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steve216586
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Message 11 of 21 (209 Views)

Re: Do I NEED subscription?

10-11-2007 10:33 AM in reply to: pbyrnej
No.
*Norman Yuan
Message 12 of 21 (209 Views)

Re: Do I NEED subscription?

10-11-2007 10:57 AM in reply to: pbyrnej
With Autodesk yearly new version releasing scheme, some known or yet-to-know
bugs in older version (any version which is not latest release) most likely
never get fixed, they just too busy meeting new release deadline. If you are
unfortunately caught by such stuff, you may have to live with it, or shell
out another $4000 for latest version if the not fixed bug really bothers
you.


wrote in message news:5746784@discussion.autodesk.com...
Sorry I didn't state which software I was planning to buy. I'm going to by
AutoCAD 2008.

So patches/fixes are still free even WITHOUT subscription?
*Allen Jessup
Message 13 of 21 (209 Views)

Re: Do I NEED subscription?

10-11-2007 11:52 AM in reply to: pbyrnej
Yah. But they don't charge you any Extra when they send the next release.
They don't even charge shipping and handling : )

Your paying up front for the next release. So February is probably a good
time to start a Subscription contract.

I like subscription because I can give a good idea want it will const next
year and that line appears in the budget every year. Saves me a lot of time
justifying the expense. At least to Budget and Finance.

Allen

"Josh" wrote in message
news:5746690@discussion.autodesk.com...
"What subscription does is get you the next release at no extra charge."

Oooo...I want one of your subscription deals since mine costs me
$1K/seat/year.

The subscription gets you the newest version as it's released and better
tech support options, among other things. Considering that Autodesk is
seemingly retiring versions that are 4 yrs old (requiring you to buy a full
seat to upgrade) it's practically a wash to be on subscription or "upgrade"
after 4 yrs.

Josh
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wundrlik
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Message 14 of 21 (209 Views)

Re: Do I NEED subscription?

10-11-2007 12:02 PM in reply to: pbyrnej
What you have to look at in the long run is the ROI (Return On Investment). I recently ran the numbers and found the following (taken directly from my report to the bean-counter gods) - these prices are based on a total of 70 licenses of products (A2k8, ACA2k8, revit arch 2k8, a2k8 LT and 3dsMax):

However, if we stay on subscription, next year the total cost to keep current drops to around $18,000 per year (assuming we purchase no additional seats), and as long as we do not need more seats of AutoCAD, we can budget this expense into our operating budget each year. Without subscription, our cost to upgrade our licenses the first year is about $27,000. The cost to upgrade the second year jumps to just over $40,000, the cost the third year goes up to just over $50,000 and in year 4 the cost jumps significantly to over $102,000. The subscription method pays for itself very quickly. We’d have to wait only (2) years between upgrades to realize the benefit of staying on subscription. After year 4 we would realize an overall savings of over $20,000 – enough to pay for year 5 of the subscription. These numbers are based on the current pricing structure and historical data from previous upgrade costs and if the trend continues, there should be another 5 to 10 percent increase in the prices over the next 4 years. Also, on the subscription plan, we do have access to support and other areas in the Autodesk framework for support that would not be available otherwise.

This being said, getting on and keeping a subscription current will end up costing less in the long run. You will also have the perks of the subscription center and automatically getting the new versions as they are released.

My 2 cents worth.

Ryan A Wunderlich
*CivilEITGuy
Message 15 of 21 (209 Views)

Re: Do I NEED subscription?

10-11-2007 08:23 PM in reply to: pbyrnej
You shouldn't of said that here. Now Autodesk will feel slighted and raise
subscription fees. This is a big loss to them. Thats a big savings, but
though, but I understand this purpose and our company is on subscription,
but I still have a sour taste with *each* year we force fed upgrades with
very little improvement. Sometimes I feel like we pay these fee's to play
hide and seek with the toolbars.



wrote in message news:5747290@discussion.autodesk.com...
What you have to look at in the long run is the ROI (Return On Investment).
I recently ran the numbers and found the following (taken directly from my
report to the bean-counter gods) - these prices are based on a total of 70
licenses of products (A2k8, ACA2k8, revit arch 2k8, a2k8 LT and 3dsMax):

However, if we stay on subscription, next year the total cost to keep
current drops to around $18,000 per year (assuming we purchase no additional
seats), and as long as we do not need more seats of AutoCAD, we can budget
this expense into our operating budget each year. Without subscription, our
cost to upgrade our licenses the first year is about $27,000. The cost to
upgrade the second year jumps to just over $40,000, the cost the third year
goes up to just over $50,000 and in year 4 the cost jumps significantly to
over $102,000. The subscription method pays for itself very quickly. We'd
have to wait only (2) years between upgrades to realize the benefit of
staying on subscription. After year 4 we would realize an overall savings of
over $20,000 - enough to pay for year 5 of the subscription. These numbers
are based on the current pricing structure and historical data from previous
upgrade costs and if the trend continues, there should be another 5 to 10
percent increase in the prices over the next 4 years. Also, on the
subscription plan, we do have access to support and other areas in the
Autodesk framework for support that would not be available otherwise.

This being said, getting on and keeping a subscription current will end up
costing less in the long run. You will also have the perks of the
subscription center and automatically getting the new versions as they are
released.

My 2 cents worth.

Ryan A Wunderlich
*Tim
Message 16 of 21 (209 Views)

Re: Do I NEED subscription?

10-12-2007 04:39 AM in reply to: pbyrnej
Auto desk has a screwy policy where they almost seem to intentionally leave
bugs un-patched as an attempt to force you to use current software, or in
other words stay on subscription. Everything they do is geared towards the
intent to get you on subscription and keep you there. They don't try to
sell you a new version based on you wanting the new features, instead try to
make it painful for you not to use it.




wrote in message news:5746436@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'm trying to understand subscription and how it works. Is it REQUIRED to
get basic patches/fixes to their own software? Or is it like Window's
operating software where you buy the software and updates/patches are PART
of the deal?

If I DON'T get the subscription, what will I exactly NOT be able to do or
get?

I don't need all the other stuff that they offer, I just want to make sure
that my software, which I'm going to pay $4,000 for, is going to get the
fixes/updates that it NEEDS to correct bugs and software errors.
*pkirill
Message 17 of 21 (209 Views)

Re: Do I NEED subscription?

10-12-2007 06:03 AM in reply to: pbyrnej
This is a little off topic, but you might ask the bean counter to look into
multiple year subscriptions. If you're not adding seats, it's great and if
you you do add seats, it's not too bad. We went to a 3 year subscription for
21 seats, got a 10% discount on each subscription and then we put the whole
thing on a three year lease. So we make a monthly payment instead of having
to pass the big stone every year. Our bean counter says we get other
benefits from having it on a lease instead as well, but that's over my
head... Our reseller is able to deal directly with the leasing company in
the event we add seats so hassle is minimized...


wrote in message news:5747290@discussion.autodesk.com...
What you have to look at in the long run is the ROI (Return On Investment).
I recently ran the numbers and found the following (taken directly from my
report to the bean-counter gods) - these prices are based on a total of 70
licenses of products (A2k8, ACA2k8, revit arch 2k8, a2k8 LT and 3dsMax):

However, if we stay on subscription, next year the total cost to keep
current drops to around $18,000 per year (assuming we purchase no additional
seats), and as long as we do not need more seats of AutoCAD, we can budget
this expense into our operating budget each year. Without subscription, our
cost to upgrade our licenses the first year is about $27,000. The cost to
upgrade the second year jumps to just over $40,000, the cost the third year
goes up to just over $50,000 and in year 4 the cost jumps significantly to
over $102,000. The subscription method pays for itself very quickly. We'd
have to wait only (2) years between upgrades to realize the benefit of
staying on subscription. After year 4 we would realize an overall savings of
over $20,000 - enough to pay for year 5 of the subscription. These numbers
are based on the current pricing structure and historical data from previous
upgrade costs and if the trend continues, there should be another 5 to 10
percent increase in the prices over the next 4 years. Also, on the
subscription plan, we do have access to support and other areas in the
Autodesk framework for support that would not be available otherwise.

This being said, getting on and keeping a subscription current will end up
costing less in the long run. You will also have the perks of the
subscription center and automatically getting the new versions as they are
released.

My 2 cents worth.

Ryan A Wunderlich
*Dennis Jeffrey
Message 18 of 21 (209 Views)

Re: Do I NEED subscription?

10-12-2007 03:18 PM in reply to: pbyrnej
Huh????

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"Tim" wrote in message news:5747819@discussion.autodesk.com...
Auto desk has a screwy policy where they almost seem to intentionally leave
bugs un-patched as an attempt to force you to use current software, or in
other words stay on subscription. Everything they do is geared towards the
intent to get you on subscription and keep you there. They don't try to
sell you a new version based on you wanting the new features, instead try to
make it painful for you not to use it.




wrote in message news:5746436@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'm trying to understand subscription and how it works. Is it REQUIRED to
get basic patches/fixes to their own software? Or is it like Window's
operating software where you buy the software and updates/patches are PART
of the deal?

If I DON'T get the subscription, what will I exactly NOT be able to do or
get?

I don't need all the other stuff that they offer, I just want to make sure
that my software, which I'm going to pay $4,000 for, is going to get the
fixes/updates that it NEEDS to correct bugs and software errors.
*Dean Saadallah
Message 19 of 21 (209 Views)

Re: Do I NEED subscription?

10-13-2007 03:48 PM in reply to: pbyrnej
black helicopters coming... .

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pbyrnej
Posts: 7
Registered: ‎10-10-2007
Message 20 of 21 (209 Views)

Re: Do I NEED subscription?

10-15-2007 09:46 AM in reply to: pbyrnej
uh-oh..........
lol
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