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*Rollins, Andy
Message 1 of 29 (74 Views)

Similar to salary survey.. hourly?

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12-10-2003 04:14 AM
Ok I think I'm a rare breed.. just curious how rare. Anyone else on an
hourly rate like myself? OT? The owners have encouraged me to go salary
but I've refused. Some weeks I work 80 hours and it would just kill my
motivation completely to be salary at a time like that. And with no lack of
work here so far, I'm not worried about a slow down and them sending me home
early or anything. So anyone else hourly? (not so much curious about pay..
just wondering if I'm alone)

Ok just a little clarification on my position: Company of about 40
employees. I am also the lead drafter... meaning I take on the major
projects of my company. I also decide cad standards and maintain 90% of the
IT responsibilities. So since I still do put out work.. about 70% of my
time is billable.

--
Andy Rollins
CAD Manager
Jones & Beach Engineers, Inc.
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dysan
Posts: 49
Registered: ‎12-11-2003
Message 2 of 29 (74 Views)

Re: Similar to salary survey.. hourly?

12-10-2003 04:28 AM in reply to: *Rollins, Andy
I am Paid by the Hour aswell were i work.
I have many hats here. Im IT Admin, Help Desk, CAD Mgr, and last but not least CAD Designer. My hours do vary from time to time. but that suits me just fine. They flux from from norm. to 130 hrs between pay periods.
*Matt
Message 3 of 29 (74 Views)

Re: Similar to salary survey.. hourly?

12-10-2003 04:45 AM in reply to: *Rollins, Andy
Hourly hear. No way, under our workload would I work salary. Average 50
hours/week, sometimes more to meet deadlines. 10-15 employees, like you I
am the lead. I spend a good deal of time in design. I also try to keep
things rolling, enforcing (somewhat) standards, pulling together loose ends
to complete package. I play IT and cadmanager. 70-80% billable.
Matt

"Andy Rollins" wrote in message
news:4B2F2049A95BCD4C768EE3F5533030F0@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Ok I think I'm a rare breed.. just curious how rare. Anyone else on an
> hourly rate like myself? OT? The owners have encouraged me to go salary
> but I've refused. Some weeks I work 80 hours and it would just kill my
> motivation completely to be salary at a time like that. And with no lack
of
> work here so far, I'm not worried about a slow down and them sending me
home
> early or anything. So anyone else hourly? (not so much curious about
pay..
> just wondering if I'm alone)
>
> Ok just a little clarification on my position: Company of about 40
> employees. I am also the lead drafter... meaning I take on the major
> projects of my company. I also decide cad standards and maintain 90% of
the
> IT responsibilities. So since I still do put out work.. about 70% of my
> time is billable.
>
> --
> Andy Rollins
> CAD Manager
> Jones & Beach Engineers, Inc.
>
>
*DETRICK, KARL
Message 4 of 29 (74 Views)

Re: Similar to salary survey.. hourly?

12-10-2003 05:16 AM in reply to: *Rollins, Andy
I am hourly as well, no time and a 1/2 but paid straight for every hour I
work
I average 50+ hours per week.

I would hold on to the hourly rate unless they could exceed what
you make with all the extra hours. look at the last check stub of the
year and compare the gross, I would also hire and
start delegating work if you work 80 hour a week.




Karl Detrick
Cadd Manager
Creighton Manning Engineering
Albany, New York

08.01.0007 v8
08.04 inroads
Autocad 2000
LDD3

"Andy Rollins" wrote in message
news:4B2F2049A95BCD4C768EE3F5533030F0@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Ok I think I'm a rare breed.. just curious how rare. Anyone else on an
> hourly rate like myself? OT? The owners have encouraged me to go salary
> but I've refused. Some weeks I work 80 hours and it would just kill my
> motivation completely to be salary at a time like that. And with no lack
of
> work here so far, I'm not worried about a slow down and them sending me
home
> early or anything. So anyone else hourly? (not so much curious about
pay..
> just wondering if I'm alone)
>
> Ok just a little clarification on my position: Company of about 40
> employees. I am also the lead drafter... meaning I take on the major
> projects of my company. I also decide cad standards and maintain 90% of
the
> IT responsibilities. So since I still do put out work.. about 70% of my
> time is billable.
>
> --
> Andy Rollins
> CAD Manager
> Jones & Beach Engineers, Inc.
>
>
*Gump, F.
Message 5 of 29 (74 Views)

Re: Similar to salary survey.. hourly?

12-10-2003 05:25 AM in reply to: *Rollins, Andy
>>Some weeks I work 80 hours

So, use that as an average, and go salary :smileyhappy:



"Andy Rollins" wrote in message
news:4B2F2049A95BCD4C768EE3F5533030F0@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Ok I think I'm a rare breed.. just curious how rare. Anyone else on an
> hourly rate like myself? OT? The owners have encouraged me to go salary
> but I've refused. Some weeks I work 80 hours and it would just kill my
> motivation completely to be salary at a time like that. And with no lack
of
> work here so far, I'm not worried about a slow down and them sending me
home
> early or anything. So anyone else hourly? (not so much curious about
pay..
> just wondering if I'm alone)
>
> Ok just a little clarification on my position: Company of about 40
> employees. I am also the lead drafter... meaning I take on the major
> projects of my company. I also decide cad standards and maintain 90% of
the
> IT responsibilities. So since I still do put out work.. about 70% of my
> time is billable.
>
> --
> Andy Rollins
> CAD Manager
> Jones & Beach Engineers, Inc.
>
>
*Jessup, Allen
Message 6 of 29 (74 Views)

Re: Similar to salary survey.. hourly?

12-10-2003 05:32 AM in reply to: *Rollins, Andy
Hourly. Since I'm a Civil Servant. My official title is Engineering
Specialist. My job is CAD/Survey Manager. No OT. Any time over regular time
is Time + 1/2 as Comp. time. Don't get too much of that since we don't have
the hard deadlines that most places have. Most of the time I get comp. is
when there is an emergency in the field and I'm thrown out into the real
world. Here in the Hudson Valley of N.Y. that usually means flooding from a
hurricane, tropical storm or Nor'Easter.

Allen Jessup
Rockland County Highway Dept.

"Andy Rollins" wrote in message
news:4B2F2049A95BCD4C768EE3F5533030F0@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Ok I think I'm a rare breed.. just curious how rare. Anyone else on an
> hourly rate like myself? OT? The owners have encouraged me to go salary
> but I've refused. Some weeks I work 80 hours and it would just kill my
> motivation completely to be salary at a time like that. And with no lack
of
> work here so far, I'm not worried about a slow down and them sending me
home
> early or anything. So anyone else hourly? (not so much curious about
pay..
> just wondering if I'm alone)
>
> Ok just a little clarification on my position: Company of about 40
> employees. I am also the lead drafter... meaning I take on the major
> projects of my company. I also decide cad standards and maintain 90% of
the
> IT responsibilities. So since I still do put out work.. about 70% of my
> time is billable.
>
> --
> Andy Rollins
> CAD Manager
> Jones & Beach Engineers, Inc.
>
>
Distinguished Contributor
slacker
Posts: 409
Registered: ‎12-12-2003
Message 7 of 29 (74 Views)

Re: Similar to salary survey.. hourly?

12-10-2003 08:15 AM in reply to: *Rollins, Andy
Hourly here, OT is time+1/2. Company has about 1000 employees, about 50% have CAD, maybe 75% of those actually produce dwgs. All in all, the usual responsibilities - production work, standards, customization, training, plotting support, etc. I personally only perform minor IT stuff, like CAD installs and basic Windows support. We have a large and competent IT dept. I am usually about 75% project billable, average about 45 hours week.


I have been asked to go to salary a couple times in the last few years. I gave them my price and how I came up with it, and they changed their mind. Which is what I wanted.


I basically sat down, went through my previous 52 weeks' time sheets, calculated the gross amount of what I actually made over the last 52 weeks at my current rate + OT, added 5% for those all too occasional hours I work that I don't bill for, then added 10% (on principle, in expectation of them expecting me to work additional hours as a salaried worker). Offered that as a base salary, with a guaranteed minimum 5% raise each year (called it a cost of living raise).

They had figured they could get me at my hourly rate*40hours*52weeks+6%, and even worse, they foolishly thought it would be an increase over what I made. I guess they didn't realize how much time I am really here, since they are rarely around themselves.

I am just glad they didn't try to force it on me, or I would have been out of there. Though, if they would have met my price, I would have taken it!
*Garcia, Emmanuel A.
Message 8 of 29 (74 Views)

Re: Similar to salary survey.. hourly?

12-10-2003 10:12 AM in reply to: *Rollins, Andy
Andy,

Check with your local labor department laws and look for the definition of
"EXCEMPT EMPLOYEES," or consult with a lawyer. To be an excempt employee in
California you must spend most of your time managing others, not working in
production. There are other ways to be excempt, for example, if you provide
"professional" services like law, medicine but usually those also require
the employee to have a masters of higher degree.

An interesting thing is that employers that break the law could be liable
for overtime pay retroactively.

Regards,

Emmanuel

"Andy Rollins" wrote in message
news:4B2F2049A95BCD4C768EE3F5533030F0@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Ok I think I'm a rare breed.. just curious how rare. Anyone else on an
> hourly rate like myself? OT? The owners have encouraged me to go salary
> but I've refused. Some weeks I work 80 hours and it would just kill my
> motivation completely to be salary at a time like that. And with no lack
of
> work here so far, I'm not worried about a slow down and them sending me
home
> early or anything. So anyone else hourly? (not so much curious about
pay..
> just wondering if I'm alone)
>
> Ok just a little clarification on my position: Company of about 40
> employees. I am also the lead drafter... meaning I take on the major
> projects of my company. I also decide cad standards and maintain 90% of
the
> IT responsibilities. So since I still do put out work.. about 70% of my
> time is billable.
>
> --
> Andy Rollins
> CAD Manager
> Jones & Beach Engineers, Inc.
>
>
Distinguished Contributor
old-cadaver
Posts: 5,183
Registered: ‎12-12-2003
Message 9 of 29 (74 Views)

Re:

12-10-2003 10:30 AM in reply to: *Rollins, Andy
"Design", being an intellectual property, finds itself in an odd position pertaining to the wage exemption clause. California may have different statutes, but our test cases with the federal statutes place many of our senior people in "exempt" status, even if doing "production" drawings. AS an employer, it would behoove one to get complete clarification of compliance requirements from the governing entity.
*Peruna, 3D
Message 10 of 29 (74 Views)

Re:

12-10-2003 11:27 AM in reply to: *Rollins, Andy
"KARL DETRICK" wrote in message
news:F3E429E36E4BA9F232FC0B215B02E0E3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I am hourly as well, no time and a 1/2 but paid straight for every hour I
> work
> I average 50+ hours per week.
>
> I would hold on to the hourly rate unless they could exceed what
> you make with all the extra hours. look at the last check stub of the
> year and compare the gross, I would also hire and
> start delegating work if you work 80 hour a week.

Isn't straight time for over 40 hours in a week illegal?

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