CAD Manager Food for Thought...

[Anonymous]

Its interesting to note that Usenet is a revolving first in last out
file structure that *always* has at least one post about
CAD Manager salaries so here is some food for thought
that will stick around for awhile until it rolls off the bottom
of the stack...

Here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin CAD Managers earn
anywhere from $12 to $18 an hour. So do the garbage men.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/

[Anonymous]

Sanitation Engineers, not garbage men. Cad guy, Cad dude, Cad gofer, etc., not Cad manager.
Strange isn't it, same in western Wisconsin

[Anonymous]

No offense, but it might be time to look else where if that is
all they want to pay in Wisconsin.  Here in the twin cities they pay quite
a bit more, only one thing you need to become a Viking fan

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Sanitation
Engineers, not garbage men. Cad guy, Cad dude, Cad gofer, etc., not Cad
manager.
Strange isn't it, same in western
Wisconsin

[Anonymous]

You should move to California.

CAD managers can earn from $50,000 to $80,000 a yr. in the right company.

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Rudy@Cadentity.com
Practical Utilities for Productive Solutions
'Block Attribute Assistant' - Available Since Jan. 1 2001!
www.Cadentity.com

Clinton Gallagher wrote in message
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> Its interesting to note that Usenet is a revolving first in last out
> file structure that *always* has at least one post about
> CAD Manager salaries so here is some food for thought
> that will stick around for awhile until it rolls off the bottom
> of the stack...
>
> Here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin CAD Managers earn
> anywhere from $12 to $18 an hour. So do the garbage men.
>
> --
> <%= Clinton Gallagher
> http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/
>

[Anonymous]

Before anyone takes Rudy's advice, check out real estate prices in
California.

Rudy Tovar wrote in message ...
>You should move to California.
>
>CAD managers can earn from $50,000 to $80,000 a yr. in the right company.

[Anonymous]

San Francisco:
Garbage Man $23/hr plus OT
Cad Man $20/hr

But hey it's a laid back job with only seven stations & the garbage man
freind has been at it for 28 years ...& I know I should be asking for a
raise...

Rudy Tovar wrote:

> You should move to California.
>
> CAD managers can earn from $50,000 to $80,000 a yr. in the right company.
>
> --
>
> Rudy@Cadentity.com
> Practical Utilities for Productive Solutions
> 'Block Attribute Assistant' - Available Since Jan. 1 2001!
> www.Cadentity.com
>
> Clinton Gallagher wrote in message
> news:13F989E59A2076500602750C3D233339@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Its interesting to note that Usenet is a revolving first in last out
> > file structure that *always* has at least one post about
> > CAD Manager salaries so here is some food for thought
> > that will stick around for awhile until it rolls off the bottom
> > of the stack...
> >
> > Here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin CAD Managers earn
> > anywhere from $12 to $18 an hour. So do the garbage men.
> >
> > --
> > <%= Clinton Gallagher
> > http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/
> >

[Anonymous]

It's true, cost of living can also be expensive.

A single family residence can cost about, $300,000 to $500,000 in some
areas.

But you can still find reasonable priced home for about 225,000.

Depending on down, the monthly mortgage can run about $1200.00

Utilities about $100.00 Elec, $35.00 Gas, and $25.00 phone.

Apartments run about the same in monthly payments. Except they pay for Gas.

So you're looking at about a savings of about $2,500.00 a month if you can
manage your income.

Randy Richardson wrote in message
news:F00C8DAF1F857A7C9B3D848C87662C30@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Before anyone takes Rudy's advice, check out real estate prices in
> California.
>
> Rudy Tovar wrote in message ...
> >You should move to California.
> >
> >CAD managers can earn from $50,000 to $80,000 a yr. in the right company.
>

[Anonymous]

CAD Managers can, and do, make WELL over $18.00 per hour in Southeastern
WI. I lived/worked in Minneapolis, as well as Chicago, and all I can say is
for the VERY small salary increase I was paid in these "higher paying" large
metros it truly was not worth the daily pain the @$$ caused by traffic and
higher cost of living. I was also paid a salary and now I'm paid hourly.
Looking at it from that end, I will make about $15,000 MORE this year since
I left Minneapolis. I interviewed with 3-4 other firms before accepting my
current position and my benefits are better here.

"Paul Furman" wrote in message
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> San Francisco:
> Garbage Man $23/hr plus OT
> Cad Man $20/hr
>
> But hey it's a laid back job with only seven stations & the garbage man
> freind has been at it for 28 years ...& I know I should be asking for a
> raise...
>
> Rudy Tovar wrote:
>
> > You should move to California.
> >
> > CAD managers can earn from $50,000 to $80,000 a yr. in the right
company.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Rudy@Cadentity.com
> > Practical Utilities for Productive Solutions
> > 'Block Attribute Assistant' - Available Since Jan. 1 2001!
> > www.Cadentity.com
> >
> > Clinton Gallagher wrote in message
> > news:13F989E59A2076500602750C3D233339@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Its interesting to note that Usenet is a revolving first in last out
> > > file structure that *always* has at least one post about
> > > CAD Manager salaries so here is some food for thought
> > > that will stick around for awhile until it rolls off the bottom
> > > of the stack...
> > >
> > > Here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin CAD Managers earn
> > > anywhere from $12 to $18 an hour. So do the garbage men.
> > >
> > > --
> > > <%= Clinton Gallagher
> > > http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/
> > >
>

[Anonymous]

shouldn't elec be more like $1000 a month?

cj

"Rudy Tovar" wrote in message news:FBDE276D8D9D430612A0782B19F8FA54@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> It's true, cost of living can also be expensive.
>
> A single family residence can cost about, $300,000 to $500,000 in some
> areas.
>
> But you can still find reasonable priced home for about 225,000.
>
> Depending on down, the monthly mortgage can run about $1200.00
>
> Utilities about $100.00 Elec, $35.00 Gas, and $25.00 phone.
>
> Apartments run about the same in monthly payments. Except they pay for Gas.
>
> So you're looking at about a savings of about $2,500.00 a month if you can
> manage your income.
>
> Randy Richardson wrote in message
> news:F00C8DAF1F857A7C9B3D848C87662C30@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Before anyone takes Rudy's advice, check out real estate prices in
> > California.
> >
> > Rudy Tovar wrote in message ...
> > >You should move to California.
> > >
> > >CAD managers can earn from $50,000 to $80,000 a yr. in the right company.
> >
>

[Anonymous]

It should be, but us kind folk in the northwest are picking up the tab for
the people down there.

Robert
"CJ Follmer" wrote in message
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> shouldn't elec be more like $1000 a month?
>
> cj
>
> "Rudy Tovar" wrote in message
news:FBDE276D8D9D430612A0782B19F8FA54@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > It's true, cost of living can also be expensive.
> >
> > A single family residence can cost about, $300,000 to $500,000 in some
> > areas.
> >
> > But you can still find reasonable priced home for about 225,000.
> >
> > Depending on down, the monthly mortgage can run about $1200.00
> >
> > Utilities about $100.00 Elec, $35.00 Gas, and $25.00 phone.
> >
> > Apartments run about the same in monthly payments. Except they pay for
Gas.
> >
> > So you're looking at about a savings of about $2,500.00 a month if you
can
> > manage your income.
> >
> > Randy Richardson wrote in message
> > news:F00C8DAF1F857A7C9B3D848C87662C30@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Before anyone takes Rudy's advice, check out real estate prices in
> > > California.
> > >
> > > Rudy Tovar wrote in message ...
> > > >You should move to California.
> > > >
> > > >CAD managers can earn from $50,000 to $80,000 a yr. in the right
company.
> > >
> >
>

[Anonymous]

I agree with Scott. Sometimes the draw of more money in the big city does
not pay off because of high cost of living and the stress of putting up with
all the people.

My Situation is ideal for me. I work at a Design/Build firm in a very small
town (5000 people or so) in Ohio. We are approx. 1hr. east of Toledo & 1hr.
west of Cleveland. My firm employs about 35 office staff including 5
draftsman & 100 field employees. We are also an employee owned company.

I currently make an hourly wage of $18.50. With the regular overtime I have
averaged the past five years, 500 hrs. or so, plus quarterly bonuses that
equates to 65 - 70K per year.

I live approx. 1 1/2 miles from work so travel expenses are nearly nothing.
My home is an average 3br two story worth around 125K. Property taxes are
around $800 - $900 a year for my 1/2 acre.

Conversly my wife has a freind that drives 1 1/2hrs to work each way to a
large city. A normal week for her consists of 2hrs. per day at home not
sleeping. More money would not be worth that for me.

[Anonymous]

This whole discussion amazes me. I work in Northern VA for a telecom company
making almost 70k a year and I am not the manager. In my opinion, CAD
Managers should be paid by the hour. Its a salary position with all the
benefits to go with it. There is too much resposibility to be being paid by
the hour. I dont work overtime....ever, and the only thing that is a drag
is the commute but we get flextime so that can worked around. I worked in
the arch/eng. field for awhile and I can tell you all that there is not
money in it. I admit the high-tech field is a bit tenuous at the moment but
unless you own the company yourself you will never make any real money. Take
a shot do something different.

"Aaron Hauler" wrote in message
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> I agree with Scott. Sometimes the draw of more money in the big city does
> not pay off because of high cost of living and the stress of putting up
with
> all the people.
>
> My Situation is ideal for me. I work at a Design/Build firm in a very
small
> town (5000 people or so) in Ohio. We are approx. 1hr. east of Toledo &
1hr.
> west of Cleveland. My firm employs about 35 office staff including 5
> draftsman & 100 field employees. We are also an employee owned company.
>
> I currently make an hourly wage of $18.50. With the regular overtime I
have
> averaged the past five years, 500 hrs. or so, plus quarterly bonuses that
> equates to 65 - 70K per year.
>
> I live approx. 1 1/2 miles from work so travel expenses are nearly
nothing.
> My home is an average 3br two story worth around 125K. Property taxes are
> around $800 - $900 a year for my 1/2 acre.
>
> Conversly my wife has a freind that drives 1 1/2hrs to work each way to a
> large city. A normal week for her consists of 2hrs. per day at home not
> sleeping. More money would not be worth that for me.
>

[Anonymous]

Do you know everyone's personal situation? Is 70K not sufficient income for
some people? $70k is serious money in northern Minnesota but isn't squat in
New York. BTW, I only told you I made $15K MORE since I left Minneapolis and
I didn't give any details of my position. I agree, I could be making more
money being chief neurosurgeon at a major hospital but do I want to do this?
I could also make less money doing somethig I'd enjoy more - like outdoor
guide. I'm really sorry that you feel $$$ is so important but there is a
point where money is much less of an issue and the working environment/
company is a bigger concern. How does the company treat it's employees? What
is the turnover rate? What types of projects can you become involved with
working for this company? Do you like working with your coworkers? Do you
enjoy developing your subordinates' skills and watching their careers
develop? My bottom line is simple- more money is nice but if I hate going to
work, I hate the commute and my boss is a jackass, I'll take the job with
less $$$ everytime.

"BLM" wrote in message
news:5C1715DE5520E83C207946580D76CB9C@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> This whole discussion amazes me. I work in Northern VA for a telecom
company
> making almost 70k a year and I am not the manager. In my opinion, CAD
> Managers should be paid by the hour. Its a salary position with all the
> benefits to go with it. There is too much resposibility to be being paid
by
> the hour. I dont work overtime....ever, and the only thing that is a drag
> is the commute but we get flextime so that can worked around. I worked in
> the arch/eng. field for awhile and I can tell you all that there is not
> money in it. I admit the high-tech field is a bit tenuous at the moment
but
> unless you own the company yourself you will never make any real money.
Take
> a shot do something different.
>
> "Aaron Hauler" wrote in message
> news:426BF53EC953275E6B79FA97C29684BE@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I agree with Scott. Sometimes the draw of more money in the big city
does
> > not pay off because of high cost of living and the stress of putting up
> with
> > all the people.
> >
> > My Situation is ideal for me. I work at a Design/Build firm in a very
> small
> > town (5000 people or so) in Ohio. We are approx. 1hr. east of Toledo &
> 1hr.
> > west of Cleveland. My firm employs about 35 office staff including 5
> > draftsman & 100 field employees. We are also an employee owned company.
> >
> > I currently make an hourly wage of $18.50. With the regular overtime I
> have
> > averaged the past five years, 500 hrs. or so, plus quarterly bonuses
that
> > equates to 65 - 70K per year.
> >
> > I live approx. 1 1/2 miles from work so travel expenses are nearly
> nothing.
> > My home is an average 3br two story worth around 125K. Property taxes
are
> > around $800 - $900 a year for my 1/2 acre.
> >
> > Conversly my wife has a freind that drives 1 1/2hrs to work each way to
a
> > large city. A normal week for her consists of 2hrs. per day at home not
> > sleeping. More money would not be worth that for me.
> >
>

[Anonymous]

> I'm really sorry that you feel $$$ is so important but there is a
> point where money is much less of an issue and the working environment/
> company is a bigger concern. How does the company treat it's employees?
What
> is the turnover rate? What types of projects can you become involved with
> working for this company? Do you like working with your coworkers? Do you
> enjoy developing your subordinates' skills and watching their careers
> develop? My bottom line is simple- more money is nice but if I hate going
to
> work, I hate the commute and my boss is a jackass, I'll take the job with
> less $$$ everytime.

I agree whole heartidly to all these points. I work for a great 'Employee
Owned' company with decent benefits. I enjoy working with or around 95% of
my current coworkers. Also the pay I make puts me on the above average scale
for like positions in my area. This alone gives me the sense of appriciation
from my bosses, but it is not the only reason I work here.

I can truely say that I enjoy my job and all the flexibility it gives me. If
I were payed less I would probably still be doing the same thing.

Money is nice, but it is not everything. I believe that if you can find a
job that you enjoy doing and get along with your coworkers and bosses, you
will be pretty happy. There have been at least three different instances in
our company where someone has left for the 'greener grass on the other side
of the fence' and returned less than 6 months later.

Just my opinions, of course.

[Anonymous]

I didnt intend to put forth the belief that I think money is more important
than environment but I see these posts all the time coming from people who
think they should get paid more than the average blue-collar worker because
of some title on their desk. Those guys picking up the trash in front of
your office/house work ten times harder than you or I ever do and should be
compensated for it. In my opinion, the only great job is the one you would
do without getting paid. its the only one that has any value....mine
included. Who cares how the company treats its employees? Look at it from
your employers point of view....you are a liability to him no matter how
good you are. Unless you have somehow found a way for CAD to be
income-generating for the company like sales would be then its just money
out of your employers pocket in the form of salary, insurance, etc.

"Aaron Hauler" wrote in message
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>
> > I'm really sorry that you feel $$$ is so important but there is a
> > point where money is much less of an issue and the working environment/
> > company is a bigger concern. How does the company treat it's employees?
> What
> > is the turnover rate? What types of projects can you become involved
with
> > working for this company? Do you like working with your coworkers? Do
you
> > enjoy developing your subordinates' skills and watching their careers
> > develop? My bottom line is simple- more money is nice but if I hate
going
> to
> > work, I hate the commute and my boss is a jackass, I'll take the job
with
> > less $$$ everytime.
>
> I agree whole heartidly to all these points. I work for a great 'Employee
> Owned' company with decent benefits. I enjoy working with or around 95% of
> my current coworkers. Also the pay I make puts me on the above average
scale
> for like positions in my area. This alone gives me the sense of
appriciation
> from my bosses, but it is not the only reason I work here.
>
> I can truely say that I enjoy my job and all the flexibility it gives me.
If
> I were payed less I would probably still be doing the same thing.
>
> Money is nice, but it is not everything. I believe that if you can find a
> job that you enjoy doing and get along with your coworkers and bosses, you
> will be pretty happy. There have been at least three different instances
in
> our company where someone has left for the 'greener grass on the other
side
> of the fence' and returned less than 6 months later.
>
> Just my opinions, of course.
>

[Anonymous]

Interesting amount of discussion created here. In response to those that thought money meant everything, wrong for me! I think the real issue is that the amount of education, image, committment, patience, experience, etc. compared to the other is quite out of balance as compared to the salary. I'm ok with my money and benefits, and I'm sure the other (profession) has drawbacks also, but I still can't find the justification of the years of school and discipline to get here compared to the other, then not getting the recognition this position desrves. It is a decision making, management, leadership position.
In response to the utilities, my electric bill is always over $100, phone always $65+ and the fastest I can log on to the internet is 24000! And yes, I have considered becoming a vikings resident at times, those are other stories, for now I have started a small but growing business, which is where I'll spend my efforts in the future, at www.automationdesign.com

[Anonymous]

> Who cares how the company treats its employees? Look at it from
> your employers point of view....you are a liability to him no matter how
> good you are. Unless you have somehow found a way for CAD to be
> income-generating for the company like sales would be then its just money
> out of your employers pocket in the form of salary, insurance, etc.

I don't understand what you are saying in these statements. CAD operators
produce a product that is built & sold to a customer. There is a process for
everything and we are a part of that process. I don't consider myself a
'necessary evil' and the impression I get from my bosses does not reflect
that either. If CAD was not income generating than we WOULDN'T get payed.
Think of this whole 'sales' thing as a TEAM effort. Believe me, they don't
keep me around because I look pretty.

[Anonymous]

Does your office have you all pedaling on stationary bikes to charge the
battery to run the server?
"Rudy Tovar" wrote in message
news:FBDE276D8D9D430612A0782B19F8FA54@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> It's true, cost of living can also be expensive.
>
> A single family residence can cost about, $300,000 to $500,000 in some
> areas.
>
> But you can still find reasonable priced home for about 225,000.
>
> Depending on down, the monthly mortgage can run about $1200.00
>
> Utilities about $100.00 Elec, $35.00 Gas, and $25.00 phone.
>
> Apartments run about the same in monthly payments. Except they pay for
Gas.
>
> So you're looking at about a savings of about $2,500.00 a month if you
can
> manage your income.
>
> Randy Richardson wrote in message
> news:F00C8DAF1F857A7C9B3D848C87662C30@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Before anyone takes Rudy's advice, check out real estate prices in
> > California.
> >
> > Rudy Tovar wrote in message ...
> > >You should move to California.
> > >
> > >CAD managers can earn from $50,000 to $80,000 a yr. in the right
company.
> >
>

[Anonymous]

--- Unless you have somehow found a way for CAD to be
income-generating for the company like sales would be then its just money
out of your employers pocket in the form of salary, insurance, etc.

That hurts. I am the cad manager for one of the largest builders
in the country and they treat sales people like gold and cad people
like ... dirt. (except me). The hard part about this is that the sales
people
work about half the time that I do and they can't even fill out a simple
contract . I usually have to go back and straighten everything out so the
thing can make it to permit. I do everything I can to keep their job as
simple as possible (stupid me) and they will say anything they have to
to make the sale and make my job more difficult and confusing every day.
If it weren't for people like me in the office they wouldn't be able to do
anything.
This is a generic statement about salespeople so not all are included
however
I have yet to meet one that was capable of doing anything other than
standing
around and talk to people. The houses sell themselves.

my 2c

Dave

[Anonymous]

If CAD did not generate income for a company, there would be no CAD
department.

Every employee is a salesman for the company. If you do a good job, sales
increases. If you don't, sales plummet.

BLM wrote in message ...
>...Look at it from
>your employers point of view....you are a liability to him no matter how
>good you are. Unless you have somehow found a way for CAD to be
>income-generating for the company like sales would be then its just money
>out of your employers pocket in the form of salary, insurance, etc.