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Miguel
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11-28-2000 08:50 AM
Does anybody have any advice on detail drawings as far as Paperspace and Xreference?
How about Detail Librarys?
I was trying to Standardize a Project Model with xrefed base files and Sheet files but there is still
disagreement on how to do the details.
Boss is diehard r12DOS and likes it. Alot of details exist but are non standard and inaccurate
as well as scaled up to fit on misc. scaled plans. Nothing is associative. Believe it or not there
is a whole cult of people who pretend that Paper Space does not exist. They used to have the
same beliefs about xreference but are starting to see the light.
Anyways, he has yet to grasp the 121 philosophy and wants to do things the "easy" way. Scaling, no PS etc.
I want to have a details.dwg in which details from our "library" (aka other DWGs) are blocked or pasted into
and then xref the details.dwg into the required sheets and create viewports at the appropriate scales.
OR for those who fear PaperSpace and/or xreference, just insert the individual detail blocks into
PS and scale to suit. (yucky).
If the detail needs to be modified, then it is either saved as the next name in sequence and modified,
or exploded and modified. Either Way the new detail has to be added to the library.

Any advice, musings or stories would be good ammo in my next standards beating...er meeting.

Laterz,

Miguel
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dalexander
Posts: 106
Registered: ‎01-30-2001
Message 2 of 4 (115 Views)

Re: Details

11-29-2000 02:33 AM in reply to: Miguel
Our details are individule drawings with an 8.5 x 11 titleblock. Some are model space but all new ones are ms/ps. They can be printed out for including in the specification or xrefed into a large drawing. When xrefed, the ps titleblock doesn't show up so the detail takes up less then 8.5 x 11 in the drawing. Usually we attach (overlay) them in ps. It is important that the detail be copied over from the library and saved with the new project name. The worst thing to do with autocad is to draw something that is not to scale and does not have proper associative dimensioning. The first go around is not too bad but every subsquent edit takes longer than it would if it were done properly. There is no "one only, never to be reused detail". Make sure that all hard copies of any detail have on them somewhere, the acad file name. Cad details without a file name are almost impossiable to find in a library system. Do not fix or convert anything until you need to use it. This way you do not spend time on something that you don't need right away or may never need.
One of the major advantages of ps plotting is the ability to scale line weights. We can plot a 1:100 scale 24x36 drawing at 11x17 and actually read it (with truetype fonts).
Hope this helps. Dave Alexander
*Furman, Paul
Message 3 of 4 (115 Views)

Re: Details

11-29-2000 03:57 PM in reply to: Miguel
Xreffing & scaling details in paper or model space
is a good way to go if you re-use identical
details or have many people working on different
details. If you do it this way, put the dimscale
on each detail title so there is somewhere to
figure out the proper scale when xreffing.

We usually place all the details in model space &
create scaled viewports in pspace which makes it
easy to draw to scale & borrow portions of similar
ajacent details but I must admit it becomes
complicated.

While it is very sensible on one level, I'd tend
to shy away from using a standard library because
what if you update the detail? How do you archive
old drawing sets completely? Relative paths could
be a real nightmare too. Best to copy everything
into your project directory (or drawing) unless
you've got an airtight system set up.
*Grandmaison, Robert
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Re: Details

12-02-2000 03:00 PM in reply to: Miguel
We use a large detail library with details drawn
mostly at 1:16, 1:12, and some 1:24 stuff. We often mix planwork and detail work
together- as well as general notes (1:1).

 

We have a system that works perfectly for us. I'll
try to describe it.

 

In Modelspace we have a grid that represents each
of the drawing scales...it's a modular system. For the notes drawn at 1:1 (or
most text based items like abbreviations lists, symbols, etc) the notes are
placed in THAT area in MS. Next to it is an identical modular grid block, scaled
at 1:4 for our 3"=1'-0" drawn details. Next to that is another block at 1:8 for
our 1-1/2"=1'-0" details...next to that one scaled at 1:12 for our 1"=1'-0",
next to that one at 1:16...1:24....below those...1:32...1:64....1:96...and
that's about all the scales we use.

 

So picture a bunch of construction line type grid
layouts at all the relevant and needed scales you might work at- each grid
divided into a 6 x 4 array, representing a "square" modular pigeonhole in the
detail sheet. Each "grid" has a view set up for it via our lisp routines so
if I want to go to the grid for the 3/4"=1'-0" detail area, I simply restore the
MSV16 view (I actually just do it by clicking on a button that says "16"- and it
sets my textstyle and dimstyle appropriately). So switching to the correct view
AND setting textsize and dimscale is a done deal (customize as much as you can
for standardization compliance).

 

Now, back in PS, those same buttons do something
different. If a viewport for a certain scale doesn't already exist- it creates
it- AND it matches it to the same grid that WOULD occur in PS if it did occur
there- and then sets that view current for that scale viewport. So, even if we
have 24 details of 3 different scales all scattered about, we only have three
viewports for them- one for each unique scale. If a viewport DOES already exist
for that particular scale factor, then it simply makes that viewport current.
Otherwise, since all viewports have the exact same shape and size, it would
require a lot of CTRL+R to find the correct one.

 

The users, when they insert a detail, must know
what scale the detail is at. Most of our details do have a scales on them, but
we're moving away from putting that on our details (liablity issues about using
standardized details that are supposed to be read diagramactically instead of
literally)can tell by the size of the grid that surrounds the detail (for text
positioning- it's on a nplt layer). Then they snap it to a correct pigeonhole in
the correctly scaled area. If square 1 is taken up by a 3/4" detail, they must
skip square 1 locations in all other scaled grid areas. We really came up with
this solution by much trial and error (hadn't seen anyone use it yet other than
us, but those I've introduced it to seem to like it!)

 

I've posted a sample of one of our detail sheets in
the CF groups a long time back. If you need one, I could do it again. A picture
is worth a thousand words- seeing it in action must be worth even
more.

 

Cheers,

Robert Grandmaison

 


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Does
anybody have any advice on detail drawings as far as Paperspace and
Xreference?
How about Detail Librarys?
I was trying to Standardize a
Project Model with xrefed base files and Sheet files but there is still

disagreement on how to do the details.
Boss is diehard r12DOS and
likes it. Alot of details exist but are non standard and inaccurate
as
well as scaled up to fit on misc. scaled plans. Nothing is associative.
Believe it or not there
is a whole cult of people who pretend that Paper
Space does not exist. They used to have the
same beliefs about xreference
but are starting to see the light.
Anyways, he has yet to grasp the 121
philosophy and wants to do things the "easy" way. Scaling, no PS etc.
I
want to have a details.dwg in which details from our "library" (aka other
DWGs) are blocked or pasted into
and then xref the details.dwg into the
required sheets and create viewports at the appropriate scales.
OR for
those who fear PaperSpace and/or xreference, just insert the individual detail
blocks into
PS and scale to suit. (yucky).
If the detail needs to be
modified, then it is either saved as the next name in sequence and modified,

or exploded and modified. Either Way the new detail has to be added to the
library.

Any advice, musings or stories would be good ammo in my next standards
beating...er meeting.

Laterz,

Miguel

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