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How is AutoCad being used in your company?

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dqueen
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How is AutoCad being used in your company?

This is a very broad question, but there is a reason. My company uses AutoCAD, Microstation and PDMS. I am in charge of AutoCAD for my company and I am trying to set goals for where our company should be headed with AutoCad. My question to anyone is how is AutoCad being used in your companies. Are you using 3rd party software? If so what?Are you using paper space? If so do you use it all the time or just in certain cases? What are you doing with 3D and rendering? What are your clients asking for? Also, we are a multi-office firm and we share work between office across the WAN. How do you share work? What problems have you seen? It seems that my company has come to a stand still, and I need suggestions for the future. There is so much out there, and that makes it hard to decide which way to go. I am looking for what you are doing and seen. Anything you would like to share would be helpful.
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Message 21 of 40
Anonymous
in reply to: dqueen

Well I can't speak for Charles or anyone else, but we also use the
annotations in paperspace and separate 'model' files xrefed in way of
working. We've coordinated with many outside consultants this way without
problem.

The way we do it is the 'model' files are emailed as DWGs and the layouts
as PDFs. The 80% consultants we work with simply use our 'models' as
background files and they work at different scales typically. The differnt
scales (and company CAD standards) wipes the usefulness of having our
annontation in modelspace in reguards to re-useage. The PDFs serve as the
paper copy and have the changes clouded that they need to be aware of. We
go the PDF route to 1) decrease the total file size being emailed and 2)
to prevent 'accidental' changes that could cause confusion. Since we all
still maintain sticks (hardcopy) of each other's drawings, PDFs also allow
them to keep their hardcopy up to date (meetings, easier refering to for
some, etc). It's worked very well for us and for them.

Internally we use this scheme because 1) we do different discipline
drawings (which all have their own form of annontation) and 2) we use
different scales. Since we have models for things like 'entire building',
'site services', 'X area of equipment', etc and the fact that we use LT
means we have to use paperspace where others would use XClip. We tried
keeping things in modelspace for the longest time, but the fact that 60-
80% of our dimensions had to go in paperspace (because of using the
viewport like XClip and to get them in a clean area) it was a wild
mixture. Finally we gave up and decided to put everything in paperspace.
The only holdouts now are ordinate dimensions, which we use for elevations
and must go in modelspace so they reference the correct 0,0.

Enjoy,
Stef
--
mailto: yodersj@earthlink.net || Drafter, Leather-worker
http://home.earthlink.net/~yodersj/ || Dos, Win, LT
http://www.geocities.com/yodersj/ || Computer How-To

"David Kozina" wrote in
news:744C8932E38929756A1799642CA81CEB@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb:

> I wasn't trying to say that the consultants would be wanting to *add*
> more layers and annotation to *your* drawings in order to use them -
> that would be madness. My point was trying to *xref* such drawings
> into their own (to use as a background or point of reference). I
> think most people have figured out ways to freeze or thaw whatever
> layers they need to see - if the drawing uses them consistently, this
> is a non-issue for me. But any drawings containing annotations made
> in paperspace layouts will be severely lacking in detail - especially
> with regards to dimensions - as soon as it's xreffed into another
> drawing. Or am I missing something here? I've always understood that
> paperspace objects don't travel well thru xrefs. Has this changed?
Message 22 of 40
Anonymous
in reply to: dqueen

> It seems to me that if one wishes to go the 'keep the annotation separate
> from the model' route, the most 'consultant-friendly' approach would be to
> simply xref in the 'annotationless' "model drawing" into a separate plot
> drawing *in modelspace* and then annotate the thing to your hearts content
> BUT DO IT *in modelspace*. Then send *both* drawings to the consultants
as
> needed. (Usually we get sent the annotation drawing but not the model
> )

The annotationless model file is xrefed into model space.

I have this weird feeling that we are probably talking about more or less
the same thing, and describing it so differently that we are confusing each
other.

Maybe I'll send you a drawing
Message 23 of 40
Anonymous
in reply to: dqueen

it s a good digression, becaus I se this all thge
time.  I also see model files that have the existing conditions,
Scheme A, Scheme b, and some other half complete alternate all sitting side
by side in model space.  Drives me nuts.

 

 



style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
Productively I think but on some days it is hard
to tell.

 

The layout tab is for producing hard copy. The
model tab is for the (in my case) building model. Dimensioning and annotation
is necessary for the hard copy but (and it isn't always true) with the
building model drawn correctly you don't care about the dimensions because you
are only concerned with your portion (plumbing and hvac) as it is relative to
the building model. For the most part, (only rarely these days) the building
model is drawing correctly with out the old manual drafting system of noting
some dimensions as being drawn not to scale.

 

Model tab or layout tab ( notice "layout tab" not
paperspace ) annotation is not as big a deal as not using the "single
building model" system. The reflected ceiling plan
size=3>, and the millwork plan belong on the floor plan and not as a
separate plan drawn of to the side. The second floor should be drawing over
top of the first floor separated by layer names and not off to the side. It is
a simple concept that most Architects ignor using the phrase "I don't see why
I have to do that.". Engineers as well.

 

But I digress.

 

 
Message 24 of 40
Anonymous
in reply to: dqueen

Charles,

Thanks for the files you sent, now I think I'm starting to see where you're
coming from on this issue. As they say, 'a picture is worth a thousand
words'. I'm not saying I'd prefer or even could do things they way you
described previously [for other reasons that have been and may yet be the
topic of other threads - probably the main one relating to how much trust
one is willing to put in the *source* of those files (or how they have been
set up] <- Note: I'm not referring to the files *you* sent) -- BUT I now can
see how a consultant could easily gain access to that paperspace
information - so I can see that it's not as big of an issue as I thought.
And with AutoCAD's ability to handle multiple documents now, it's not
difficult to even just open up the client's drawing and refer to it when
necessary.

Thanks for expanding my mind - at least a bit. 🙂
After having used R14 for so long I'm still getting used to the newer
version of AutoCAD and what can be done with it.

Best regards,
David Kozina


"Charles Prettyman" wrote in message
news:2DE0E654DD89585CD69D7E218DE8816D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
>

>
> Maybe I'll send you a drawing
>
Message 25 of 40
Anonymous
in reply to: dqueen

Charles!
(haven't seen this group since my days at AKF- good to see you're still
here!)
Would Lisp that re-works the paths do OK? I did that a few years back- but
it's still that 'extra step' that we dread.

As for this thread... I could write a book as to all the ways people use
ACAD... I've freelanced for 12 of the last 19 months--- and GAWD, what Awful
procedures I've seen!
I will document a few- just not now - sorry.

"Charles Prettyman" wrote in message
news:7FBE3DDC28D28DF985D2B0D3521E80EC@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
We don't bind. We have started using the etransmit tool, which strips saved
xref paths. I actually set the standard to not save the path, for a variety
of reasons, but I have not found a way to make not saving the default
(there's probably a registry hack for that, maybe someone knows what it is.

Ideally, I'd use paper space all the time, and put all annotation in paper
space. But, ADT cannot yet tag through xrefs and paper space. Nor can you
save a block with both PS and MS elements (If you could, and you inserted
the block in ms, where would it insert the ps components - I wonder) So, we
are horribly inconsistent. I hate it, but it's the best we can do at the
current state fo the program.

Post wishes! Let them know how you need the program to work. And post the
mile long list of questions, I'll answer as best I can.
"dqueen" wrote in message
news:f0cfa92.8@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
The learning curve is a problem. Our Architects use ADT3.3 but do not use it
to its fullest. I am trying to figure out if we are way behind other
companies but from the replies I have gotten it seems we are all in the same
boat. There is so much out there but money and learning is always an issue.
Do you use paper space at all times? Do you bind xref's before sending to a
client. There are more questions I could ask but don't want this post to be
a mile long. Thanks for your input.
Message 26 of 40
Anonymous
in reply to: dqueen

I have become too dependant on Outlooks automatic
spell checking - my apologies to anyone who tried to decipher my last
post.


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

it s a good digression, becaus I se this all thge
time.  I also see model files that have the existing conditions,
Scheme A, Scheme b, and some other half complete alternate all sitting
side by side in model space.  Drives me nuts.

 

 



style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
Productively I think but on some days it is
hard to tell.

 

The layout tab is for producing hard copy. The
model tab is for the (in my case) building model. Dimensioning and
annotation is necessary for the hard copy but (and it isn't always true)
with the building model drawn correctly you don't care about the dimensions
because you are only concerned with your portion (plumbing and hvac) as it
is relative to the building model. For the most part, (only rarely these
days) the building model is drawing correctly with out the old manual
drafting system of noting some dimensions as being drawn not to
scale.

 

Model tab or layout tab ( notice "layout tab"
not paperspace ) annotation is not as big a deal as not using the
"single building model" system. The reflected ceiling plan
face="Times New Roman" size=3>, and the millwork plan belong on the
floor plan and not as a separate plan drawn of to the side. The second floor
should be drawing over top of the first floor separated by layer names and
not off to the side. It is a simple concept that most Architects ignor using
the phrase "I don't see why I have to do that.". Engineers as
well.

 

But I digress.

 

 
Message 27 of 40
Anonymous
in reply to: dqueen

Now I think about it again, that's just what we do. Send the plots as PDF
(easy to view and print and can't be altered) and send "XREF DWGs" with
plain linework in Model Space separately if the other consultant asks for
this linework to use as a reference.

Doug Boys

"S. Yoder" wrote in message >
> The way we do it is the 'model' files are emailed as DWGs and the layouts
> as PDFs. The 80% consultants we work with simply use our 'models' as
> background files
Message 28 of 40
Anonymous
in reply to: dqueen

Hey Peter, where are you now? Actually, when you were at AKF, I think we
were both active int eh AUGI ADT mailing list - did that ever get revived
after tehy had to shut it down to stop it from mailing everyone a hundred
copies of everything?

There was a thread a while back on "staff drawing like amateurs" that had a
collection of everyones favorite bad procedures. You should add your to the
list - it was pretty fun to have such a thorough list of what not to do.

lisp to rework the paths would woork, but I really think it's simplest to
just keep all the current files in one directory, and then not save paths.
A lot of people have wished for a way to save relative paths, and that would
be ok. But, in the end, we are going to have to share data, and if I get
muy office to always put the base plan, title block, and sheet files inthe
same directory, and not save paths, then no extra steps are needed.

"Peter Friedrich" wrote in message
news:F9EACACCE1638C7C591E33F641296C28@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Charles!
> (haven't seen this group since my days at AKF- good to see you're still
> here!)
> Would Lisp that re-works the paths do OK? I did that a few years back-
but
> it's still that 'extra step' that we dread.
>
> As for this thread... I could write a book as to all the ways people use
> ACAD... I've freelanced for 12 of the last 19 months--- and GAWD, what
Awful
> procedures I've seen!
> I will document a few- just not now - sorry.
>
> "Charles Prettyman" wrote in message
> news:7FBE3DDC28D28DF985D2B0D3521E80EC@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> We don't bind. We have started using the etransmit tool, which strips
saved
> xref paths. I actually set the standard to not save the path, for a
variety
> of reasons, but I have not found a way to make not saving the default
> (there's probably a registry hack for that, maybe someone knows what it
is.
>
> Ideally, I'd use paper space all the time, and put all annotation in paper
> space. But, ADT cannot yet tag through xrefs and paper space. Nor can
you
> save a block with both PS and MS elements (If you could, and you inserted
> the block in ms, where would it insert the ps components - I wonder) So,
we
> are horribly inconsistent. I hate it, but it's the best we can do at the
> current state fo the program.
>
> Post wishes! Let them know how you need the program to work. And post
the
> mile long list of questions, I'll answer as best I can.
> "dqueen" wrote in message
> news:f0cfa92.8@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> The learning curve is a problem. Our Architects use ADT3.3 but do not use
it
> to its fullest. I am trying to figure out if we are way behind other
> companies but from the replies I have gotten it seems we are all in the
same
> boat. There is so much out there but money and learning is always an
issue.
> Do you use paper space at all times? Do you bind xref's before sending to
a
> client. There are more questions I could ask but don't want this post to
be
> a mile long. Thanks for your input.
>
>
Message 29 of 40
Anonymous
in reply to: dqueen

what do you mean by relative paths? do you mean like ..\xrefs\plan.dwg ?
if that's what you're talking about then you CAN use relative paths but you
have to type them in manually and then save the path but i'm sure there's a
lisp routine that could take care of that.

Rob
--
'There is no knowledge that is not power.'
W2k, A2K2, VB6, VB.NET, ADN (new)

"Charles Prettyman" wrote in message
news:4D9FFD1CC7923F7E876E5D54CB5DDD2B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Hey Peter, where are you now? Actually, when you were at AKF, I think we
> were both active int eh AUGI ADT mailing list - did that ever get revived
> after tehy had to shut it down to stop it from mailing everyone a hundred
> copies of everything?
>
> There was a thread a while back on "staff drawing like amateurs" that had
a
> collection of everyones favorite bad procedures. You should add your to
the
> list - it was pretty fun to have such a thorough list of what not to do.
>
> lisp to rework the paths would woork, but I really think it's simplest to
> just keep all the current files in one directory, and then not save paths.
> A lot of people have wished for a way to save relative paths, and that
would
> be ok. But, in the end, we are going to have to share data, and if I get
> muy office to always put the base plan, title block, and sheet files inthe
> same directory, and not save paths, then no extra steps are needed.
>
> "Peter Friedrich" wrote in message
> news:F9EACACCE1638C7C591E33F641296C28@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Charles!
> > (haven't seen this group since my days at AKF- good to see you're still
> > here!)
> > Would Lisp that re-works the paths do OK? I did that a few years back-
> but
> > it's still that 'extra step' that we dread.
> >
> > As for this thread... I could write a book as to all the ways people use
> > ACAD... I've freelanced for 12 of the last 19 months--- and GAWD, what
> Awful
> > procedures I've seen!
> > I will document a few- just not now - sorry.
> >
> > "Charles Prettyman" wrote in message
> > news:7FBE3DDC28D28DF985D2B0D3521E80EC@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > We don't bind. We have started using the etransmit tool, which strips
> saved
> > xref paths. I actually set the standard to not save the path, for a
> variety
> > of reasons, but I have not found a way to make not saving the default
> > (there's probably a registry hack for that, maybe someone knows what it
> is.
> >
> > Ideally, I'd use paper space all the time, and put all annotation in
paper
> > space. But, ADT cannot yet tag through xrefs and paper space. Nor can
> you
> > save a block with both PS and MS elements (If you could, and you
inserted
> > the block in ms, where would it insert the ps components - I wonder)
So,
> we
> > are horribly inconsistent. I hate it, but it's the best we can do at
the
> > current state fo the program.
> >
> > Post wishes! Let them know how you need the program to work. And post
> the
> > mile long list of questions, I'll answer as best I can.
> > "dqueen" wrote in message
> > news:f0cfa92.8@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > The learning curve is a problem. Our Architects use ADT3.3 but do not
use
> it
> > to its fullest. I am trying to figure out if we are way behind other
> > companies but from the replies I have gotten it seems we are all in the
> same
> > boat. There is so much out there but money and learning is always an
> issue.
> > Do you use paper space at all times? Do you bind xref's before sending
to
> a
> > client. There are more questions I could ask but don't want this post to
> be
> > a mile long. Thanks for your input.
> >
> >
>
>
Message 30 of 40
Anonymous
in reply to: dqueen

Rob- yep: the
..\dir\dwg
method

see attached and scroll to the bottom for instructions
I havent used it recently- and don't warrant its use on any version!
note the following:
1- nested xrefs will mess up everthing! start at the deepest level first.
2- ALWAYS check the result - sooner or later you'll get an Unwelcome
surprise!
3- it is fast - and UNDO will work if the result is undesired.

-good luck

Charles--
How's your commute been? (since Sept?)



"Rob Tomson" wrote in message
news:C546D5AB6DAA39DCBFB9A607103EE810@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> what do you mean by relative paths? do you mean like ..\xrefs\plan.dwg
?
> if that's what you're talking about then you CAN use relative paths but
you
> have to type them in manually and then save the path but i'm sure there's
a
> lisp routine that could take care of that.
>
> Rob
> --
> 'There is no knowledge that is not power.'
> W2k, A2K2, VB6, VB.NET, ADN (new)
>
> "Charles Prettyman" wrote in message
> news:4D9FFD1CC7923F7E876E5D54CB5DDD2B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Hey Peter, where are you now? Actually, when you were at AKF, I think
we
> > were both active int eh AUGI ADT mailing list - did that ever get
revived
> > after tehy had to shut it down to stop it from mailing everyone a
hundred
> > copies of everything?
> >
> > There was a thread a while back on "staff drawing like amateurs" that
had
> a
> > collection of everyones favorite bad procedures. You should add your to
> the
> > list - it was pretty fun to have such a thorough list of what not to do.
> >
> > lisp to rework the paths would woork, but I really think it's simplest
to
> > just keep all the current files in one directory, and then not save
paths.
> > A lot of people have wished for a way to save relative paths, and that
> would
> > be ok. But, in the end, we are going to have to share data, and if I
get
> > muy office to always put the base plan, title block, and sheet files
inthe
> > same directory, and not save paths, then no extra steps are needed.
> >
> > "Peter Friedrich" wrote in message
> > news:F9EACACCE1638C7C591E33F641296C28@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Charles!
> > > (haven't seen this group since my days at AKF- good to see you're
still
> > > here!)
> > > Would Lisp that re-works the paths do OK? I did that a few years
back-
> > but
> > > it's still that 'extra step' that we dread.
> > >
> > > As for this thread... I could write a book as to all the ways people
use
> > > ACAD... I've freelanced for 12 of the last 19 months--- and GAWD, what
> > Awful
> > > procedures I've seen!
> > > I will document a few- just not now - sorry.
> > >
> > > "Charles Prettyman" wrote in
message
> > > news:7FBE3DDC28D28DF985D2B0D3521E80EC@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > We don't bind. We have started using the etransmit tool, which strips
> > saved
> > > xref paths. I actually set the standard to not save the path, for a
> > variety
> > > of reasons, but I have not found a way to make not saving the default
> > > (there's probably a registry hack for that, maybe someone knows what
it
> > is.
> > >
> > > Ideally, I'd use paper space all the time, and put all annotation in
> paper
> > > space. But, ADT cannot yet tag through xrefs and paper space. Nor
can
> > you
> > > save a block with both PS and MS elements (If you could, and you
> inserted
> > > the block in ms, where would it insert the ps components - I wonder)
> So,
> > we
> > > are horribly inconsistent. I hate it, but it's the best we can do at
> the
> > > current state fo the program.
> > >
> > > Post wishes! Let them know how you need the program to work. And
post
> > the
> > > mile long list of questions, I'll answer as best I can.
> > > "dqueen" wrote in message
> > > news:f0cfa92.8@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > The learning curve is a problem. Our Architects use ADT3.3 but do not

> use
> > it
> > > to its fullest. I am trying to figure out if we are way behind other
> > > companies but from the replies I have gotten it seems we are all in
the
> > same
> > > boat. There is so much out there but money and learning is always an
> > issue.
> > > Do you use paper space at all times? Do you bind xref's before sending
> to
> > a
> > > client. There are more questions I could ask but don't want this post
to
> > be
> > > a mile long. Thanks for your input.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Message 31 of 40
Anonymous
in reply to: dqueen

Commute: variable. I use the Christopher street PATH station, which is
noww the furthest station downtown. Everyone who used to take the PATH to
WTC now takes the ferry or the PATH to Christopher. THe line to get into
the station in the evening comes all the way up to the street. How far down
the block it goes is a variable. Some days it barely makes it to the
sidewalk, but it usually makes it another 100 feet or so, which brings it to
the corner of 7th avenue. I have, however, seen it wrap all the way around
the block.

Other than that, and the very noticeable change in my view downtown when
walking to work, nothing has changed.


relative paths - somewhere int eh back of my mind I knew that they could be
typed in, so I should have known that a lisp routine could be written. But,
I'm not sure I could get my users to grasp the concept, so no paths still
seems easier, until I can set relative paths as a default option within
acad.



"Peter Friedrich" wrote in message
news:6C6B466DA4ADDC0F302D2F8ECCA901BF@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Rob- yep: the
> ..\dir\dwg
> method
>
> see attached and scroll to the bottom for instructions
> I havent used it recently- and don't warrant its use on any version!
> note the following:
> 1- nested xrefs will mess up everthing! start at the deepest level first.
> 2- ALWAYS check the result - sooner or later you'll get an Unwelcome
> surprise!
> 3- it is fast - and UNDO will work if the result is undesired.
>
> -good luck
>
> Charles--
> How's your commute been? (since Sept?)
>
>
>
> "Rob Tomson" wrote in message
> news:C546D5AB6DAA39DCBFB9A607103EE810@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > what do you mean by relative paths? do you mean like ..\xrefs\plan.dwg
> ?
> > if that's what you're talking about then you CAN use relative paths but
> you
> > have to type them in manually and then save the path but i'm sure
there's
> a
> > lisp routine that could take care of that.
> >
> > Rob
> > --
> > 'There is no knowledge that is not power.'
> > W2k, A2K2, VB6, VB.NET, ADN (new)
> >
> > "Charles Prettyman" wrote in message
> > news:4D9FFD1CC7923F7E876E5D54CB5DDD2B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Hey Peter, where are you now? Actually, when you were at AKF, I think
> we
> > > were both active int eh AUGI ADT mailing list - did that ever get
> revived
> > > after tehy had to shut it down to stop it from mailing everyone a
> hundred
> > > copies of everything?
> > >
> > > There was a thread a while back on "staff drawing like amateurs" that
> had
> > a
> > > collection of everyones favorite bad procedures. You should add your
to
> > the
> > > list - it was pretty fun to have such a thorough list of what not to
do.
> > >
> > > lisp to rework the paths would woork, but I really think it's simplest
> to
> > > just keep all the current files in one directory, and then not save
> paths.
> > > A lot of people have wished for a way to save relative paths, and that
> > would
> > > be ok. But, in the end, we are going to have to share data, and if I
> get
> > > muy office to always put the base plan, title block, and sheet files
> inthe
> > > same directory, and not save paths, then no extra steps are needed.
> > >
> > > "Peter Friedrich" wrote in message
> > > news:F9EACACCE1638C7C591E33F641296C28@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > Charles!
> > > > (haven't seen this group since my days at AKF- good to see you're
> still
> > > > here!)
> > > > Would Lisp that re-works the paths do OK? I did that a few years
> back-
> > > but
> > > > it's still that 'extra step' that we dread.
> > > >
> > > > As for this thread... I could write a book as to all the ways people
> use
> > > > ACAD... I've freelanced for 12 of the last 19 months--- and GAWD,
what
> > > Awful
> > > > procedures I've seen!
> > > > I will document a few- just not now - sorry.
> > > >
> > > > "Charles Prettyman" wrote in
> message
> > > > news:7FBE3DDC28D28DF985D2B0D3521E80EC@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > We don't bind. We have started using the etransmit tool, which
strips
> > > saved
> > > > xref paths. I actually set the standard to not save the path, for a
> > > variety
> > > > of reasons, but I have not found a way to make not saving the
default
> > > > (there's probably a registry hack for that, maybe someone knows what
> it
> > > is.
> > > >
> > > > Ideally, I'd use paper space all the time, and put all annotation in
> > paper
> > > > space. But, ADT cannot yet tag through xrefs and paper space. Nor
> can
> > > you
> > > > save a block with both PS and MS elements (If you could, and you
> > inserted
> > > > the block in ms, where would it insert the ps components - I wonder)
> > So,
> > > we
> > > > are horribly inconsistent. I hate it, but it's the best we can do
at
> > the
> > > > current state fo the program.
> > > >
> > > > Post wishes! Let them know how you need the program to work. And
> post
> > > the
> > > > mile long list of questions, I'll answer as best I can.
> > > > "dqueen" wrote in message
> > > > news:f0cfa92.8@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > The learning curve is a problem. Our Architects use ADT3.3 but do
not
>
> > use
> > > it
> > > > to its fullest. I am trying to figure out if we are way behind other
> > > > companies but from the replies I have gotten it seems we are all in
> the
> > > same
> > > > boat. There is so much out there but money and learning is always an
> > > issue.
> > > > Do you use paper space at all times? Do you bind xref's before
sending
> > to
> > > a
> > > > client. There are more questions I could ask but don't want this
post
> to
> > > be
> > > > a mile long. Thanks for your input.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----


;; XRP - SIMPLE VERSION FOR DWG NAMES = XREF NAMES
;; OK FOR r13, r14 12/23/97
;; (c) 1997 P. FRIEDRICH (908) 508-9217


(DEFUN look_for_EXT () ; ;(if (= 1 go) --- (A)- REM'D OUT
(if (wcmatch XREF_PATHSPEC "*.dwg,*.DWG" ) ; test for _____.DWG [UC / LC]
(SETQ STUB_LGTH (STRLEN XREF_PATHSPEC)
XREF_PATHSPEC (SUBSTR XREF_PATHSPEC 1 (- Stub_lgth 4)))
; ...then get remaining string
(print XREF_PATHSPEC)

) ) ;); ...else (no test) ---SEE (A)

(DEFUN look_for_dir () ; ;(if (= 1 go) ---SEE (A)
(SETQ XREF_NEWPATH NIL)
(progn
(SETQ FLAGDIR nil)
(if (wcmatch XREF_PATHSPEC "*`\\*" ) ; test for \
(SETQ FLAGDIR 0) ; ...then get end of string
)
(if (= FLAGDIR 0) (SETQ CHAR# 2))
) 😉 ---SEE (A)

(while (= FLAGDIR 0)
(progn
(SETQ XREF_NEWPATH (SUBSTR XREF_PATHSPEC CHAR#))
(print XREF_NEWPATH)
(if (wcmatch XREF_NEWPATH "*`\\*" ) ; test for \
(SETQ CHAR# (+ 1 CHAR#)) ; Then...
(SETQ FLAGDIR NIL) ; ELSE...
) ) ) ; end if ; end progn / while

(SETQ FLAGDIR nil)
(IF (= NIL XREF_NEWPATH)(SETQ XREF_NEWPATH XREF_PATHSPEC))
)


(DEFUN xrsetup () ; (testacadver) ---SEE (A)
; (if (= 1 go) ---SEE (A)
(SETQ XREF_PATHSPEC '()
XBLK_NAME '() ; was xref#
BLK (TBLNEXT "BLOCK" 'T)
BLK00 BLK ; KEPT - FOR DEBUG
) ; ) ---SEE (A)
)


(DEFUN find_xrefs ()
(xrsetup)

(WHILE BLK
(IF (= (LOGAND (CDR (ASSOC 70 BLK)) 4) 4)
(progn
(SETQ XBLK_NAME
(APPEND XBLK_NAME (LIST (CDR (ASSOC 2 BLK)) )
) )
(SETQ BLK_ENAME
(APPEND BLK_ENAME (LIST (CDR (ASSOC -2 BLK)) )
) )
(SETQ XREF_PATHSPEC
(APPEND XREF_PATHSPEC (list (CDR (ASSOC 1 BLK)) )
) )

) ) ;; end if / progn
(SETQ BLK (TBLNEXT "BLOCK"))
) ;; end while
)

(DEFUN xr_data ()
(IF (> (LENGTH XBLK_NAME) 0) XBLK_NAME NIL )
(SETQ loop# (length XBLK_NAME)
xpath_remain XREF_PATHSPEC
xblks_remain XBLK_NAME
)
;;; now I have the block table reset to the start and lists: 1 of xref
names, 1 of xref paths
;;; also, the # of xrefs
)


(DEFUN xr_revise ()
(command "LAYER" "MAKE" "XREF" "COLOR" "2" "" "LOCK" "" "")
(SETQ xblks_remain XBLK_NAME) ; List of block names

(repeat loop#
(SETQ XBLKN_EDIT (car xblks_remain) ; 1st of xblks_remain
xblks_remain (cdr xblks_remain) ; - bal of xblks_remain
BLKXREF (CAR XBLK_NAME)
XBLK_NAME (CDR XBLK_NAME)
XREF_PATHSPEC (car xpath_remain) ; 1st of xpath_remain
xpath_remain (cdr xpath_remain) ; - bal of xpath_remain
)
(look_for_EXT)
(look_for_dir)

;;; LINE 96 #####################################################
(SETQ newpath (strcat "..\\ARCH\\" XREF_NEWPATH))
(command "xref" "path" blkXREF newpath)


) ;; **** END OF REPEAT

(command "LAYER" "SET" "0" "")

(command "qtext" "off")

)

(defun msg ()
(alert " \n\n double check this-- all xrefs should now be correct ...
\n")
(command "_xref")
)

(DEFUN C:XRP ()
(find_xrefs)
(xr_data)
(xr_revise)
(msg)
)


;;; go back to line 96--- edit for YOUR directory structure
Message 32 of 40
Anonymous
in reply to: dqueen

dqueen,

we too use primarly AutoCAD but we also do project
with PDMS. We have vertical products like ADT 3.3, MagiCAD HVAC from Cadcom (a
splendid software), Rebis Structural and looking for something for piping and
electrical, maybee ABE and ABM migh be somthing, MagiCAD is also coming with a
piping and electrical solution. So I'm trying to have all disciplines in 3D
somehow. Mabyee I will propose the use of PDMS for complicated process piping
projects and have it xreffed into AutoCAD and vice versa.

 

We have also done two projects with PDMS and one of
them using PDMS for all disciplines. I have two of europes best PDMS
programmers/engineers in my team so were pushing PDMS to the limit.

 

I've also developed an Engineering Database that
handles MTO's from CAD with interface to purchasing software, mechanical
compleation and commisioning with tagnumbers connected to the drawings,
etc.

 


--
Best Regards, Jimmy B
CAD/Database Manager at
href="http://www.pharmadule-emtunga.com">www.pharmadule-emtunga.com

Take
a look at the trial version of SmartPurger or download some freeware at

href="http://jtbworld.vze.com">http://jtbworld.vze.com


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This
is a very broad question, but there is a reason. My company uses AutoCAD,
Microstation and PDMS. I am in charge of AutoCAD for my company and I am
trying to set goals for where our company should be headed with AutoCad. My
question to anyone is how is AutoCad being used in your companies. Are you
using 3rd party software? If so what?Are you using paper space? If so do you
use it all the time or just in certain cases? What are you doing with 3D and
rendering? What are your clients asking for? Also, we are a multi-office firm
and we share work between office across the WAN. How do you share work? What
problems have you seen? It seems that my company has come to a stand still,
and I need suggestions for the future. There is so much out there, and that
makes it hard to decide which way to go. I am looking for what you are doing
and seen. Anything you would like to share would be
helpful.
Message 33 of 40
dqueen
in reply to: dqueen

Thanks to everyone that supplied info!
Message 34 of 40
dqueen
in reply to: dqueen

Another question I forgot to ask. Do you charge for cad time and plots, or are they just added into the multiplier?
Message 35 of 40
Anonymous
in reply to: dqueen

We charge.  There are several plot loggers out
there.  In fact, there is a plot logging option in autocad, I think, but it
just creates a text file.

 

I think that Rob Starz's package of add-ons also
includes plot logging,  Rob will undoubtedly be willing to provide you with
more details

 

my office uses a package called x-plot, from x-act
solutions.  They also have a product called x-print, and I'm hoping to
change over.,  x-print works outside of autocad, and so it avoids several
possible conflicts with third party software.  It also lets you log any
application, not just autocad.  look for them at


 

there are other logging applications, if you search
the various NG's (this one, ADT, and the print/plot NG), you will probably
develop a pretty good list.

 

we bill based on square footage, and account for
media and color vs black and white.  THe time spent plotting just gets
billed to the job as coordination time.


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Another
question I forgot to ask. Do you charge for cad time and plots, or are they
just added into the multiplier?
Message 36 of 40
dqueen
in reply to: dqueen

What about cad time? We use an in house program to charge for plots and an house program that keeps track of cad hours. Just curious how other companies handle this.
Message 37 of 40
Anonymous
in reply to: dqueen

We don't do anythign automated.  There were
too many variables - like having a drawing open for one project while talking on
the phone to someone about another project entirely.


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What
about cad time? We use an in house program to charge for plots and an house
program that keeps track of cad hours. Just curious how other companies handle
this.
Message 38 of 40
mdemers
in reply to: dqueen

D_Queen

We don't do anything automated also for the same reasons as Charles mentioned.

As far as the questions you posted at the beginning of the thread right now we use PS only to plot, and put general notes. We use textmask and wipeout quite a lot so it woudn't make sense for us to put all text in Pspace because in R14 you can't create wipeouts and text masks in PS (We have ACAD2002 but we haven't started using it yet, maybe 2002 can do this and if it can we may change our standard.) Another thing nice about PS is that you can save your drawing in PS then if you open it later and want to plot it you just plot extents 1:1 and it plots. You don't have to pick using a window. So if you have 40 drawings to plot it saves time if you can just open it and plot it quickly.

We use Xrefs a lot. We insert them then Clip the Xref. If we send the drawing to the client we bind the Xref to cause less confusion on the other end. I believe we've tried a command in Acad2002 called E-transmit its great it attaches your shape files, fonts, and I believe it includes your xref, everything the client would need to plot your drawing properly (lineweights, fonts etc..). Others in the NG would be able to tell you a heck of a lot more about this command then I can.

Canon
Message 39 of 40
Anonymous
in reply to: dqueen

we use microstation and autocad in our office... if
you want a  3rd party program that works good for both of them (for civil
engineering) i suggest Eagle Point.....


--
Steven O
San Antonio, Texas
Windows 2000
AMD Processor
(1G)
512 MB RAM
Matrox Millenium G450 Dual Head
2 ~ 19"
monitors
Acad 2002 with LDD3
System Printer Drivers


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This
is a very broad question, but there is a reason. My company uses AutoCAD,
Microstation and PDMS. I am in charge of AutoCAD for my company and I am
trying to set goals for where our company should be headed with AutoCad. My
question to anyone is how is AutoCad being used in your companies. Are you
using 3rd party software? If so what?Are you using paper space? If so do you
use it all the time or just in certain cases? What are you doing with 3D and
rendering? What are your clients asking for? Also, we are a multi-office firm
and we share work between office across the WAN. How do you share work? What
problems have you seen? It seems that my company has come to a stand still,
and I need suggestions for the future. There is so much out there, and that
makes it hard to decide which way to go. I am looking for what you are doing
and seen. Anything you would like to share would be
helpful.
Message 40 of 40
mdemers
in reply to: dqueen

Another thing that is great about eagle point is that its probably the most affordable.

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