Mtext dialog box

[pcaruthers]

I've got a new user that doesn't like the Mtext dialog box. He said that his last company had it set up the "Old Way". is there an option somewhere for this? I think I remember back when 04 came out there was a way to switch it to the "Look" of the 2000 dialog box.......

Paul Caruthers

[Anonymous]

MTEXTED

OLDEDITOR

and when you want to get with the times... INTERNAL

Melanie Perry
***not all who wander are lost***
http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com

Paul Caruthers wrote:
> I've got a new user that doesn't like the Mtext dialog box. He said that his last company had it set up the "Old Way". is there an option somewhere for this? I think I remember back when 04 came out there was a way to switch it to the "Look" of the 2000 dialog box.......
>
> Paul Caruthers

[Anonymous]

There is but I do not let that knowledge out. My people are fine with the
new way, after a bit of grumbling, which is common with anything new that
they are not familiar with. People have got to move on, as of now there is a
workaround but Adesk will eventually do away with the workaround and then
people will be forced to move on. If you do a search of the groups it has
been discussed in here before.

ACote

wrote in message news:5543441@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've got a new user that doesn't like the Mtext dialog box. He said that
his last company had it set up the "Old Way". is there an option somewhere
for this? I think I remember back when 04 came out there was a way to
switch it to the "Look" of the 2000 dialog box.......

Paul Caruthers

[Anonymous]

oh, and I was thinking you could set to use an external editor like
notepad and such so I looked up the variable in help...

:-)

"Sets the application for editing multiline text objects. You can
specify a different text editor for the MTEXT command. If you set
MTEXTED to internal or to null (.), the In-Place Text Editor is
displayed. If you set MTEXTED to “OldEditor”, the Multiline Text Editor
is displayed. If you specify a path and the name of the executable file
for another text editor or word processor, that path and file name
instead are displayed instead.

If the multiline text object is fewer than 80 characters, you can enter
:lisped to use the LISP editor.

Text editors other than the internal one show the formatting codes in
paragraph text."

Cheers!
Melanie Perry
***not all who wander are lost***
http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com

Wanderer wrote:
> MTEXTED
>
> OLDEDITOR

[pcaruthers]

That's it! thanks Mel. I knew it was something foolish like that I just coudn't remeber. I'm have tempted to tell him to just get used to it.....change is good for soul after all 🙂

Thanks agian.

Paul

[Anonymous]

I found the only benefit to the "old" editor it not having to "zoom" to your
text. But what is the big deal with zooming to where your working, your
giving up quite a bit for that one little factor.

ACote

wrote in message news:5543459@discussion.autodesk.com...
That's it! thanks Mel. I knew it was something foolish like that I just
coudn't remeber. I'm have tempted to tell him to just get used to
it.....change is good for soul after all 🙂

Thanks agian.

Paul

[Anonymous]

My biggest problem is with rotated text. They both have their uses
though for simple call outs etc I like the old one. For blocks of notes
that are best done in a word processor I use the new one.

Lance

Alain Cote wrote:
> I found the only benefit to the "old" editor it not having to "zoom" to your
> text. But what is the big deal with zooming to where your working, your
> giving up quite a bit for that one little factor.
>
> ACote
>
> wrote in message news:5543459@discussion.autodesk.com...
> That's it! thanks Mel. I knew it was something foolish like that I just
> coudn't remeber. I'm have tempted to tell him to just get used to
> it.....change is good for soul after all 🙂
>
> Thanks agian.
>
> Paul

[Anonymous]

I'd really like someone to explain to me why editing text in-place is
better, and NOT why "internal" editor is better than the "old editor", I
understand that the new editor has some functionality that the old doesn't.
I would love to use the new editor without editing in place. Why would
anyone want to zoom into every text entity you'll ever edit, when you could
select five different text entities or dimensions, etc., from different
areas of the drawing, without zooming to each, and edit all of them at a
consistent viewing size, horizontal to the view.

I really hope for a convincing argument from someone to change my thinking.

Thank you for any input.
Jim Dee
www.caddee.com


"Alain Cote" wrote in message
news:5543430@discussion.autodesk.com...
There is but I do not let that knowledge out. My people are fine with the
new way, after a bit of grumbling, which is common with anything new that
they are not familiar with. People have got to move on, as of now there is a
workaround but Adesk will eventually do away with the workaround and then
people will be forced to move on. If you do a search of the groups it has
been discussed in here before.

ACote

wrote in message news:5543441@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've got a new user that doesn't like the Mtext dialog box. He said that
his last company had it set up the "Old Way". is there an option somewhere
for this? I think I remember back when 04 came out there was a way to
switch it to the "Look" of the 2000 dialog box.......

Paul Caruthers

[Anonymous]

Try setting MTEXTFIXED to 2 in 2007 & 2008 only

However having to zoom into text to edit it is a waist of time.

Jim Dee
www.caddee.com


"Lance W." wrote in message
news:5543549@discussion.autodesk.com...
My biggest problem is with rotated text. They both have their uses
though for simple call outs etc I like the old one. For blocks of notes
that are best done in a word processor I use the new one.

Lance

Alain Cote wrote:
> I found the only benefit to the "old" editor it not having to "zoom" to
> your
> text. But what is the big deal with zooming to where your working, your
> giving up quite a bit for that one little factor.
>
> ACote
>
> wrote in message news:5543459@discussion.autodesk.com...
> That's it! thanks Mel. I knew it was something foolish like that I just
> coudn't remeber. I'm have tempted to tell him to just get used to
> it.....change is good for soul after all 🙂
>
> Thanks agian.
>
> Paul

[Anonymous]

Still on 06

CADDee.com wrote:
> Try setting MTEXTFIXED to 2 in 2007 & 2008 only
>
> However having to zoom into text to edit it is a waist of time.
>
> Jim Dee
> www.caddee.com
>
>
> "Lance W." wrote in message
> news:5543549@discussion.autodesk.com...
> My biggest problem is with rotated text. They both have their uses
> though for simple call outs etc I like the old one. For blocks of notes
> that are best done in a word processor I use the new one.
>
> Lance
>
> Alain Cote wrote:
>> I found the only benefit to the "old" editor it not having to "zoom" to
>> your
>> text. But what is the big deal with zooming to where your working, your
>> giving up quite a bit for that one little factor.
>>
>> ACote
>>
>> wrote in message news:5543459@discussion.autodesk.com...
>> That's it! thanks Mel. I knew it was something foolish like that I just
>> coudn't remeber. I'm have tempted to tell him to just get used to
>> it.....change is good for soul after all 🙂
>>
>> Thanks agian.
>>
>> Paul

[Anonymous]

I would rather "zoom" into the text, then I can see "real time" how the
paragraph word-wraps in the specific area that I am working on, resize the
paragraph on the fly "being still within the editor". With the "oldeditor"
it does not show the relationship of the paragraph in respect with the
surrounding geometry "till" you exit the command and then "zoom" to the
paragraph to verify and resize as needed, so my feeling is that you "need"
to zoom to the paragraph location to verify fit anyway, or do you not care
how it fits? I have tried out the "oldeditor" and I do not understand why
anyone would want to work with that thing, I love the ability to be able to
zoom while sill in the editor, just my opinion.

ACote

"CADDee.com" wrote in message
news:5543570@discussion.autodesk.com...
Try setting MTEXTFIXED to 2 in 2007 & 2008 only

However having to zoom into text to edit it is a waist of time.

Jim Dee
www.caddee.com


"Lance W." wrote in message
news:5543549@discussion.autodesk.com...
My biggest problem is with rotated text. They both have their uses
though for simple call outs etc I like the old one. For blocks of notes
that are best done in a word processor I use the new one.

Lance

Alain Cote wrote:
> I found the only benefit to the "old" editor it not having to "zoom" to
> your
> text. But what is the big deal with zooming to where your working, your
> giving up quite a bit for that one little factor.
>
> ACote
>
> wrote in message news:5543459@discussion.autodesk.com...
> That's it! thanks Mel. I knew it was something foolish like that I just
> coudn't remeber. I'm have tempted to tell him to just get used to
> it.....change is good for soul after all 🙂
>
> Thanks agian.
>
> Paul

[Anonymous]

You can do the same with the internal editor, select all your text then
"zoom" to your first picked paragraph (yes "zoom", get over it) when you
click ok "it will zoom automatically" to the next paragraph, and on top of
that you see "real time/real scale" how the paragraph will fit in that
location "before" exiting the editor or moving the next pre-selected
paragraph. As for rotated text I have no experience as we do not rotate
text, except for dims.

ACote

"CADDee.com" wrote in message
news:5543498@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'd really like someone to explain to me why editing text in-place is
better, and NOT why "internal" editor is better than the "old editor", I
understand that the new editor has some functionality that the old doesn't.
I would love to use the new editor without editing in place. Why would
anyone want to zoom into every text entity you'll ever edit, when you could
select five different text entities or dimensions, etc., from different
areas of the drawing, without zooming to each, and edit all of them at a
consistent viewing size, horizontal to the view.

I really hope for a convincing argument from someone to change my thinking.

Thank you for any input.
Jim Dee
www.caddee.com


"Alain Cote" wrote in message
news:5543430@discussion.autodesk.com...
There is but I do not let that knowledge out. My people are fine with the
new way, after a bit of grumbling, which is common with anything new that
they are not familiar with. People have got to move on, as of now there is a
workaround but Adesk will eventually do away with the workaround and then
people will be forced to move on. If you do a search of the groups it has
been discussed in here before.

ACote

wrote in message news:5543441@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've got a new user that doesn't like the Mtext dialog box. He said that
his last company had it set up the "Old Way". is there an option somewhere
for this? I think I remember back when 04 came out there was a way to
switch it to the "Look" of the 2000 dialog box.......

Paul Caruthers

[Anonymous]

Hi Jim,

As you put it, I agree with you, but beginning with 2007 (I think) if the text is small or large enough on screen or
is rotated, the new editor displays it at a consistent, readable size and horizontal angle while editing. It seems
to work pretty well and the (now quasi-)inplace editing hasn't bothered me nearly as much as it did before that
improvement.

But it seems like since they've already done that much with it, they could pretty easily provide a variable to (1)
always center that editor in the screen area, or (2) anchor it to the text being edited as it currently does. Who
would that not satisfy, other than someone who just insists on the old "look"?
--
James Allen
Malicoat-Winslow Engineers, P.C.
Columbia, MO


"CADDee.com" wrote in message news:5543498@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'd really like someone to explain to me why editing text in-place is
better, and NOT why "internal" editor is better than the "old editor", I
understand that the new editor has some functionality that the old doesn't.
I would love to use the new editor without editing in place. Why would
anyone want to zoom into every text entity you'll ever edit, when you could
select five different text entities or dimensions, etc., from different
areas of the drawing, without zooming to each, and edit all of them at a
consistent viewing size, horizontal to the view.

I really hope for a convincing argument from someone to change my thinking.

Thank you for any input.
Jim Dee
www.caddee.com

[Anonymous]

Sorry, I see now that you had already mentioned the improvement.
--
James Allen
Malicoat-Winslow Engineers, P.C.
Columbia, MO


"James Allen" wrote in message news:5543934@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi Jim,

As you put it, I agree with you, but beginning with 2007 (I think) if the text is small or large enough on screen or
is rotated, the new editor displays it at a consistent, readable size and horizontal angle while editing. It seems
to work pretty well and the (now quasi-)inplace editing hasn't bothered me nearly as much as it did before that
improvement.

But it seems like since they've already done that much with it, they could pretty easily provide a variable to (1)
always center that editor in the screen area, or (2) anchor it to the text being edited as it currently does. Who
would that not satisfy, other than someone who just insists on the old "look"?
--
James Allen
Malicoat-Winslow Engineers, P.C.
Columbia, MO


"CADDee.com" wrote in message news:5543498@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'd really like someone to explain to me why editing text in-place is
better, and NOT why "internal" editor is better than the "old editor", I
understand that the new editor has some functionality that the old doesn't.
I would love to use the new editor without editing in place. Why would
anyone want to zoom into every text entity you'll ever edit, when you could
select five different text entities or dimensions, etc., from different
areas of the drawing, without zooming to each, and edit all of them at a
consistent viewing size, horizontal to the view.

I really hope for a convincing argument from someone to change my thinking.

Thank you for any input.
Jim Dee
www.caddee.com

[Anonymous]

I must admit I only started using MText for everything in the past
couple of years. Before the Mtext Editor was just a pain in the tushie
so I preferred Text for much of what I did.

Melanie Perry
***not all who wander are lost***
http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com

Alain Cote wrote:
> I would rather "zoom" into the text, then I can see "real time" how the
> paragraph word-wraps in the specific area that I am working on, resize the
> paragraph on the fly "being still within the editor". With the "oldeditor"
> it does not show the relationship of the paragraph in respect with the
> surrounding geometry "till" you exit the command and then "zoom" to the
> paragraph to verify and resize as needed, so my feeling is that you "need"
> to zoom to the paragraph location to verify fit anyway, or do you not care
> how it fits? I have tried out the "oldeditor" and I do not understand why
> anyone would want to work with that thing, I love the ability to be able to
> zoom while sill in the editor, just my opinion.
>
> ACote
>
> "CADDee.com" wrote in message
> news:5543570@discussion.autodesk.com...
> Try setting MTEXTFIXED to 2 in 2007 & 2008 only
>
> However having to zoom into text to edit it is a waist of time.
>
> Jim Dee
> www.caddee.com
>
>
> "Lance W." wrote in message
> news:5543549@discussion.autodesk.com...
> My biggest problem is with rotated text. They both have their uses
> though for simple call outs etc I like the old one. For blocks of notes
> that are best done in a word processor I use the new one.
>
> Lance
>
> Alain Cote wrote:
>> I found the only benefit to the "old" editor it not having to "zoom" to
>> your
>> text. But what is the big deal with zooming to where your working, your
>> giving up quite a bit for that one little factor.
>>
>> ACote
>>
>> wrote in message news:5543459@discussion.autodesk.com...
>> That's it! thanks Mel. I knew it was something foolish like that I just
>> coudn't remeber. I'm have tempted to tell him to just get used to
>> it.....change is good for soul after all 🙂
>>
>> Thanks agian.
>>
>> Paul

[Anonymous]

lol... It's funny the goofy SysVars and commands that stick in your head
(and all of the others that Don't! HA!)

Happy to be of assistance... 😉

Melanie Perry
***not all who wander are lost***
http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com

Paul Caruthers wrote:
> That's it! thanks Mel. I knew it was something foolish like that I just coudn't remeber. I'm have tempted to tell him to just get used to it.....change is good for soul after all 🙂
>
> Thanks agian.
>
> Paul

[Anonymous]

I knew that MTEXTFIXED would rotate the text being edited, but did not
realize it would display it at minimum size. Thank you.

Jim Dee
www.caddee.com


"James Allen" wrote in message
news:5543982@discussion.autodesk.com...
Sorry, I see now that you had already mentioned the improvement.
--
James Allen
Malicoat-Winslow Engineers, P.C.
Columbia, MO


"James Allen" wrote in message
news:5543934@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi Jim,

As you put it, I agree with you, but beginning with 2007 (I think) if the
text is small or large enough on screen or
is rotated, the new editor displays it at a consistent, readable size and
horizontal angle while editing. It seems
to work pretty well and the (now quasi-)inplace editing hasn't bothered me
nearly as much as it did before that
improvement.

But it seems like since they've already done that much with it, they could
pretty easily provide a variable to (1)
always center that editor in the screen area, or (2) anchor it to the text
being edited as it currently does. Who
would that not satisfy, other than someone who just insists on the old
"look"?
--
James Allen
Malicoat-Winslow Engineers, P.C.
Columbia, MO


"CADDee.com" wrote in message
news:5543498@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'd really like someone to explain to me why editing text in-place is
better, and NOT why "internal" editor is better than the "old editor", I
understand that the new editor has some functionality that the old doesn't.
I would love to use the new editor without editing in place. Why would
anyone want to zoom into every text entity you'll ever edit, when you could
select five different text entities or dimensions, etc., from different
areas of the drawing, without zooming to each, and edit all of them at a
consistent viewing size, horizontal to the view.

I really hope for a convincing argument from someone to change my thinking.

Thank you for any input.
Jim Dee
www.caddee.com

[Anonymous]

Alain,

Thank you for your response. I realize now that the MTEXTFIXED variable
makes all the difference. I'm sold on the new editor!

Thanks again,
Jim Dee

"Alain Cote" wrote in message
news:5543948@discussion.autodesk.com...
You can do the same with the internal editor, select all your text then
"zoom" to your first picked paragraph (yes "zoom", get over it) when you
click ok "it will zoom automatically" to the next paragraph, and on top of
that you see "real time/real scale" how the paragraph will fit in that
location "before" exiting the editor or moving the next pre-selected
paragraph. As for rotated text I have no experience as we do not rotate
text, except for dims.

ACote

"CADDee.com" wrote in message
news:5543498@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'd really like someone to explain to me why editing text in-place is
better, and NOT why "internal" editor is better than the "old editor", I
understand that the new editor has some functionality that the old doesn't.
I would love to use the new editor without editing in place. Why would
anyone want to zoom into every text entity you'll ever edit, when you could
select five different text entities or dimensions, etc., from different
areas of the drawing, without zooming to each, and edit all of them at a
consistent viewing size, horizontal to the view.

I really hope for a convincing argument from someone to change my thinking.

Thank you for any input.
Jim Dee
www.caddee.com


"Alain Cote" wrote in message
news:5543430@discussion.autodesk.com...
There is but I do not let that knowledge out. My people are fine with the
new way, after a bit of grumbling, which is common with anything new that
they are not familiar with. People have got to move on, as of now there is a
workaround but Adesk will eventually do away with the workaround and then
people will be forced to move on. If you do a search of the groups it has
been discussed in here before.

ACote

wrote in message news:5543441@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've got a new user that doesn't like the Mtext dialog box. He said that
his last company had it set up the "Old Way". is there an option somewhere
for this? I think I remember back when 04 came out there was a way to
switch it to the "Look" of the 2000 dialog box.......

Paul Caruthers

[Anonymous]

better? it's what works for you, not anyone else, if you see no
benefit, don't change. Many of us need to control or abiltiy to relate
to geometry on screen in real time, other don't like you. Nothing to
convince you about.

--
Dean Saadallah
Add-on products for LT
http://www.pendean.com/lt
--

[Anonymous]

Ok

Jim Dee
www.caddee.com

"Dean Saadallah" wrote in message
news:5545383@discussion.autodesk.com...
better? it's what works for you, not anyone else, if you see no
benefit, don't change. Many of us need to control or abiltiy to relate
to geometry on screen in real time, other don't like you. Nothing to
convince you about.

--
Dean Saadallah
Add-on products for LT
http://www.pendean.com/lt
--