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Randy for your quick reply. I need as many opinions as I can get because I'm
on the war path. I would like to be able to print out the response to this and
go to my boss. We have some people here turning out plans that don't meet our
standards but because these people are higher up the food chain that me, I
can't do much about it without some support.
Kim
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I hit Enter too soon. My question is to all CAD Managers (official or not). Do
the engineers/architects in your office turn out their own sets of plans? Or
do you have draftsman or CAD operators who do the plans. Is it too much to
expect an engineer/architect to know all the ins and outs of AutoCAD, Civil
Design, Survey, ADT, etc.? If your engineers/architects do their own drafting,
how is it? Are they plans that you can be proud of or are they slopped
together things that you hope you never have to revise? Please let me know
your thoughts/experiences.
Kim Artz
Washington County
Engineering
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There is no right answer.
I am the cad manager in a civil
engineering/surveying office with about 15 AutoCAD users. I have been
using AutoCAD since 1987, release 2.6. I have
done lots of customizing, and some lisp programming. I am not the
fastest, but we use LDD2 and I am the most familiar with the DESIGN features
of the software. We have no real standards
here. I've been trying to get some in place for several years. The
drafters won't have anything to do with letting someone tell them how to do
their jobs, or how "their" drawings should look. They each do their own
thing outside a few guidelines for fonts and linetypes. Somehow all the
people putting out plans seem to create acceptable work (i.e. No one has
anything bad to say about anyone else's drawings/plans).
If your firm is using the software for design,
then the DESIGNER should be using CADD (computer assisted
drafting/DESIGNING). I see no reason to sketch a road centerline on a
piece of paper so someone who has no idea why I put it there can trace it into
CADD for me. I can put it there faster, and with more thought given to
the design myself. I realize that things vary greatly from discipline to
discipline, but for land development work I feel we are moving away from an
engineer/drafter team to a designer environment.
In our office the top CADD users consist of
licensed engineers and surveyors. They are not as fast as the cad jocks,
but are more accurate, and more knowledgeable about what the software will do
for them, and therefore can speed up the "design process". If we could
find more qualified drafters we would hire them. They don't seem to be
available.
It sounds to me like you have a problem with
standards, and personnel, not a problem with who is producing your
drawings. Anyone who cares about what they are doing has no excuse for
producing a graphically poor plan set.
Just my $0.02,
Audie D. Osgood, P.E.
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I hit Enter too soon. My question is to all CAD Managers (official or not).
Do the engineers/architects in your office turn out their own sets of plans?
Or do you have draftsman or CAD operators who do the plans. Is it too much
to expect an engineer/architect to know all the ins and outs of AutoCAD,
Civil Design, Survey, ADT, etc.? If your engineers/architects do their own
drafting, how is it? Are they plans that you can be proud of or are they
slopped together things that you hope you never have to revise? Please let
me know your thoughts/experiences.
Kim Artz
Washington County
Engineering
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kartzSorry, I hit Enter too soon. My questionwrote in message
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is to all CAD Managers (official or not). Do the engineers/architects in your
office turn out their own sets of plans? Or do you have draftsman or CAD
operators who do the plans. Is it too much to expect an engineer/architect to
know all the ins and outs of AutoCAD, Civil Design, Survey, ADT, etc.? If your
engineers/architects do their own drafting, how is it? Are they plans that you
can be proud of or are they slopped together things that you hope you never
have to revise? Please let me know your thoughts/experiences.
Kim Artz
Washington County Engineering
This seems much more natural to me, and allows the engineers to make
the important design decisions w/o having to spend lots of time redlining.
-Eva
Dennis McNeal wrote:
Kim, In our small six person office, 3
partners, 2 drafters & 1 admin I am the only architect that designs
& documents with CAD. I have one partner that won't ever convert &
a senior partner that is highly interested (so the jury's out on him).
The drafters are strickly redline types who don't understand building &
design enough to work unsupervised. We use Architectural Desktop 3
& utilize the 3d model concept when it makes sense. This stuff works
really well but requires some serious skill. I'm not sure there's
a clear cut answer to your question. Some professionals have an apptitude
for CAD while others are better off doing pencil sketches, making redlines,
marketing, doing CA, etc.. Some have the ability to evolve. Dennis
McNealArchitectural Resources
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in message...Sorry, I hit Enter too soon.
My question is to all CAD Managers (official or not). Do the engineers/architects
in your office turn out their own sets of plans? Or do you have draftsman
or CAD operators who do the plans. Is it too much to expect an engineer/architect
to know all the ins and outs of AutoCAD, Civil Design, Survey, ADT, etc.?
If your engineers/architects do their own drafting, how is it? Are they
plans that you can be proud of or are they slopped together things that
you hope you never have to revise? Please let me know your thoughts/experiences.
Kim Artz
Washington County Engineering
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see a major move coming in the industry, actually...not for more engineers to
design in CAD, but for more CAD drafters to do design. My office is
making a major effort to train the drafters in design principles (e.g., every
room needs a light switch and it goes on the RHS of the door...)
This seems much more natural to me, and allows the engineers to make the
important design decisions w/o having to spend lots of time redlining.
-Eva
Dennis McNeal wrote:
Kim, In our small six person office, 3
partners, 2 drafters & 1 admin I am the only architect that designs
& documents with CAD. I have one partner that won't ever convert & a
senior partner that is highly interested (so the jury's out on him). The
drafters are strickly redline types who don't understand building &
design enough to work unsupervised. We use Architectural Desktop 3
& utilize the 3d model concept when it makes sense. This stuff works
really well but requires some serious skill. I'm not sure there's a
clear cut answer to your question. Some professionals have an apptitude for
CAD while others are better off doing pencil sketches, making redlines,
marketing, doing CA, etc.. Some have the ability to evolve. Dennis
McNealArchitectural Resources
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in message...Sorry, I hit Enter too
soon. My question is to all CAD Managers (official or not). Do the
engineers/architects in your office turn out their own sets of plans? Or
do you have draftsman or CAD operators who do the plans. Is it too much to
expect an engineer/architect to know all the ins and outs of AutoCAD,
Civil Design, Survey, ADT, etc.? If your engineers/architects do their own
drafting, how is it? Are they plans that you can be proud of or are they
slopped together things that you hope you never have to revise? Please let
me know your thoughts/experiences.
Kim Artz
Washington County
Engineering