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Message 1 of 79
rblalock
874 Views, 78 Replies

How do you work?

Not so long ago we worked as engineers/designers and draftsmen, later most draftsmen were replaced by engineers who used computers with CAD. Today there are CAD technicians, but the engineers still do a good bit of production work.

Do you guys still use the old school method of designer -> drafter/CAD monkey or does the designer do their actual drawings as well?

I can see in more creative roles where the designer would want to be the draftsman to the point where the roles are blurred and not really even applicable. However, in some production work you would employ the old school model for efficiency.

Being mostly involved in civil engineering (land development) what model do you use? There is some idea here to go back to old school but I'm not sure that is a viable alternative. Something that is driving this thought is the complexity of software...it takes so much time to learn and relearn as the software becomes more complicated but not easier to use. Lately we have been going through these yearly upgrades and it does not seem to be advantageous to the company.

Ideas/thoughts/rants?

- Richard
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Message 61 of 79
Anonymous
in reply to: rblalock

Mousemonkey.

"Wanderer" wrote in message
news:5805950@discussion.autodesk.com...
I prefer 'CAD technician' 😄


Melanie Perry
*not claiming to be a drafter*
***not all who wander are lost***
http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com

Daniel J. Altamura wrote:
> I prefer "draftsperson." 😉
Message 62 of 79
Anonymous
in reply to: rblalock

pre Cad an entry level drafter was called a Kroy Monkey.


"Irish MJ" wrote in message
news:5806274@discussion.autodesk.com...
I am a cad monkey (amongst other things, but that is my trade at the
moment).

Our teams involve an engineer and a monkey or technician. Speaking purely
from my own experience over the last 15 years, engineers and architects do
not produce good drawings. What they produce will be correct in content, but
if it needs to be edited afterwards it can turn into a nightmare.

I feel that engineers and architects often have enough to do without getting
involved in the drafting, when they do, they just want to get it done as
quickly as possible.

As a draftsman, I have yet to meet a technician or angineer/architect who
would be as good a drafter as a dedicated drafter, but then that would be
expected, they trained in design, not drafting.

The above is purely my own experiences. There is no need for any architect
or engineer to get upset.

MJ


"rwblalock" wrote in message news:5803984@discussion.autodesk.com...
Not so long ago we worked as engineers/designers and draftsmen, later most
draftsmen were replaced by engineers who used computers with CAD. Today
there are CAD technicians, but the engineers still do a good bit of
production work.

Do you guys still use the old school method of designer -> drafter/CAD
monkey or does the designer do their actual drawings as well?

I can see in more creative roles where the designer would want to be the
draftsman to the point where the roles are blurred and not really even
applicable. However, in some production work you would employ the old
school model for efficiency.

Being mostly involved in civil engineering (land development) what model do
you use? There is some idea here to go back to old school but I'm not sure
that is a viable alternative. Something that is driving this thought is the
complexity of software...it takes so much time to learn and relearn as the
software becomes more complicated but not easier to use. Lately we have
been going through these yearly upgrades and it does not seem to be
advantageous to the company.

Ideas/thoughts/rants?

- Richard
Message 63 of 79
dgorsman
in reply to: rblalock

Cybernetic entomologist.
----------------------------------
If you are going to fly by the seat of your pants, expect friction burns.
"I don't know" is the beginning of knowledge, not the end.


Message 64 of 79
Anonymous
in reply to: rblalock

And full strength, not mid-strength I presume?
Good Christmas drawing, BTW.
Igor.

--
To reply please use igor@iinet.net.au address
"Larry" wrote in message
news:5806268@discussion.autodesk.com...
I still prefer Draught.
Message 65 of 79
Anonymous
in reply to: rblalock

clintonG, are you a drafter?

"clintonG" wrote in message
news:5806170@discussion.autodesk.com...
I Message was edited by: Discussion Admin
Message 66 of 79
Anonymous
in reply to: rblalock

call me whatever you want, future boss-man. 😄

Ric Hammond wrote:
> Mousemonkey.
>
> "Wanderer" wrote in message
> news:5805950@discussion.autodesk.com...
> I prefer 'CAD technician' 😄
>
>
> Melanie Perry
> *not claiming to be a drafter*
> ***not all who wander are lost***
> http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com
>
> Daniel J. Altamura wrote:
>> I prefer "draftsperson." 😉
Message 67 of 79
Anonymous
in reply to: rblalock

Great-Granddad? izzat you?

Irish MJ wrote:
> Who can forget the days of scratching off ink with a blade, covering the
> areas with magic tape and then redrawing.... those were fun days.
>
>
> "rwblalock" wrote in message news:5806326@discussion.autodesk.com...
>> The above is purely my own experiences. There is no need for any >
>> architector engineer to get upset.
>
> God knows we wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings! = 🙂
>
> I think it is the software holding back the design process. It should allow
> the professional to produce accurate work without a multi-tiered labor
> process. I don't think I'll see it before I retire tho.
>
> It's still better than it was before the PC entered the arena. I only want
> some of my users to experience those good 'ol days to appreciate what they
> have now!
>
> - Richard
Message 68 of 79
Anonymous
in reply to: rblalock

😄


"Wanderer" wrote in message
news:5806882@discussion.autodesk.com...
call me whatever you want, future boss-man. 😄

Ric Hammond wrote:
> Mousemonkey.
>
> "Wanderer" wrote in message
> news:5805950@discussion.autodesk.com...
> I prefer 'CAD technician' 😄
>
>
> Melanie Perry
> *not claiming to be a drafter*
> ***not all who wander are lost***
> http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com
>
> Daniel J. Altamura wrote:
>> I prefer "draftsperson." 😉
Message 69 of 79
Anonymous
in reply to: rblalock

> call me whatever you want, future boss-man. 😄

Whoa, what?!
Message 70 of 79
Anonymous
in reply to: rblalock

Ric says I have a job if I want it... I said I just don't want it in
California. 😉

Patrick Berry wrote:
>> call me whatever you want, future boss-man. 😄
>
> Whoa, what?!
Message 71 of 79
Anonymous
in reply to: rblalock

Let's check the weather forecast for Christmas.

St. Louis High 38F, Low 28F
The LBC High 64F, Low 46F

Bummer




"Wanderer" wrote in message
news:5806924@discussion.autodesk.com...
Ric says I have a job if I want it... I said I just don't want it in
California. 😉

Patrick Berry wrote:
>> call me whatever you want, future boss-man. 😄
>
> Whoa, what?!
Message 72 of 79
Anonymous
in reply to: rblalock

Young whippersnapper! 😜
--
Daniel J. Altamura, R.A.
Altamura Architectural Consulting
and SoftWorx, Autodesk Authorized Developer
http://partnerproducts.autodesk.com/popups/company.asp?rdid=2139
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

"Wanderer" wrote in message
news:5806883@discussion.autodesk.com...
Great-Granddad? izzat you?
Message 73 of 79
Anonymous
in reply to: rblalock

The money paid into these fascist "associations" such as the A.I.A. is for
the most part used to buy and pay for legislators the fascists pay to
literally implemenet the statutes and regulations the fasicts want passed
into law.

<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/


wrote in message news:5806186@discussion.autodesk.com...
ha, we were just talking bout this in the office. I am done with my IDP, but
i need to send in the last report.

but where does all this money for all these outrageous dues go to, because
it doesn't seem like it goes into the interest of architects or the
profession.

AIA makes it seems like to be an architect u need to be part of that group.
it fools alot of clients into thinking that, they do give u a free book each
month though
Message 74 of 79
Anonymous
in reply to: rblalock

I am a long way from that!!!


"Wanderer" wrote in message
news:5806883@discussion.autodesk.com...
Great-Granddad? izzat you?

Irish MJ wrote:
> Who can forget the days of scratching off ink with a blade, covering the
> areas with magic tape and then redrawing.... those were fun days.
>
>
> "rwblalock" wrote in message news:5806326@discussion.autodesk.com...
>> The above is purely my own experiences. There is no need for any >
>> architector engineer to get upset.
>
> God knows we wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings! = 🙂
>
> I think it is the software holding back the design process. It should
> allow
> the professional to produce accurate work without a multi-tiered labor
> process. I don't think I'll see it before I retire tho.
>
> It's still better than it was before the PC entered the arena. I only
> want
> some of my users to experience those good 'ol days to appreciate what they
> have now!
>
> - Richard
Message 75 of 79
Anonymous
in reply to: rblalock

lol... sorry, just assuming...
My Grandfather used AutoCAD, and my Great-Grandfather used pencils and
ink. 😉

In fact, I'll still got all of my Great-Grandfather's things (he was a
civil engineer, I think? He was retired by the time I was born). Slide
rule, french curves, t-square, eraser shield and various templates, etc.
Cool stuff.

Melanie Perry
***not all who wander are lost***
http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com

Irish MJ wrote:
> I am a long way from that!!!
>
>
> "Wanderer" wrote in message
> news:5806883@discussion.autodesk.com...
> Great-Granddad? izzat you?
>
> Irish MJ wrote:
>> Who can forget the days of scratching off ink with a blade, covering the
>> areas with magic tape and then redrawing.... those were fun days.
>>
>>
>> "rwblalock" wrote in message news:5806326@discussion.autodesk.com...
>>> The above is purely my own experiences. There is no need for any >
>>> architector engineer to get upset.
>> God knows we wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings! = 🙂
>>
>> I think it is the software holding back the design process. It should
>> allow
>> the professional to produce accurate work without a multi-tiered labor
>> process. I don't think I'll see it before I retire tho.
>>
>> It's still better than it was before the PC entered the arena. I only
>> want
>> some of my users to experience those good 'ol days to appreciate what they
>> have now!
>>
>> - Richard
Message 76 of 79
rblalock
in reply to: rblalock

> In fact, I'll still got all of my Great-Grandfather's things (he was a
> civil engineer, I think? He was retired by the time I was born). Slide
> rule, french curves, t-square, eraser shield and various templates,
> etc.
> Cool stuff.

Cool indeed! Our CAD Manager and I were talking about this just last week. I have an old eraser shield that is thin and deformed from all of the erasing,,,not from mistakes, mind you, but from revisions. =:-)

I got my first job, which was meant to be temporary, because I could hand letter and draw about 10x faster than the other draftsman who used leroy. Some who wander are lost but don't really care.
Message 77 of 79
Anonymous
in reply to: rblalock

lol. 🙂

;) that is true indeed.


I've still got all of the hand drafting tools here at _ork as well, but,
most sit unused in my drafting table... the only 'antique' from those
days I still use is the electric eraser. That think is frickin awesome!

Melanie Perry
***not all who wander are lost***
http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com

rwblalock wrote:
>> In fact, I'll still got all of my Great-Grandfather's things (he was a
>> civil engineer, I think? He was retired by the time I was born). Slide
>> rule, french curves, t-square, eraser shield and various templates,
>> etc.
>> Cool stuff.
>
> Cool indeed! Our CAD Manager and I were talking about this just last week. I have an old eraser shield that is thin and deformed from all of the erasing,,,not from mistakes, mind you, but from revisions. =:-)
>
> I got my first job, which was meant to be temporary, because I could hand letter and draw about 10x faster than the other draftsman who used leroy. Some who wander are lost but don't really care.
Message 78 of 79
dravid
in reply to: rblalock

Myself as a 'old school', blue collar man. I would escape to the toolroom and, 'check up'.

I got on well with the craftsmen.

Gee bet a good trady is hard to find these days. (Snigger) [I'm retired]

AnneHoo,

 

Message 79 of 79
dravid
in reply to: Anonymous

Do a cadetship as a Draftsman.

Argue - , 'Toe to toe with the head Engineer'.

Are you or can you go there?

I doubt it, very much.

 

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