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opinions on sheet set manager for small jobs

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Anonymous
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opinions on sheet set manager for small jobs

Just after any opinions on the worth of using sheet set manager for small projects (less than 10 drawings).

My own opinion is it makes an already complex process more so. They seem to get ideas from revit and then attempt to shoe-horn them into autocad with mixed success.

...just my opinion.
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Message 2 of 17
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

still on 2004 - so I have no idea about sheet sets. For our under $10 million jobs - we xref everything into one drawing, and then
the sheets are simply layout tabs - then we plot all layout tabs....

this is very handy for us - once we have 1 layout set-up we simply cop it and adjust it...


--
Princess Jamie,

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
- Anais Nin

wrote in message news:5090736@discussion.autodesk.com...
Just after any opinions on the worth of using sheet set manager for small projects (less than 10 drawings).

My own opinion is it makes an already complex process more so. They seem to get ideas from revit and then attempt to shoe-horn them
into autocad with mixed success.

...just my opinion.
Message 3 of 17
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

just one person per project??
"PJ" wrote in message
news:5090809@discussion.autodesk.com...
still on 2004 - so I have no idea about sheet sets. For our under $10
million jobs - we xref everything into one drawing, and then
the sheets are simply layout tabs - then we plot all layout tabs....

this is very handy for us - once we have 1 layout set-up we simply cop it
and adjust it...


--
Princess Jamie,

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
- Anais Nin

wrote in message news:5090736@discussion.autodesk.com...
Just after any opinions on the worth of using sheet set manager for small
projects (less than 10 drawings).

My own opinion is it makes an already complex process more so. They seem to
get ideas from revit and then attempt to shoe-horn them
into autocad with mixed success.

...just my opinion.
Message 4 of 17
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

~shrug~ I like to use the SSM for small projects if they're frequently
accessed/printed. batch printing with the ability to override the layout's
saved page setups are my reason. it only takes about 2 minutes to create the
SS, and then about 10 seconds to plot the drawings.

fwiw, I work in FM, so I frequently have to access older prints, it's not
like I do a job and it disappears into the archives, so I'm sure that colors
my opinions on this.

wrote in message news:5090736@discussion.autodesk.com...
Just after any opinions on the worth of using sheet set manager for small
projects (less than 10 drawings).

My own opinion is it makes an already complex process more so. They seem to
get ideas from revit and then attempt to shoe-horn them into autocad with
mixed success.

...just my opinion.
Message 5 of 17
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

one for spec, one for interior design, one for the rest...

interior lays there stuff out in a separate dwg with the floor plan as an overlay and that gets xref'd into the sheet drawing

we can do up to $10 mil jobs with this method quite easily (mostly interior renovations in large urban hospitals)

--
Princess Jamie,

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
- Anais Nin

"Elvis Landaverde" wrote in message news:5090931@discussion.autodesk.com...
just one person per project??
"PJ" wrote in message
news:5090809@discussion.autodesk.com...
still on 2004 - so I have no idea about sheet sets. For our under $10
million jobs - we xref everything into one drawing, and then
the sheets are simply layout tabs - then we plot all layout tabs....

this is very handy for us - once we have 1 layout set-up we simply cop it
and adjust it...


--
Princess Jamie,

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
- Anais Nin

wrote in message news:5090736@discussion.autodesk.com...
Just after any opinions on the worth of using sheet set manager for small
projects (less than 10 drawings).

My own opinion is it makes an already complex process more so. They seem to
get ideas from revit and then attempt to shoe-horn them
into autocad with mixed success.

...just my opinion.
Message 6 of 17
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Sheet Set Manager....very easy to set up.....save a lot of time...easy for
plotting.....easy to navigate.....even for small projects very worth
while....

Just allow yourself some time to investigate before dismissing it.

Leo

"melanie stone" wrote in message
news:5090972@discussion.autodesk.com...
~shrug~ I like to use the SSM for small projects if they're frequently
accessed/printed. batch printing with the ability to override the layout's
saved page setups are my reason. it only takes about 2 minutes to create the
SS, and then about 10 seconds to plot the drawings.

fwiw, I work in FM, so I frequently have to access older prints, it's not
like I do a job and it disappears into the archives, so I'm sure that colors
my opinions on this.

wrote in message news:5090736@discussion.autodesk.com...
Just after any opinions on the worth of using sheet set manager for small
projects (less than 10 drawings).

My own opinion is it makes an already complex process more so. They seem to
get ideas from revit and then attempt to shoe-horn them into autocad with
mixed success.

...just my opinion.
Message 7 of 17
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

We like very much.

We very much like to link fields to SSM.

We very much like the archive feature for archiving different phases (SD,
DD, BID, CD,etc.)

We very much like the Sheet Set template (with linked fields and the like).

We do not like SSM on jobs that are only a few sheets that can be tabbed in
Layouts. Depends on what a "small" job is to you. We have some "small jobs"
with lots of reference files so SSM helps navigate all our reference folders
quite easily.
wrote in message news:5090736@discussion.autodesk.com...
Just after any opinions on the worth of using sheet set manager for small
projects (less than 10 drawings).

My own opinion is it makes an already complex process more so. They seem to
get ideas from revit and then attempt to shoe-horn them into autocad with
mixed success.

...just my opinion.
Message 8 of 17
cprettyman
in reply to: Anonymous

With a little experience, etc, SSM is easy to implement, and saveas time on small jobs as well as large. I'd say it is easier to implement on all jobs, rather than picking and choosing.
Message 9 of 17
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I agree. On large projects, multi story, I can see a time savings. On one
story 6 page residential, really no advantage other than some linking.

wrote in message news:5090736@discussion.autodesk.com...
Just after any opinions on the worth of using sheet set manager for small
projects (less than 10 drawings).

My own opinion is it makes an already complex process more so. They seem to
get ideas from revit and then attempt to shoe-horn them into autocad with
mixed success.

...just my opinion.
Message 10 of 17
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I use it on 4 page projects. If you set up a template with the sheet
sets you can make sheet numbering, titling, and any other information
that may repepat anywhere in your package extremely simple to deal with
and modify quickly.

This has really helped my drafters considerably making our plans look
more proffessional without the simple mistakes that used to plague us.

kemp

jmcintyre wrote:
> Just after any opinions on the worth of using sheet set manager for small projects (less than 10 drawings).
>
> My own opinion is it makes an already complex process more so. They seem to get ideas from revit and then attempt to shoe-horn them into autocad with mixed success.
>
> ...just my opinion.
Message 11 of 17
jatkiss
in reply to: Anonymous

how does SSM work with revisions to drawings ? As when we revise a drawing, it's filename changes to incorporate a new version number of the drawing. Is it a pain to trawl through the SSM modifying all the file references ? Or does it keep track of changes such as this ?

I only ask as I will soon need to do approximately 50 (or so) layout tabs from a model that is 5km x 5km. As you can imagine, this will take some doing in SSM.

Is it even worthwhile doing this in SSM, considering my requirement to plan for revisions to each layout before I even set off ?
I obviously will be creating each layout in a separate dwg file then x-ref'ing each model that is created.

All help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Message 12 of 17
jorgeledezma
in reply to: Anonymous

$ vs number of dwgs? interesting relationship...

By the way the best practices says that each single drawing has to be in a single file.
Message 13 of 17
kbellson
in reply to: Anonymous

i think that with the publishing features it helps with all sized plan sets.
if you set up your page set ups in your titleblock drawings then you can chose from them in the publish dialog when plotting the set.

the trick to set up the page setup is this:

open your titleblock drawing (the titleblock is in model space)
switch to layout
draw the limits of your titleblock.
open page setup manager.
create new (name it same as plotter/pc3)
you must use extents or layout (extents is easier)
repeat for each type of plot scenerio.

now when you insert the titleblock into your drawing all the setups are already there.
and when using the publish dialog box from the sheet set manager you can select from the page setups that you have in each drawing.

another nice feature of the sheet set manager is the ability to link fields to the title block.
we dont edit our attributes in the titleblock anymore, we edit them from the sheet set manager.
that took a little bit to set up but in the end there is no additional work now. and if you want to add a sheet its easier and there is less chance of mispellings.

plus with having everyone use it all the time there familiaraity with the sheet set manger increases and less problems with the bigger 50+ plan sets.

at the time i was creating it i couldnt find many answers to my problems but eventually i figured it out.

basically create the fields and sheet set variables on an active set then wblock your title block back out and save the sheet set example with all your variables.
Message 14 of 17
jatkiss
in reply to: Anonymous

thanks for your help kb, but unfortunately none of what you wrote, is relevant to what i asked.
Message 15 of 17
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

that's an oversimplification. the size of the job and team working on it dictate the setup.

--
Princess Jamie,

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
- Anais Nin

wrote in message news:5109294@discussion.autodesk.com...
$ vs number of dwgs? interesting relationship...

By the way the best practices says that each single drawing has to be in a single file.
Message 16 of 17
kbellson
in reply to: Anonymous

sorry, sometimes i hit reply to the last post when im replying to the original post.
i assume that all the posts are for the OP.
Message 17 of 17
Gators
in reply to: Anonymous

SSM can be handy on any size project. The setup can be automated fairly easily and I have done so for my company. Sheet titles and numbers are automatically updated once typed into SSM, thanks to the way the blocks are set up. It can save time even on a 10 drawing set, but it also ensures quality and consistency if you happen to renumber sheets. I also use it to keep my employees to get in the habit of using it, period. Don't squable or think over "is this project too small or too big". It's easy to use, so just use it on all projects. It's also very convenient for opening and looking for drawings...eliminates all the guess work or having to go straight to the index. It's all right in front of you.

As for putting a ton of drawings in 1 file using layout times, in our firm, that has shown to be evil, evil, evil. Especially when you have imagery involved.

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