National Cad Standards Adoption

[Anonymous]

How are your firms providing documentation to your users regarding your
"adoption/interpretation" of the National Cad Standards? Specifically, can
the documentation be presented on your corporate intranet, or did you have
to reproduce the documentation and provide hardcopies? (Dust collectors - I
don't think average users will read them). I was reading the previous
threads on NCS, and someone mentioned a url link to licence someone's cad
standard instead of recreating it, but I couldn't find the link listed
anywhere.

Thanks,

--
Richard Binning
rlbinnin@thehaskellco.com
"America's Design-Build Leader"

[Anonymous]

We are integrating the NCS into our company cad standards. We've had a published
corporate standard since 92 and it has been constantly updated since. In my opinion it
would not be legal to reproduce the NCS verbatim in either an electronic or hard copy
format. You would have to buy a copy of the NCS for each person that you would issue it
to. We are using the NCS as a go by. Some things (most) are being adopted, but
re-written so that the issues are more understandable to our users. The things that are
not being adopted as a company standard are being provided for in our company standard.
For instance if there is a job that compliance with the NCS is mandatory we will do it
this way. If it's not mandatory then we will do it this way.

Once finished the new standard will be published to our corporate intranet in some type
(maybe multiple types) of format. Our previous cad standard was published as a pdf file
with everything linked, which was very easy to navigate but not very good at searches.
I'd like to find a format that is easy to navigate, easy to publish and can be indexed by
site server.

I've seen some links to cad standard templates but don't have any handy. I haven't seen a
template based on the NCS.

hth

jason martin
frankfurt-short-bruza
"Richard Binning" wrote in message
news:2AE191E96989BA3E29271FBC8CDD817B@in.WebX.SaUCah8kaAW...
> How are your firms providing documentation to your users regarding your
> "adoption/interpretation" of the National Cad Standards? Specifically, can
> the documentation be presented on your corporate intranet, or did you have
> to reproduce the documentation and provide hardcopies? (Dust collectors - I
> don't think average users will read them). I was reading the previous
> threads on NCS, and someone mentioned a url link to licence someone's cad
> standard instead of recreating it, but I couldn't find the link listed
> anywhere.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Richard Binning
> rlbinnin@thehaskellco.com
> "America's Design-Build Leader"
>

[Anonymous]

Richard,

I am going to send you a address to the LAX link for their CAD Standard. It
is at LAWA ...just search LAWA, but it will take you all day...so I will
send you the actual URL you need. It is there for the public for use by
outside contractors.

I wrote it......I don't know if it is any good, but no one has used it yet.
The contractors keep claiming ignorance.

It will be later today.

jack Talsky
"Richard Binning" wrote in message
news:2AE191E96989BA3E29271FBC8CDD817B@in.WebX.SaUCah8kaAW...
> How are your firms providing documentation to your users regarding your
> "adoption/interpretation" of the National Cad Standards? Specifically,
can
> the documentation be presented on your corporate intranet, or did you have
> to reproduce the documentation and provide hardcopies? (Dust collectors -
I
> don't think average users will read them). I was reading the previous
> threads on NCS, and someone mentioned a url link to licence someone's cad
> standard instead of recreating it, but I couldn't find the link listed
> anywhere.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Richard Binning
> rlbinnin@thehaskellco.com
> "America's Design-Build Leader"
>

[Anonymous]

Jason, you bring up an interesting point,

>In my opinion it
> would not be legal to reproduce the NCS verbatim in either an electronic
or hard copy
> format. You would have to buy a copy of the NCS for each person that you
would issue it
> to.

I just ordered the NCS with the intention of adopting the standard for our
office, and reproducing the standards documentation in our office cad
manual. While I might not reproduce it verbatim, I intend to copy/cut/paste
as much as possible. If I can copy whole chapters, all the better. I think
it is completly appropriate to do this. I do not see the NCS as production
tool like acad or adt, more like a reference similar to the architectural
book "Graphic Standards." I do not feel obligated at all to buy a copy for
every workstation, just as I do not feel obligated to purchase "Graphic
Standards" for every workstation. I do feel obligated to have a liscenced
copy of all software tools like MSOffice, MSProject, ACT!, Autocad etc. on
each desk.

I am interested in how others view this issue.

[Anonymous]

Thanks!...I saw reference to your LAWA cad standard previously in another
thread, but was unsuccessful in downloading (even after filling out the
form!)...looking forward to it.

--
Richard Binning
rlbinnin@thehaskellco.com
"America's Design-Build Leader"
"Jack Talsky" wrote in message
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> Richard,
>
> I am going to send you a address to the LAX link for their CAD Standard.
It
> is at LAWA ...just search LAWA, but it will take you all day...so I will
> send you the actual URL you need. It is there for the public for use by
> outside contractors.
>
> I wrote it......I don't know if it is any good, but no one has used it
yet.
> The contractors keep claiming ignorance.
>
> It will be later today.
>
> jack Talsky
> "Richard Binning" wrote in message
> news:2AE191E96989BA3E29271FBC8CDD817B@in.WebX.SaUCah8kaAW...
> > How are your firms providing documentation to your users regarding your
> > "adoption/interpretation" of the National Cad Standards? Specifically,
> can
> > the documentation be presented on your corporate intranet, or did you
have
> > to reproduce the documentation and provide hardcopies? (Dust
collectors -
> I
> > don't think average users will read them). I was reading the previous
> > threads on NCS, and someone mentioned a url link to licence someone's
cad
> > standard instead of recreating it, but I couldn't find the link listed
> > anywhere.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> > Richard Binning
> > rlbinnin@thehaskellco.com
> > "America's Design-Build Leader"
> >
>

[Anonymous]

I agree it is not legal to reproduce the UDS version either...and they are
not forthcoming in providing permission to provide access to it over our
intranet. I understand generic copyright interpretation to mean that if one
changes the document 20% or more it is now unique...but I don't think this
is entirely ethical.

I too am curious as to how others view this issue.

Thanks,
--
Richard Binning
rlbinnin@thehaskellco.com
"America's Design-Build Leader"

"Kurt Westerlund" wrote in message
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> Jason, you bring up an interesting point,
>
> >In my opinion it

[Anonymous]

Kurt -
From the NCS
Copyright (c) 1999 by the National Institute of Building Sciences.
All rights reserved. Reproduction of this document, in whole or in part, by any means,
such as by any mechanical, photographic, or electronic process, or utilization of this
document other than in its original form, such as by phonographic or tape recording,
storage in a retrieval system or transmission for public or private use, or copying all or
portions of this document fore resale or redistribution, without written permission from
the National Institute of Building Sciences is strictly prohibited.
From the AIA CLG
(c) 1997 The American Institute of Architects
The designation recommended in this book may be freely used by anyone for the naming of
CAD layers in any application. Other reproduction or copying of the book in whole or in
part is prohibited without written permission from The American Institute of Architects.
The tri-services plotting guidelines appears not to have a copyright besides the NCS one.
From the UDS
(c) Copyright 1997 U.S. All rights reserved, including World rights and Electronic
rights. U.S. copyright held by the Construction Specifications Institute, 601 Madison
Street, Alexandria, VA 22314. No part of this publication may be reproduced without
permission from the publisher, nor may any part of this publication be reproduced, stored
in a retrieval system, or copied by mechanical photocopying, recording, or other means,
known or hereafter invented, or by all means, methods, and processes known and hereafter
invented, without permission of the publisher.

Are they going to come after you if you make copies??? Your guess is as good as mine, but
officially it appears that you cannot copy it. In our integration of the NCS into our cad
standards we don't use any of the figures directly, and we don't use the text verbatim.
We re-draw any item that is needed, using our format, and re-write any text needed using
our terms and format.

See what you made me do. Now I've reproduced portions of the documents and they're going
to hunt me down. Hide me...

"Kurt Westerlund" wrote in message
news:07F2D650299400ADB4E89B409E9071CE@in.WebX.SaUCah8kaAW...
> Jason, you bring up an interesting point,
(snip)
> I just ordered the NCS with the intention of adopting the standard for our
> office, and reproducing the standards documentation in our office cad
> manual. While I might not reproduce it verbatim, I intend to copy/cut/paste
> as much as possible. If I can copy whole chapters, all the better. I think
> it is completly appropriate to do this. I do not see the NCS as production
> tool like acad or adt, more like a reference similar to the architectural
> book "Graphic Standards." I do not feel obligated at all to buy a copy for
> every workstation, just as I do not feel obligated to purchase "Graphic
> Standards" for every workstation. I do feel obligated to have a liscenced
> copy of all software tools like MSOffice, MSProject, ACT!, Autocad etc. on
> each desk.
>
> I am interested in how others view this issue.
>

[Anonymous]

Richard,

Try this attachment which will take you directly to the page in the URL.

The third item in the list is the CAD STandard. VOL@CAD and the column on
the left, same row, is the AutoCAD layers, blocks, dimstyles, etc. So the
column on the left is the pdf files of the standard and the column on the
right is the autocad standards themselves.

Hope this helps....They have now fixed the site so it works. No form to
fill out.

If the attachement does not work, you just type LAWA and search. Go to the
LAWA home page and from there select Business Opportunites and from there
select CAD STandards and that will get you to the same page as the
attachment I am including.

Jack Talsky

Richard Binning wrote in message
news:FD56A29484C4D8E24CDF482ED4AC7A20@in.WebX.SaUCah8kaAW...
> Thanks!...I saw reference to your LAWA cad standard previously in another
> thread, but was unsuccessful in downloading (even after filling out the
> form!)...looking forward to it.
>
> --
> Richard Binning
> rlbinnin@thehaskellco.com
> "America's Design-Build Leader"
> "Jack Talsky" wrote in message
> news:1808F157812B2F0F00D3D938D4D381C3@in.WebX.SaUCah8kaAW...
> > Richard,
> >
> > I am going to send you a address to the LAX link for their CAD Standard.
> It
> > is at LAWA ...just search LAWA, but it will take you all day...so I will
> > send you the actual URL you need. It is there for the public for use by
> > outside contractors.
> >
> > I wrote it......I don't know if it is any good, but no one has used it
> yet.
> > The contractors keep claiming ignorance.
> >
> > It will be later today.
> >
> > jack Talsky
> > "Richard Binning" wrote in message
> > news:2AE191E96989BA3E29271FBC8CDD817B@in.WebX.SaUCah8kaAW...
> > > How are your firms providing documentation to your users regarding
your
> > > "adoption/interpretation" of the National Cad Standards?
Specifically,
> > can
> > > the documentation be presented on your corporate intranet, or did you
> have
> > > to reproduce the documentation and provide hardcopies? (Dust
> collectors -
> > I
> > > don't think average users will read them). I was reading the previous
> > > threads on NCS, and someone mentioned a url link to licence someone's
> cad
> > > standard instead of recreating it, but I couldn't find the link listed
> > > anywhere.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Richard Binning
> > > rlbinnin@thehaskellco.com
> > > "America's Design-Build Leader"
> > >
> >
>

[Anonymous]

Richard,

Sorry, The message got away before I attached the page.
it is not the final page I guess but is the home page...on the left of the
page is the table of contents where you click on Business
Opportunites....This will bring up the list of contents for LAWA Standards
that includes the CAD Standards.

It is fairly self explanatory. The PDF files are text files, and the EXE
files are AutoCAD files.
The third item in the list is the CAD STandard. VOL2CADD in the column on
the left, and on the right, same row, is CADDsf, the AutoCAD layers, blocks,
dimstyles, etc.

Hope this helps....They have now fixed the site so it works. No form to
fill out.

If the attachement does not work, you just type LAWA and search. Go to the
LAWA home page and from there select Business Opportunites and from there
select CAD STandards and that will get you to the same page as the
attachment I am including.

Jack Talsky

Richard Binning wrote in message
news:FD56A29484C4D8E24CDF482ED4AC7A20@in.WebX.SaUCah8kaAW...
> Thanks!...I saw reference to your LAWA cad standard previously in another
> thread, but was unsuccessful in downloading (even after filling out the
> form!)...looking forward to it.
>
> --
> Richard Binning
> rlbinnin@thehaskellco.com
> "America's Design-Build Leader"
> "Jack Talsky" wrote in message
> news:1808F157812B2F0F00D3D938D4D381C3@in.WebX.SaUCah8kaAW...
> > Richard,
> >
> > I am going to send you a address to the LAX link for their CAD Standard.
> It
> > is at LAWA ...just search LAWA, but it will take you all day...so I will
> > send you the actual URL you need. It is there for the public for use by
> > outside contractors.
> >
> > I wrote it......I don't know if it is any good, but no one has used it
> yet.
> > The contractors keep claiming ignorance.
> >
> > It will be later today.
> >
> > jack Talsky
> > "Richard Binning" wrote in message
> > news:2AE191E96989BA3E29271FBC8CDD817B@in.WebX.SaUCah8kaAW...
> > > How are your firms providing documentation to your users regarding
your
> > > "adoption/interpretation" of the National Cad Standards?
Specifically,
> > can
> > > the documentation be presented on your corporate intranet, or did you
> have
> > > to reproduce the documentation and provide hardcopies? (Dust
> collectors -
> > I
> > > don't think average users will read them). I was reading the previous
> > > threads on NCS, and someone mentioned a url link to licence someone's
> cad
> > > standard instead of recreating it, but I couldn't find the link listed
> > > anywhere.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Richard Binning
> > > rlbinnin@thehaskellco.com
> > > "America's Design-Build Leader"
> > >
> >
>

[Anonymous]

Thanks Jason,

I don't think you're in any trouble for reproducing the copywrite info. I
ordered NCS a couple of weeks ago and have not recieved it though. I guess
I'll just re-type and change it enough.

I am beginning to think that NCS is a scam though. If they charge outragous
fees for standardization info that you are not allowed to reproduce and
derive all their income from sale of the standards, they are motivated to
keep changing the standard and charging me for "upgrades" Hardly what I am
looking for in a "standard"

[Anonymous]

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:47:53 -0800, "Richard Binning"
wrote:

>How are your firms providing documentation to your users regarding your
>"adoption/interpretation" of the National Cad Standards?

I probably wouldn't touch it with a ten foot PC.

The idea of a "National CAD Standard" ranks right up there with "Public Toilet,"
in terms of my desire to use one on a daily basis.

Matt
mstachoni@beyerdesign.com

[Anonymous]

The Standard is not perfect and does require some modifications to suit your
practice.

Also I have not noticed that they have changed much in the last two years.
So they are at least more solid than computer software, or tax software...or
cars.

What it does do is help you as a guideline so you can interface easier with
other firms when necessary. Government agencies in particular have this
problem because they receive thousands of consultant drawings a year and
have to inject them into their system and use them. If each consultant does
his own standard to an extreme and they are extreme when you are not
familiar with them, the in-house work in government engineering departments
can get overwhelmed keeping some kind of standard in-house.

I see layer names that are pretty frightening....AEXXUX, AWALLFUX, ...just a
bunch of crap when you do not know what all the 2D lines on a drawing
represent beside the secret layer code. It takes time to figure them all
out.

The National CAD Standard tries to solve this mishmash of layer naming. And
also helps set layer colors which can make printing to expected line weights
less daunting.

The way we did it was to type up what is different, and then put in a
reference that the National Cad Standards are to be followed, and where to
get a copy. That leaves it up to the consultant to get his own copy of the
National Cad Standards. He only needs to buy it once and can use it on
other jobs.

I agree with Matt S. that if one does not have to conform to outside
influences, in-house standards are easier and more user friendly, until an
outside consultant sends in his in-house user-friendly standards......

Right now I am making a living just because of CAD Standards. Not a bad way
to go for a while.

Jack Talsky
"Kurt Westerlund" wrote in message
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> Thanks Jason,
>
> I don't think you're in any trouble for reproducing the copywrite info. I
> ordered NCS a couple of weeks ago and have not recieved it though. I guess
> I'll just re-type and change it enough.
>
> I am beginning to think that NCS is a scam though. If they charge
outragous
> fees for standardization info that you are not allowed to reproduce and
> derive all their income from sale of the standards, they are motivated to
> keep changing the standard and charging me for "upgrades" Hardly what I
am
> looking for in a "standard"
>

[Anonymous]

Join the Dark Side, Matt. Give in to your desire to conform.

Really, it's not that bad. While I agree that there will _never_ be a true
national standard, if we all start from the same point and modify bits and
pieces, at least most things will be the same. We're using it with about 75%
compliance for layering and I think it's working pretty well.

--
James Wedding, E.I.T.
IT Manager
Jones & Boyd, Inc.
Dallas, Texas
jwedding@NOSPAMjones-boyd.com
Remove NOSPAM from e-mail for reply.

[Anonymous]

I know, I know. I am with you Jack. Even if it is a bunch of trouble, it's
nothing compared to the (EDITED) I get now from CE's, SE's and contract
drafters. I'm willing to do it just so I can say "We use NCS and so do you
when you are contracting from us." Poof, no more trouble ... off to dream
sequence..

Ok, I'm back. I don't really think it's a scam but the buisness model of
generating their opperating expenses from end users buying the standard
makes me nervous. They need a buisness model that encourages
standardization, not one that rewards them for an everchanging, modular,
upgradeable standard. NCS is a collection of groups that do have an
interest in standardizing cad work though so I guess $200 isn't too much to
pay for a standard. We'll just have to see what the upgrades total to after
10 years.

[Anonymous]

Thank you for posting this. I've been trying to convince the powers that be
here that the published NCS is nothing more than a recommendation and a
guide. Providing this info will help my cause.

"jason martin" wrote in message
news:5D4C969A9FF37DBF8A56A99E42914A18@in.WebX.SaUCah8kaAW...
> Kurt -
> From the NCS
> Copyright (c) 1999 by the National Institute of Building Sciences.
> All rights reserved. Reproduction of this document, in whole or in part,
by any means,
> such as by any mechanical, photographic, or electronic process, or
utilization of this
> document other than in its original form, such as by phonographic or tape
recording,
> storage in a retrieval system or transmission for public or private use,
or copying all or
> portions of this document fore resale or redistribution, without written
permission from
> the National Institute of Building Sciences is strictly prohibited.
> From the AIA CLG
> (c) 1997 The American Institute of Architects
> The designation recommended in this book may be freely used by anyone for
the naming of
> CAD layers in any application. Other reproduction or copying of the book
in whole or in
> part is prohibited without written permission from The American Institute
of Architects.
> The tri-services plotting guidelines appears not to have a copyright
besides the NCS one.
> From the UDS
> (c) Copyright 1997 U.S. All rights reserved, including World rights and
Electronic
> rights. U.S. copyright held by the Construction Specifications Institute,
601 Madison
> Street, Alexandria, VA 22314. No part of this publication may be
reproduced without
> permission from the publisher, nor may any part of this publication be
reproduced, stored
> in a retrieval system, or copied by mechanical photocopying, recording, or
other means,
> known or hereafter invented, or by all means, methods, and processes known
and hereafter
> invented, without permission of the publisher.
>
> Are they going to come after you if you make copies??? Your guess is as
good as mine, but
> officially it appears that you cannot copy it. In our integration of the
NCS into our cad
> standards we don't use any of the figures directly, and we don't use the
text verbatim.
> We re-draw any item that is needed, using our format, and re-write any
text needed using
> our terms and format.
>
> See what you made me do. Now I've reproduced portions of the documents
and they're going
> to hunt me down. Hide me...
>
> "Kurt Westerlund" wrote in message
> news:07F2D650299400ADB4E89B409E9071CE@in.WebX.SaUCah8kaAW...
> > Jason, you bring up an interesting point,
> (snip)
> > I just ordered the NCS with the intention of adopting the standard for
our
> > office, and reproducing the standards documentation in our office cad
> > manual. While I might not reproduce it verbatim, I intend to
copy/cut/paste
> > as much as possible. If I can copy whole chapters, all the better. I
think
> > it is completly appropriate to do this. I do not see the NCS as
production
> > tool like acad or adt, more like a reference similar to the
architectural
> > book "Graphic Standards." I do not feel obligated at all to buy a copy
for
> > every workstation, just as I do not feel obligated to purchase "Graphic
> > Standards" for every workstation. I do feel obligated to have a
liscenced
> > copy of all software tools like MSOffice, MSProject, ACT!, Autocad etc.
on
> > each desk.
> >
> > I am interested in how others view this issue.
> >
>

[Anonymous]

Adopting a Cad Standards is really a way out of control issue, simple
because users have their own way to do things and sometimes is just easy to
use numbers, sometimes letters, or AIA, or force the user to work within
ADT, ArchT, etc., whatever.

If you want to have control of your drawings - Layers,Colors,etc - this can
be done with the use of reactors, and have a in-house application where you
simple tell AutoCAD which layer goes with any particular command or task.

Many maybe had try this, maybe some day.

Luis Esquivel
ArqCOM Software
www.arqcom.com.mx

Richard Binning wrote in message
<2AE191E96989BA3E29271FBC8CDD817B@in.WebX.SaUCah8kaAW>...
>How are your firms providing documentation to your users regarding your
>"adoption/interpretation" of the National Cad Standards? Specifically, can
>the documentation be presented on your corporate intranet, or did you have
>to reproduce the documentation and provide hardcopies? (Dust collectors -
I
>don't think average users will read them). I was reading the previous
>threads on NCS, and someone mentioned a url link to licence someone's cad
>standard instead of recreating it, but I couldn't find the link listed
>anywhere.
>
>Thanks,
>
>--
>Richard Binning
>rlbinnin@thehaskellco.com
>"America's Design-Build Leader"
>

[Anonymous]

Matt,

Good one!

I would agree that the concept of a national cadd standard is good in
theory but in reality 75% compliance or so is about the highest that can
be expected. Some here say we should adopt it blindly, don't reinvent
the wheel, etc. but really it has some good ideas but I consider it a
guideline to set up your standards not the end all be all.

ADT really reinforces this. For instance we based our layers on AIA but
ADT has some unique requirements that forced changes. Not to mention
some of those layers are just plain out of control.

Evan

Matt Stachoni wrote:
>

> The idea of a "National CAD Standard" ranks right up there with "Public Toilet,"
> in terms of my desire to use one on a daily basis.

[Anonymous]

While I appreciate all the responses, our decision has already been made to
adopt "portions" of the standard. I am specifically interested in how you
have disseminated the information in the NCS to your employees....

Can I redirect this back to my initial question?

If you have adopted the NCS?....How are your firms providing documentation
to your users regarding your "adoption/interpretation" of the National Cad
Standards?

Thanks,
--
Richard Binning
rlbinnin@thehaskellco.com
"America's Design-Build Leader"
"Evan Larson" wrote in message
news:3A554038.C397FE17@gltarchitects.com...
> Matt,
>
> Good one!
>
> I would agree that the concept of a national cadd standard is good in
> theory but in reality 75% compliance or so is about the highest that can
> be expected. Some here say we should adopt it blindly, don't reinvent
> the wheel, etc. but really it has some good ideas but I consider it a
> guideline to set up your standards not the end all be all.
>
> ADT really reinforces this. For instance we based our layers on AIA but
> ADT has some unique requirements that forced changes. Not to mention
> some of those layers are just plain out of control.
>
> Evan
>
> Matt Stachoni wrote:
> >
>
> > The idea of a "National CAD Standard" ranks right up there with "Public
Toilet,"
> > in terms of my desire to use one on a daily basis.

[Anonymous]

We only have 6 users, so my dissemination will be something like "See the
NCS on the reference shelf" in our cad manual.

"Richard Binning" wrote in message
news:E625F357AF0302901E52DC25C527E86B@in.WebX.SaUCah8kaAW...
> While I appreciate all the responses, our decision has already been made
to
> adopt "portions" of the standard. I am specifically interested in how you
> have disseminated the information in the NCS to your employees....
>
> Can I redirect this back to my initial question?
>
> If you have adopted the NCS?....How are your firms providing documentation
> to your users regarding your "adoption/interpretation" of the National Cad
> Standards?
>

[Anonymous]

We're of the theory that if it isn't automated it isn't a standard. Office
standards should be seamless. We believe that the users have more important
things to concentrate their efforts on than worrying about what layer a
demolished wall goes on. Our Standards manual (based on the NCS) is posted
on our intranet for all to see, but again, the idea here is to refer to it
as little as possible and set the software up in such a way to make that
happen. I'm not saying we're 100% to this point yet, but we're getting
there.

Michael Willette
mwillette@henv.com

Hanbury Evans Newill Vlattas & Co.
Architecture . Interiors . Planning . Landscape

120 Atlantic Street
Norfolk, Virginia 23510

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"Richard Binning" wrote in message
news:E625F357AF0302901E52DC25C527E86B@in.WebX.SaUCah8kaAW...
> While I appreciate all the responses, our decision has already been made
to
> adopt "portions" of the standard. I am specifically interested in how you
> have disseminated the information in the NCS to your employees....
>
> Can I redirect this back to my initial question?
>
> If you have adopted the NCS?....How are your firms providing documentation
> to your users regarding your "adoption/interpretation" of the National Cad
> Standards?
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Richard Binning
> rlbinnin@thehaskellco.com
> "America's Design-Build Leader"
> "Evan Larson" wrote in message
> news:3A554038.C397FE17@gltarchitects.com...
> > Matt,
> >
> > Good one!
> >
> > I would agree that the concept of a national cadd standard is good in
> > theory but in reality 75% compliance or so is about the highest that can
> > be expected. Some here say we should adopt it blindly, don't reinvent
> > the wheel, etc. but really it has some good ideas but I consider it a
> > guideline to set up your standards not the end all be all.
> >
> > ADT really reinforces this. For instance we based our layers on AIA but
> > ADT has some unique requirements that forced changes. Not to mention
> > some of those layers are just plain out of control.
> >
> > Evan
> >
> > Matt Stachoni wrote:
> > >
> >
> > > The idea of a "National CAD Standard" ranks right up there with
"Public
> Toilet,"
> > > in terms of my desire to use one on a daily basis.
>