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Cad Manager vs. Ease of use

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Anonymous
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Cad Manager vs. Ease of use

The easier Cad software, the lesser important it is to have a Cad Manager?
Are Cad Managers necessary because of the difficulty in handling the Cad
software?

Alfredo Medina
alfmedina@hotmail.com
Moderator
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Message 2 of 10
kartz
in reply to: Anonymous

Alfredo, I seem to have ended up with the job of CAD Manager (unrecognized) in our office and I spend most of my time working on configuration and setup changes and tech support for the other users. Since I too am constantly learning new things and the software is constantly changing, I am always tweeking the configuration, toolbars, drivers, etc. Then I have to show the others how to take advantage of the latest changes. We are getting an HP1050C today to replace our old HP600 and guess who gets to figure out how to make it work with LDDr2i, Civil Design and Survey? Hopefully once I download the latest driver from the HP website it won't be too difficult. I my opinion CAD software is only getting more complex and difficult to use, not easier. Yes, it is more user friendly but it also does a lot more then it used to and the users have to know what they are doing to get the correct results. And it seems to me that the more complex the software the less the users want to read the manuals and do the research necessary to become proficient.
Kim Artz
Message 3 of 10
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

How big is your office? With a few motivated people (less than 4, I'd
say; IF they work well together) I'd guess you could get along without
a manager. Even so, in any group there is usually one or two people
who take the lead. Shouldn't they be the managers and be compensated
for it?
--
Richard Chalmers
Design Engineer, Weatherend Estate Furniture
rchalmers@weatherend.com

> The easier Cad software, the lesser important it is to have a Cad
Manager?
> Are Cad Managers necessary because of the difficulty in handling the
Cad
> software?
>
> Alfredo Medina
> alfmedina@hotmail.com
> Moderator
Message 4 of 10
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I would have to agree. That all.

--
Wastequip May Fab
Engineering Dept.
CAD Manager/Designer
Jason Renteria
kartz wrote in message
news:f02867d.1@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Alfredo, I seem to have ended up with the job of CAD Manager
(unrecognized) in our office and I spend most of my time working on
configuration and setup changes and tech support for the other users. Since
I too am constantly learning new things and the software is constantly
changing, I am always tweeking the configuration, toolbars, drivers, etc.
Then I have to show the others how to take advantage of the latest changes.
We are getting an HP1050C today to replace our old HP600 and guess who gets
to figure out how to make it work with LDDr2i, Civil Design and Survey?
Hopefully once I download the latest driver from the HP website it won't be
too difficult. I my opinion CAD software is only getting more complex and
difficult to use, not easier. Yes, it is more user friendly but it also does
a lot more then it used to and the users have to know what they are doing to
get the correct results. And it seems to me that the more complex the
software the less the users want to read the manuals and do the research
necessary to become proficient.
> Kim Artz
>
Message 5 of 10
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I am the CAD Manager for a firm with about 50 drafters/designers, 15
architects, and 20 other staff. My job is to manage the "CAD system" and
support its users. Our CAD system has many components:
* CAD software (AutoCAD, ADT, 3DS VIZ)
* CAD peripherals
* customization of the CAD software (LISP, templates, add-ons, etc)
* CAD standards (layers, fonts, file names, blocks, etc.)
* CAD procedures (setting up a drawing, plotting, etc.)
* CAD training (new and existing employees)
* R&D (Research and Development)
* Misc (everything else CAD that I've left out)
I find that not matter how easy the CAD software has become, I am always
busy. Most of our designers and architects want to concentrate on their
projects, not on the tool, that's my job. So I take all the guesswork out of
the tool for them. I can expand on how I have done this if you are
interested.

Troy R Gates
CAD Manager
Design Plus
Grand Rapids, MI
tgates@design-plus.com

"Alfredo Medina" wrote in message
news:3A87D915.5C0C4AFA@hotmail.com...
> The easier Cad software, the lesser important it is to have a Cad Manager?
> Are Cad Managers necessary because of the difficulty in handling the Cad
> software?
>
> Alfredo Medina
> alfmedina@hotmail.com
> Moderator
Message 6 of 10
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Thank you. Please do expand on how you have done this.
--
Richard Chalmers
Design Engineer, Weatherend Estate Furniture
rchalmers@weatherend.com

"Troy Gates" wrote in message
news:FEFD844ACC4E2A8DD62531BC7D3A18CD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I am the CAD Manager for a firm with about 50 drafters/designers, 15
> architects, and 20 other staff. My job is to manage the "CAD system"
and
> support its users. Our CAD system has many components:
> * CAD software (AutoCAD, ADT, 3DS VIZ)
> * CAD peripherals
> * customization of the CAD software (LISP, templates, add-ons,
etc)
> * CAD standards (layers, fonts, file names, blocks, etc.)
> * CAD procedures (setting up a drawing, plotting, etc.)
> * CAD training (new and existing employees)
> * R&D (Research and Development)
> * Misc (everything else CAD that I've left out)
> I find that not matter how easy the CAD software has become, I am
always
> busy. Most of our designers and architects want to concentrate on
their
> projects, not on the tool, that's my job. So I take all the
guesswork out of
> the tool for them. I can expand on how I have done this if you are
> interested.
>
> Troy R Gates
> CAD Manager
> Design Plus
> Grand Rapids, MI
> tgates@design-plus.com
>
> "Alfredo Medina" wrote in message
> news:3A87D915.5C0C4AFA@hotmail.com...
> > The easier Cad software, the lesser important it is to have a Cad
Manager?
> > Are Cad Managers necessary because of the difficulty in handling
the Cad
> > software?
> >
> > Alfredo Medina
> > alfmedina@hotmail.com
> > Moderator
>
Message 7 of 10
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

In my company, we have created three CAD committees; Standards, R&D, and
Training. Each of these committees meet once a month to discuss ways to make
employees' jobs easier. The Standards committee reviews everything having to
do with the way we use CAD, ie: layers, fonts, filenames, details, etc. The
R&D committee creates and tests ways to do things easier via LISP, 3rd-party
addons, etc. And lastly the Training committee trains the CAD users on the
Standards and R&D results. Part of my responsibility as CAD Manager is to
manage these three groups. By having these committees, the employees feel
empowered. Plus we are able to look at problems or suggestions from
different viewpoints.

As far as simplifying the tools so the designers can concentrate on their
projects, we have done this mostly through customizing AutoCAD. We have
re-written many of the commands and processes so they work much easier. For
instance, we have re-written some commands so that they use the correct
layers, linetypes, colors, fonts, etc. so that the user doesn't have to
remember to change layers before using that command. Another example is
inserting blocks. Instead of using the insert command, we have written
commands that will insert the block scaled to the dimscale and places the
block on the correct layer. Little things like these add up to many hours of
saved time over a few months.

If I can help anymore, please email me.

Troy Gates
CAD Manager
Design Plus
Grand Rapids, MI
tgates@design-plus.com
Message 8 of 10
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Troy,

That sounds wonderful. It seems like something very difficult to achieve in
most offices, where nobody seems to have a minute to spend in these things,
but they do complain if something is not right. It sounds wonderful for me
because it creates a feeling that the responsibility of keeping the Cad
work in good shape is shared by many people, having the Cad Manager as the
coordinator, not the only one responsible. According to many threads that I
have read here, the most common situation seems to be the one I have
described, and the one you have described seems to be the exception.

Alfredo Medina
alfmedina@hotmail.com
Moderator

Troy Gates wrote:
>
> In my company, we have created three CAD committees; Standards, R&D, and
> Training. Each of these committees meet once a month to discuss ways to make
> employees' jobs easier. (...)
Message 9 of 10
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous



Right on Alfredo!

After being the lone State CADD Coordinator for over three years, I
now have a committee.  I see great things being done that I neither
had the time for, or full knowledge of.  The members of the committee
are CADD and Total Station users who have a stake in what the committee
develops.  It has made a big difference in what gets deveoploed to
support the users.  There is just no way I could have done the things
we are (and will be) doing, on my own.  A committee is the way to
go.

As you can see, one person could not possibly do all this, (and get
paid enough).

The following was clipped from the summary of our first Committee
meeting.

Goal   (in order of priority)            
note: goals 5 and 6 tied in the ranking

1. Develop conventions for:

a) surveys conducted with Total Station Survey Instruments and Electronic
Data Collectors

b) designing and drafting with CADD software

2. Collect and develop electronic versions of standard drawings and
details of conservation practices for use by CADD and non-CADD users. 
Decide on a method of distributing CADD drawings as they are developed.

3. Update the NYS CADD Handbook to reflect the current version of software,
and include additional routines.  Decide on a method of distributing
the handbook and future updates.

4. Evaluate training needs in New York.  Identify resources for
providing training.  Develop training modules for in-house sessions.

5. Evaluate and make recommendations for state-wide equipment needs
(includes Software).

6. Achieve common user level amongst Committee members.

7. Develop a CADD workstation and Total Station Surveying Instrument
maintenance policy/guide/schedule.

8. Improve communication with CADD users in other Northeast states.

Plan of Action

This first meeting allowed the committee to plan how it would address
Goals 1-3.   The committee understands that additional issues
or concerns may arise as we proceed, possibly creating a need to adjust
our goals.  Some of the work that is done to achieve one goal may
also lend itself to proceeding to another, lower priority goal.

Goal 1a – Develop conventions for surveys conducted with Total Station
Survey Instruments and

                
Electronic Data Collectors

Goal 1b – Designing and Drafting with CADD software

The committee agreed to begin developing state-wide conventions for
Total Station Surveying at the next meeting.  The conventions decided
upon will naturally lead into the conventions to be developed in the areas
of Drafting and Design.  To assist in the committee in the development
of these conventions, one or more CADD workstations, Total Station instruments,
Data Collectors, and a plotter will be available at future meetings.

 

Goal 2  - Develop, collect, and distribute electronic versions
of standard drawings and details

               
of conservation practices for use by CADD and non-CADD users.

Gary has started collecting, updating and developing standard drawings
for WRP practices, details for concrete pads, timber and concrete curbs,
and roof gutters.  Committee members will bring additional drawings
to future meetings to be considered for use as standards.  Once the
drafting and design conventions have been developed, it will not be difficult
to bring existing drawings into compliance.   All drawings will
need review and approval by the State Conservation Engineer, and a “Conditions
Of Use” statement attached to each.   Three such statements are
currently under consideration by the State Office Engineering staff.

One or more methods will be employed to distribute the CADD drawings
as they are approved for issue.

Due to the size of CADD drawing files, using e-mail to distribute them
will be restrictive.  Space is available on the NRCS server to store
the drawings, which will allow users of FTP software to access the files. 
Gary has a CD writer connected to his workstation that could be used in
some capacity.  The committee will need to assess the various methods
available.

 

Goal 3  - Update the NYS CADD Handbook to reflect the current version
of software and include

               
additional common  routines.

Gary will start working to update parts of the CADD handbook not related
to design routines in the LDD2 software.  All committee members will
be involved in updating and developing various common routines to include
in the handbook, once goals #1 and #2 are accomplished.  The strategy
is that members who develop routines will eventually provide that particular
training.

Gary’s suggested using the NRCS web page to distribute the handbook
and drawings to users.  This will require training and time to convert
the existing handbook MS-Word and Excel files into HTML format so they
can be posted in a web page.  Assistance from IRM will be needed.  
Other distribution methods may also be explored if necessary.

 

Gary

Alfredo Medina wrote:

Troy,

That sounds wonderful. It seems like something very difficult to achieve
in

most offices, where nobody seems to have a minute to spend in these
things,

but they do complain if something is not right. It sounds wonderful
for me

because it creates a feeling that the responsibility of keeping the
Cad

work in good shape is shared by many people, having the Cad Manager
as the

coordinator, not the only one responsible. According to many threads
that I

have read here, the most common situation seems to be the one I have

described, and the one you have described seems to be the exception.

Alfredo Medina

alfmedina@hotmail.com

Moderator

Troy Gates wrote:

>

> In my company, we have created three CAD committees; Standards, R&D,
and

> Training. Each of these committees meet once a month to discuss ways
to make

> employees' jobs easier. (...)



--

Gary (Byrd) Vandawalker

Civil Engineering Technician / NY State CADD Coordinator

USDA Natural Resources Conservation Service

441 South Salina Street, Suite 354

Syracuse, New York 13202

Phone: 315-477-6546

Fax: 315-477-6550

e-mail: gary.vandawalker@ny.usda.gov

 

Message 10 of 10
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Thanks Troy and others; very helpful.

--
Richard Chalmers
Design Engineer, Weatherend Estate Furniture
rchalmers@weatherend.com

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