless there is a fetch.

Matthew Anderson, PE


On 5/10/2010 9:37 AM, Murph wrote:
> yes
>
>
Message 27 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Kazo

See my reply to Matt, other then the PE part which I don't know if you are
or not but your experience makes up for it. ; )


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"Laurie Comerford" wrote in message
news:6388776@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi Murph,

Far too practical a problem. 🙂

Ignoring wind, tidal and temperature effects and as long as there is
either an inflow or outflow - Never.

If inflow, outflow and evaporation cease the surface will
asymptomatically approach level.

Add in the the real world events noted above and the levels may match
instantaneously once every eon or so.

Regards


Laurie Comerford

Murph wrote:
> Ponder this, you have a stream running across your property. You build a
> dam
> to stop the flow of the water in the stream to create a small lake. Once
> the
> water behind the dam reaches a set height it over flows the dam at the
> spillway. Is the water on the upstream side of the lake the same elevation
> as the water at the spillway?
>
>
Message 28 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Kazo

Hi Murph,

Not being USA based, I don't know what PE means, but guess it's
"Professional Engineer" and yes I am one.

Talk to your GIS guys and try and convince them of the real world
situation that in a high speed flow such as a flood the water surface
level in the deepest (highest speed flow) part of a river will be
significantly higher than the level at the edges.

Taking advantage of a horizontal bridge across the flood plain of one of
our rivers I've observed level differences of the order of 2m between
the river flow and the flood plain flow. In addition the standing waves
in the river were also up to 1m high above the general water level. As
this river is quite tiny compared with many in North America, I'm sure
observers there will have seen even more significant level differences.


Regards


Laurie Comerford

Murph wrote:
> See my reply to Matt, other then the PE part which I don't know if you are
> or not but your experience makes up for it. ; )
>
>
Message 29 of 34
Kazo
in reply to: Kazo

correct ! it was !
I was speaking of a specific distance only ! Edited by: kbradley on May 11, 2010 1:59 AM
Message 30 of 34
omc-usnr
in reply to: Kazo

Well, the "earth" as a planet, is a geometrical spheroid (a squashed sphere). It has no "edge". A line represents a set of points in a given direction on a plane. There is only one point in common for any sphere / line combination, the "point of tangency".

I suppose that in Einstein's universe, a line tangent to the earth, might warp due to gravity (but not circle back on itself), but in Euclid's world, it would remain straight.

Reid
Message 31 of 34
AllenJessup
in reply to: Kazo

If you're working in a projection like a Transverse Mercator the line may intersect the earth surface at 2 points. But all terrestrial reference frames treat the earth as if it were stationary. So each case is valid for only one T.
Are AutoCAD lines warped by space-time? In the real world the only thing that might match the one dimensionality of a line may be a rotating singularity (Black Hole). So if all AutoCAD lines represent Black Holes that would explain some of the designs I've seen.
Allen

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Message 32 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Kazo

If you like that, then here you go!
Message 33 of 34
omc-usnr
in reply to: Kazo

If you're working in a projection, wouldn't the line be on the surface of the projection (all points) or at some angle to it (one point) since the projection is designed to flatten the sphereoid?

Reid
Message 34 of 34
AllenJessup
in reply to: Kazo

I was envisioning the line in the projection intersecting the Ellipsoid and possibly the earth's surface. Most places it would intersect the actual surface but in some instances the Ellipsoid is above the earth's surface. The line might or might not intersect the Geoid due to it's irregular shape.
Allen

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