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Caff
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Some advice please....Wages!

I've just been offered a position of CAD Manager within an architectural company in London, 60 full time CAD users. see below for the tasks that have been set. I have been using CAD since the beginning of Version 9, been unofficially CAD Manager at various companies throughout my career, and they have offered me £30,000, is this too low??

I would really appreciate some advice, cheers in advance!


1. CAD Procedures on the Intranet· Review and revise current procedures and upload
2. CAD Troubleshooting· Day to day on the spot problem solving· Addressing specific CAD problems i.e. fonts / dimensioning
3. CAD Development· PTE Block Libraries· PTE Template files – refine, introduce alternatives.
4. CAD Drawing quality control· Establish rigorous guidelines in conjunction with “The Building Design” Group Audit drawing sets
5. CAD Project Briefing·Stage of project - feasibility, pre-planning or pre working drawing ·Type - Master planning, new build or refurbishment.·Scale of project (250 Units or 5 houses)· From the above establish a Directory, File Structure and necessary template files.
6. Project Auditing·Check organisation of the Directory / File structure· Open Model files and check Purging, Limits, blocking alignment etc
7. CAD Assessment / Induction to new staff·Assessment of their CAD background·Introduction to the PTE House Type model and CAD reference files·Explanation of PTE Layer convention and the use of buttons.·Introduction to the PTE 10 CAD Commandments.
8. CAD Training sessions (Individual & team cycles)· CAD Tips at Wednesday lunch times to project teams.Individually programmed one hour training sessions.
9. Liaison with Surveyors and Ordnance Survey.
10. CAD Forum – consisting of Systems Manager / Cad Co-ordinator / Team reps Roger (as chair) would preside
11. CAD Research software upgrades / developments.·New releases of AutoCAD / Architectural Desktop / Studio / Viz
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Message 2 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Caff

What would that be in American
dollars?
Message 3 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Caff

How does this compare to your previous
position?

 

Are you happy with the job and
company?

 

If so, then is the offered wage more or less than
what you are getting now?

 

In the final anaylisis only you can decide if the
position is worth taking at the offered wage.

 

If you get hung up on money, you may lose a shot at
a good job by holding out for more or end up with a really bad job at a higher
wage.

 

Dave Alexander

 


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I've
just been offered a position of CAD Manager within an architectural company in
London, 60 full time CAD users. see below for the tasks that have been set. I
have been using CAD since the beginning of Version 9, been unofficially CAD
Manager at various companies throughout my career, and they have offered me
£30,000, is this too low??

I would really appreciate some advice, cheers in advance!


1. CAD Procedures on the Intranet· Review and revise current procedures and
upload
2. CAD Troubleshooting· Day to day on the spot problem solving·
Addressing specific CAD problems i.e. fonts / dimensioning
3. CAD
Development· PTE Block Libraries· PTE Template files – refine, introduce
alternatives.
4. CAD Drawing quality control· Establish rigorous
guidelines in conjunction with “The Building Design” Group Audit drawing sets

5. CAD Project Briefing·Stage of project - feasibility, pre-planning or
pre working drawing ·Type - Master planning, new build or refurbishment.·Scale
of project (250 Units or 5 houses)· From the above establish a Directory, File
Structure and necessary template files.
6. Project Auditing·Check
organisation of the Directory / File structure· Open Model files and check
Purging, Limits, blocking alignment etc
7. CAD Assessment / Induction to
new staff·Assessment of their CAD background·Introduction to the PTE House
Type model and CAD reference files·Explanation of PTE Layer convention and the
use of buttons.·Introduction to the PTE 10 CAD Commandments.
8. CAD
Training sessions (Individual & team cycles)· CAD Tips at Wednesday lunch
times to project teams.Individually programmed one hour training sessions.

9. Liaison with Surveyors and Ordnance Survey.
10. CAD Forum –
consisting of Systems Manager / Cad Co-ordinator / Team reps Roger (as chair)
would preside
11. CAD Research software upgrades / developments.·New
releases of AutoCAD / Architectural Desktop / Studio /
Viz

Message 4 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Caff

Well, that's hard for anyone to tell, unless
someone in the group lives in London and can chime in.  That salary is
roughly $33,000 US Dollars, assuming I chose the right conversion.  For the
list you've shown, I'd think that's a little low.  However, I don't know
the economy, etc. is like in London either.  So perhaps $30 Euro is alot
there? (hope Euro is the right term for the currency)

 

Have you looked online for salary calculators that
work for the London market?


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I've
just been offered a position of CAD Manager within an architectural company in
London, 60 full time CAD users. see below for the tasks that have been set. I
have been using CAD since the beginning of Version 9, been unofficially CAD
Manager at various companies throughout my career, and they have offered me
£30,000, is this too low??

I would really appreciate some advice, cheers in advance!


1. CAD Procedures on the Intranet· Review and revise current procedures and
upload
2. CAD Troubleshooting· Day to day on the spot problem solving·
Addressing specific CAD problems i.e. fonts / dimensioning
3. CAD
Development· PTE Block Libraries· PTE Template files – refine, introduce
alternatives.
4. CAD Drawing quality control· Establish rigorous
guidelines in conjunction with “The Building Design” Group Audit drawing sets

5. CAD Project Briefing·Stage of project - feasibility, pre-planning or
pre working drawing ·Type - Master planning, new build or refurbishment.·Scale
of project (250 Units or 5 houses)· From the above establish a Directory, File
Structure and necessary template files.
6. Project Auditing·Check
organisation of the Directory / File structure· Open Model files and check
Purging, Limits, blocking alignment etc
7. CAD Assessment / Induction to
new staff·Assessment of their CAD background·Introduction to the PTE House
Type model and CAD reference files·Explanation of PTE Layer convention and the
use of buttons.·Introduction to the PTE 10 CAD Commandments.
8. CAD
Training sessions (Individual & team cycles)· CAD Tips at Wednesday lunch
times to project teams.Individually programmed one hour training sessions.

9. Liaison with Surveyors and Ordnance Survey.
10. CAD Forum –
consisting of Systems Manager / Cad Co-ordinator / Team reps Roger (as chair)
would preside
11. CAD Research software upgrades / developments.·New
releases of AutoCAD / Architectural Desktop / Studio /
Viz

Message 5 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Caff

Jason Wilder wrote:
> Well, that's hard for anyone to tell, unless someone in the group lives
> in London and can chime in. That salary is roughly $33,000 US Dollars,
> assuming I chose the right conversion.

Actually he is using pounds as the standard british currency then it
would be 47,563.34 in U.S. dollars, today. Of course this fluctuates
with the economy. Like everyone else said, you have to weigh all the
factors and decide if this is the right career move for you.
Message 6 of 19
Caff
in reply to: Caff

Blimey, quick reponses!!

Its an excellent opportunity, as not many positions like this are advertised externally, it normally ends up being the most experienced CAD monkeys job. I am currently freelancing to the company and have been in this role for 6 months now, with 18 months monkeying with the same company, they have offered me the a permanent position for quite a bit less, I currently earn around £36,000 (pounds that is), and I'm also expected to remain doing 50% monkey works as well.

The current average across britain is £35,000, but I'm not sure if this that acurate (Hayes montrose survey). I am swaying towards taking the position for the experience, and just wanted to hear from other people. Cheers
Message 7 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Caff

"Caff" wrote in message
news:f178e86.-1@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...

I would be really concerned with the cost of living in London. I thought it
was atrocious.
Message 8 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Caff

seems low for an experienced person, maybe snag it
show them you can do it and them ask for more later, especially if you can
improve their procedures, most AEC firms can stand an upgrade in cad procedures,
if they are willing to listen.


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I've
just been offered a position of CAD Manager within an architectural company in
London, 60 full time CAD users. see below for the tasks that have been set. I
have been using CAD since the beginning of Version 9, been unofficially CAD
Manager at various companies throughout my career, and they have offered me
£30,000, is this too low??

I would really appreciate some advice, cheers in advance!


1. CAD Procedures on the Intranet· Review and revise current procedures and
upload
2. CAD Troubleshooting· Day to day on the spot problem solving·
Addressing specific CAD problems i.e. fonts / dimensioning
3. CAD
Development· PTE Block Libraries· PTE Template files – refine, introduce
alternatives.
4. CAD Drawing quality control· Establish rigorous
guidelines in conjunction with “The Building Design” Group Audit drawing sets

5. CAD Project Briefing·Stage of project - feasibility, pre-planning or
pre working drawing ·Type - Master planning, new build or refurbishment.·Scale
of project (250 Units or 5 houses)· From the above establish a Directory, File
Structure and necessary template files.
6. Project Auditing·Check
organisation of the Directory / File structure· Open Model files and check
Purging, Limits, blocking alignment etc
7. CAD Assessment / Induction to
new staff·Assessment of their CAD background·Introduction to the PTE House
Type model and CAD reference files·Explanation of PTE Layer convention and the
use of buttons.·Introduction to the PTE 10 CAD Commandments.
8. CAD
Training sessions (Individual & team cycles)· CAD Tips at Wednesday lunch
times to project teams.Individually programmed one hour training sessions.

9. Liaison with Surveyors and Ordnance Survey.
10. CAD Forum –
consisting of Systems Manager / Cad Co-ordinator / Team reps Roger (as chair)
would preside
11. CAD Research software upgrades / developments.·New
releases of AutoCAD / Architectural Desktop / Studio /
Viz

Message 9 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Caff

>>I
currently earn around £36,000

 

Well don't take a paycut!

Discuss it with them. Tell them you already earn
more than they are offering, and maybe they will know you are worth
more.

 


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Blimey,
quick reponses!!

Its an excellent opportunity, as not many positions like this are
advertised externally, it normally ends up being the most experienced CAD
monkeys job. I am currently freelancing to the company and have been in this
role for 6 months now, with 18 months monkeying with the same company, they
have offered me the a permanent position for quite a bit less, I currently
earn around £36,000 (pounds that is), and I'm also expected to remain doing
50% monkey works as well.

The current average across britain is £35,000, but I'm not sure if this
that acurate (Hayes montrose survey). I am swaying towards taking the position
for the experience, and just wanted to hear from other people.
Cheers

Message 10 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Caff

Well, it's not necessarily a paycut, depending on
circumstances.  He mentioned he makes 36 freelancing (i.e. contracting),
but 30 in a fulltime job that I imagine would include benefits, etc?  Which
I'd guess he's paying for out of pocket now if he's currently
self-employed.  So 36 may not really be a lot when you're busy paying for
job perks out of pocket.

 

However, I agree, if you're going from one job
position to another, it'd have to be really good circumstances in both the job
and my lifestyle to be willing to take a paycut.

 

Just a lot of factors to look at.


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>>I
currently earn around £36,000

 

Well don't take a paycut!

Discuss it with them. Tell them you already earn
more than they are offering, and maybe they will know you are worth
more.

 


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Blimey,
quick reponses!!

Its an excellent opportunity, as not many positions like this are
advertised externally, it normally ends up being the most experienced CAD
monkeys job. I am currently freelancing to the company and have been in this
role for 6 months now, with 18 months monkeying with the same company, they
have offered me the a permanent position for quite a bit less, I currently
earn around £36,000 (pounds that is), and I'm also expected to remain doing
50% monkey works as well.

The current average across britain is £35,000, but I'm not sure if this
that acurate (Hayes montrose survey). I am swaying towards taking the
position for the experience, and just wanted to hear from other people.
Cheers

Message 11 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Caff

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:07:30 -0700, Caff
wrote:

>Blimey, quick reponses!!

Its an excellent opportunity, as not many positions like this are advertised externally, it normally ends up being the most experienced CAD monkeys job. I am currently freelancing to the company and have been in this role for 6 months now, with 18 months monkeying with the same company, they have offered me the a permanent position for quite a bit less, I currently earn around £36,000 (pounds that is), and I'm also expected to remain doing 50% monkey works as well.

The current average across britain is £35,000, but I'm not sure if this that acurate (Hayes montrose survey). I am swaying towards taking the position for the experience, and just wanted to hear from other people. Cheers

Don't misunderstand what the term "permanent position" is. It does not
mean a job for life. I was actually offered a "job for life". The
General Manager made a point of calling from Kuwait during the interview
when he offered this on a speakerphone. He was in discussions with a
client. Well, 2 years down the track I was "let go" - so much for it
being a job for life.

The only real difference between a "permanent" employee and a contract
employee is the amount of time required to provide as notice. Yes,
there may be redundancy packages and the like, but these are all built
into (or should be) the rate a contract employee charges. Given the way
some business operate, even these entitlements are not secure.

A good rule is "if there are any doubts, pass it up". If you take a
position with any doubts, then at the first sign of problems you will
want out.

--

Regards,

Ian A. White, CPEng
ianwhite@wai.com.au
WAI Engineering
Sydney 2000
Australia

Ph: +61 418 203 229
Fax: +61 2 9622 0450
Home Page: www.wai.com.au

Message 12 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Caff

Seems very low.
With work slim in my area?
If the job means more to you than the money, experience, (and if it were me)
go for it.

W. Kirk Crawford
Rochester Hills, Michigan

"Caff" wrote in message
news:f178e86.-1@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
I've just been offered a position of CAD Manager within an architectural
company in London, 60 full time CAD users. see below for the tasks that have
been set. I have been using CAD since the beginning of Version 9, been
unofficially CAD Manager at various companies throughout my career, and they
have offered me £30,000, is this too low??
I would really appreciate some advice, cheers in advance!
1. CAD Procedures on the Intranet· Review and revise current procedures and
upload
2. CAD Troubleshooting· Day to day on the spot problem solving· Addressing
specific CAD problems i.e. fonts / dimensioning
3. CAD Development· PTE Block Libraries· PTE Template files - refine,
introduce alternatives.
4. CAD Drawing quality control· Establish rigorous guidelines in conjunction
with "The Building Design" Group Audit drawing sets
5. CAD Project Briefing·Stage of project - feasibility, pre-planning or pre
working drawing ·Type - Master planning, new build or refurbishment.·Scale
of project (250 Units or 5 houses)· From the above establish a Directory,
File Structure and necessary template files.
6. Project Auditing·Check organisation of the Directory / File structure·
Open Model files and check Purging, Limits, blocking alignment etc
7. CAD Assessment / Induction to new staff·Assessment of their CAD
background·Introduction to the PTE House Type model and CAD reference
files·Explanation of PTE Layer convention and the use of
buttons.·Introduction to the PTE 10 CAD Commandments.
8. CAD Training sessions (Individual & team cycles)· CAD Tips at Wednesday
lunch times to project teams.Individually programmed one hour training
sessions.
9. Liaison with Surveyors and Ordnance Survey.
10. CAD Forum - consisting of Systems Manager / Cad Co-ordinator / Team reps
Roger (as chair) would preside
11. CAD Research software upgrades / developments.·New releases of AutoCAD /
Architectural Desktop / Studio / Viz
Message 13 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Caff

And don't forget, health insurance is Plenty Different in London than the
US.

(In the US, you can figure about $5/hour After taxes - and tax deductions
for a family insurance plan with dental coverage - based on 4x40 hrs per
month) .
Message 14 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Caff

OK, £30k in London is difficult, particularly if you live on your own or have dependants and a non-working SO. The figure you
mention sounds right for someone up here in Yorkshire, but for down there, you're looking at the equivalent of £38k or £39k to
maintain the same standard of living.

If it's experience you want, and there is possibility of more later, then go for it, you'll only regret it later!


John Bilton
--
"It seemed like a good idea at the time..."
Message 15 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Caff

One of the smartest guys I ever knew told me to
never take a job for the money.  He was right and after taking the job the
money did come.

 

If you are happy doing what you are doing then
stick with it, if not take the other job.  I took a $10,000 per year paycut
to work for a small firm but what I learned over the couple of years was
priceless.  I was able to do everything from sales to engineering to
fabrication to testing and even installation.  It gave me the knowledge and
desire to take another $20,000 a year paycut to start my own business which I
now work twice the hours but love every minute of it.  Sure it's starting
to pay off but even if I was still making $30,000 a year less I would still do
what I'm doing just because I love it.  And even though it's even more
stress having your own business I'm much healthier now that I control my own
path in life.

 

Maybe ask them if you can continue doing some
contracting on the side instead of trying to ask for more money.  Maybe
you'll luck out and they will be flexible enough to allow you to come in early
and get out early if you need to see one of your clients or something.  As
long as it's not their competition that you are working for.


face=Arial size=2>

--
Rodney
McManamy
President
CADzation

href="http://www.cadzation.com">www.cadzation.com

AcroPlot - The easy way
to convert multiple AutoCAD and Word files to PDF.

href="mailto:rmcmanamy@cadzation.com">rmcmanamy@cadzation.com



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I've
just been offered a position of CAD Manager within an architectural company in
London, 60 full time CAD users. see below for the tasks that have been set. I
have been using CAD since the beginning of Version 9, been unofficially CAD
Manager at various companies throughout my career, and they have offered me
£30,000, is this too low??

I would really appreciate some advice, cheers in advance!


1. CAD Procedures on the Intranet· Review and revise current procedures and
upload
2. CAD Troubleshooting· Day to day on the spot problem solving·
Addressing specific CAD problems i.e. fonts / dimensioning
3. CAD
Development· PTE Block Libraries· PTE Template files – refine, introduce
alternatives.
4. CAD Drawing quality control· Establish rigorous
guidelines in conjunction with “The Building Design” Group Audit drawing sets

5. CAD Project Briefing·Stage of project - feasibility, pre-planning or
pre working drawing ·Type - Master planning, new build or refurbishment.·Scale
of project (250 Units or 5 houses)· From the above establish a Directory, File
Structure and necessary template files.
6. Project Auditing·Check
organisation of the Directory / File structure· Open Model files and check
Purging, Limits, blocking alignment etc
7. CAD Assessment / Induction to
new staff·Assessment of their CAD background·Introduction to the PTE House
Type model and CAD reference files·Explanation of PTE Layer convention and the
use of buttons.·Introduction to the PTE 10 CAD Commandments.
8. CAD
Training sessions (Individual & team cycles)· CAD Tips at Wednesday lunch
times to project teams.Individually programmed one hour training sessions.

9. Liaison with Surveyors and Ordnance Survey.
10. CAD Forum –
consisting of Systems Manager / Cad Co-ordinator / Team reps Roger (as chair)
would preside
11. CAD Research software upgrades / developments.·New
releases of AutoCAD / Architectural Desktop / Studio /
Viz

Message 16 of 19
Caff
in reply to: Caff

Thanks all, for your advice, I would quite like to see through what I've already started and completed, ie the procedures manual, a proper template file, which I'm already seeing results of, and fixing loads of other things that nobody else wants to worry about or even cares about.

So, in saying that, I'm going to 'bite the bullet' and get as much experience as possible over the next 6 months and see where I am then. Thanks again.
Message 17 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Caff

Good luck.  You can never go wrong with
experience.


--
Rodney McManamy
President
CADzation

href="http://www.cadzation.com">www.cadzation.com

AcroPlot - The easy way
to convert multiple AutoCAD and Word files to PDF.

href="mailto:rmcmanamy@cadzation.com">rmcmanamy@cadzation.com



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Thanks
all, for your advice, I would quite like to see through what I've already
started and completed, ie the procedures manual, a proper template file, which
I'm already seeing results of, and fixing loads of other things that nobody
else wants to worry about or even cares about.

So, in saying that, I'm going to 'bite the bullet' and get as much
experience as possible over the next 6 months and see where I am then. Thanks
again.

Message 18 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Caff

.... what I've already started and completed, ie the procedures manual,
a proper template file, which I'm already seeing results of,
and fixing loads of other things that nobody else wants to worry about or
even cares about.

Note: I find there are lots of things to learn.... and ALWAYS more that
NOBODY even cares about...
Do what they need, Learn what they DO care about... then start looking in
earnest.

The next job will have more to do, and Other things to care about.
Message 19 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Caff

I have only just spotted this letter and I can see that you have already decided but I did just want to tell you that the salary conversion you were given is incorrect. The exchange rate is more like 1.5 pounds to the dollar, so the salary at $45,000 is pretty good.

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