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Anonymous
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bring on 2010

good morning everyone.

what a year it has been, we've all seen our share of layoffs, lost jobs, and no work. I'm curious to see if anyone out there is actually recovering....Here in Florida, we are not. Most of our work is in the elderly housing arena, we've managed to keep the firm afloat with these projects even though they are few in far between. Our reputation in this area has been a huge advantage for us. But there is still no commercial jobs that require Bank $$. The road sides are littered with half completed housing developments, and construction jobs that have been cancelled. Construction companies are dropping like flies along with many architectural firms... Everything we've done with exception of a couple residential projects has gone through HUD, and now HUD is so backed up it takes months to get HUD approvals.

How is everyone doing? what does it look like on the horizon for you and your company? where are you located?

Paul Caruthers
Bessolo Design Group
St. Pete, FL
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Message 101 of 123
ACADuser
in reply to: Anonymous

ha-ha-ha, the only change I voted for was McCain - lol


Edit: In retrospect, maybe I should have voted for joe the plumber. Edited by: ACADuser on Jan 8, 2010 7:07 PM
ACADuser
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Message 102 of 123
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

that place sucksaa.

"Ric Hammond" wrote in message news:6315120@discussion.autodesk.com...
t5.dynip.com from you're newsreader
Message 103 of 123
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

There is no t5 there...


Ric Hammond wrote:
> Those of you enjoying this thread should come on over to Take 5 (formerly
> part of the Autodesk discussion groups)
> A lot of familiar faces partake in non-work related banter
>
> t5.dynip.com from you're newsreader
>
> Enjoy.
>
>
>
> "Dale" wrote in message
> news:6315018@discussion.autodesk.com...
>> After a few record years we did go through a downturn. But all that meant
>> was less OT and smaller bonus checks. We deal in structural steel, and we
>> did have several customers that went under, but they were all one's that
>> had issue's with our billing department and other places. I've seen 2009
>> as more of a cleansing and a survival of the fittest then anything.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> wrote in message
>> news:6312270@discussion.autodesk.com...
>> good morning everyone.
>>
>> what a year it has been, we've all seen our share of layoffs, lost jobs,
>> and no work. I'm curious to see if anyone out there is actually
>> recovering....Here in Florida, we are not. Most of our work is in the
>> elderly housing arena, we've managed to keep the firm afloat with these
>> projects even though they are few in far between. Our reputation in this
>> area has been a huge advantage for us. But there is still no commercial
>> jobs that require Bank $$. The road sides are littered with half
>> completed housing developments, and construction jobs that have been
>> cancelled. Construction companies are dropping like flies along with many
>> architectural firms... Everything we've done with exception of a couple
>> residential projects has gone through HUD, and now HUD is so backed up it
>> takes months to get HUD approvals.
>>
>> How is everyone doing? what does it look like on the horizon for you and
>> your company? where are you located?
>>
>> Paul Caruthers
>> Bessolo Design Group
>> St. Pete, FL
>
Message 104 of 123
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

ignore the hairy guy behind the curtain.

stop in and say hello.

"Grizzly" wrote in message
news:6315191@discussion.autodesk.com...
> There is no t5 there...
>
>
> Ric Hammond wrote:
>> Those of you enjoying this thread should come on over to Take 5
>> (formerly
>> part of the Autodesk discussion groups)
>> A lot of familiar faces partake in non-work related banter
>>
>> t5.dynip.com from you're newsreader
>>
>> Enjoy.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dale" wrote in message
>> news:6315018@discussion.autodesk.com...
>>> After a few record years we did go through a downturn. But all that
>>> meant
>>> was less OT and smaller bonus checks. We deal in structural steel, and
>>> we
>>> did have several customers that went under, but they were all one's that
>>> had issue's with our billing department and other places. I've seen 2009
>>> as more of a cleansing and a survival of the fittest then anything.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> wrote in message
>>> news:6312270@discussion.autodesk.com...
>>> good morning everyone.
>>>
>>> what a year it has been, we've all seen our share of layoffs, lost jobs,
>>> and no work. I'm curious to see if anyone out there is actually
>>> recovering....Here in Florida, we are not. Most of our work is in the
>>> elderly housing arena, we've managed to keep the firm afloat with these
>>> projects even though they are few in far between. Our reputation in
>>> this
>>> area has been a huge advantage for us. But there is still no commercial
>>> jobs that require Bank $$. The road sides are littered with half
>>> completed housing developments, and construction jobs that have been
>>> cancelled. Construction companies are dropping like flies along with
>>> many
>>> architectural firms... Everything we've done with exception of a couple
>>> residential projects has gone through HUD, and now HUD is so backed up
>>> it
>>> takes months to get HUD approvals.
>>>
>>> How is everyone doing? what does it look like on the horizon for you
>>> and
>>> your company? where are you located?
>>>
>>> Paul Caruthers
>>> Bessolo Design Group
>>> St. Pete, FL
>>

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Message 105 of 123
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

CAD production worldwide falls to a new low.....

Bosses eveywhere are wondering why...



"Ric Hammond" wrote in message ...
Those of you enjoying this thread should come on over to Take 5 (formerly
part of the Autodesk discussion groups)
A lot of familiar faces partake in non-work related banter

t5.dynip.com from you're newsreader

Enjoy.
Message 106 of 123
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Ric Hammond wrote:
> ignore the hairy guy behind the curtain.
>
> stop in and say hello.

and don't forget to visit the saloon where the beer is cheap and the
insults are free...
Message 107 of 123
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

"K" wrote in message
news:6315255@discussion.autodesk.com...
Ric Hammond wrote:
> ignore the hairy guy behind the curtain.
>
> stop in and say hello.

and don't forget to visit the saloon where the beer is cheap and the
insults are free...

Correction: The insults are cheap *and* free
Message 108 of 123
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

numbnuts

--
TDP

First things first, but not necessarily in that order.

The Doctor
"Ric Hammond" wrote in message
news:6315120@discussion.autodesk.com...
Those of you enjoying this thread should come on over to Take 5 (formerly
part of the Autodesk discussion groups)
A lot of familiar faces partake in non-work related banter

t5.dynip.com from you're newsreader

Enjoy.



"Dale" wrote in message
news:6315018@discussion.autodesk.com...
> After a few record years we did go through a downturn. But all that meant
> was less OT and smaller bonus checks. We deal in structural steel, and we
> did have several customers that went under, but they were all one's that
> had issue's with our billing department and other places. I've seen 2009
> as more of a cleansing and a survival of the fittest then anything.
>
> Dale
>
> wrote in message
> news:6312270@discussion.autodesk.com...
> good morning everyone.
>
> what a year it has been, we've all seen our share of layoffs, lost jobs,
> and no work. I'm curious to see if anyone out there is actually
> recovering....Here in Florida, we are not. Most of our work is in the
> elderly housing arena, we've managed to keep the firm afloat with these
> projects even though they are few in far between. Our reputation in this
> area has been a huge advantage for us. But there is still no commercial
> jobs that require Bank $$. The road sides are littered with half
> completed housing developments, and construction jobs that have been
> cancelled. Construction companies are dropping like flies along with many
> architectural firms... Everything we've done with exception of a couple
> residential projects has gone through HUD, and now HUD is so backed up it
> takes months to get HUD approvals.
>
> How is everyone doing? what does it look like on the horizon for you and
> your company? where are you located?
>
> Paul Caruthers
> Bessolo Design Group
> St. Pete, FL

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This unit is not labeled for retail sale
Message 109 of 123
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

He musta voted for 'bama - needs change for the sake of change, no matter
what the cost.


"K" wrote in message
news:6315255@discussion.autodesk.com...
Ric Hammond wrote:
> ignore the hairy guy behind the curtain.
>
> stop in and say hello.

and don't forget to visit the saloon where the beer is cheap and the
insults are free...
Message 110 of 123
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Hey, didn't 'bama just win the football championship?


"Dave Drahn" wrote in message
news:6315989@discussion.autodesk.com...
He musta voted for 'bama - needs change for the sake of change, no matter
what the cost.


"K" wrote in message
news:6315255@discussion.autodesk.com...
Ric Hammond wrote:
> ignore the hairy guy behind the curtain.
>
> stop in and say hello.

and don't forget to visit the saloon where the beer is cheap and the
insults are free...
Message 111 of 123
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Gawd, that guy does it all, doesn't he?



"Doug Bowers" wrote in message
news:6315995@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hey, didn't 'bama just win the football championship?


"Dave Drahn" wrote in message
news:6315989@discussion.autodesk.com...
He musta voted for 'bama - needs change for the sake of change, no matter
what the cost.


"K" wrote in message
news:6315255@discussion.autodesk.com...
Ric Hammond wrote:
> ignore the hairy guy behind the curtain.
>
> stop in and say hello.

and don't forget to visit the saloon where the beer is cheap and the
insults are free...
Message 112 of 123
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

no... but he got the trophy for thinking about the game...





Thus said Doug Bowers:
> Hey, didn't 'bama just win the football championship?
>
>
> "Dave Drahn" wrote in message
> news:6315989@discussion.autodesk.com...
> He musta voted for 'bama - needs change for the sake of change, no
> matter what the cost.
>
>
> "K" wrote in message
> news:6315255@discussion.autodesk.com...
> Ric Hammond wrote:
>> ignore the hairy guy behind the curtain.
>>
>> stop in and say hello.
>
> and don't forget to visit the saloon where the beer is cheap and the
> insults are free...
Message 113 of 123
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

"Archy" wrote in message
news:6316110@discussion.autodesk.com...
no... but he got the trophy for thinking about the game...


I heard they offered it to him, but he turned it down because he didn't want
to look ridiculous.....
Message 114 of 123
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

to late for that



*Walt Jaquith* said the following:
> "Archy" wrote in message
> news:6316110@discussion.autodesk.com...
> no... but he got the trophy for thinking about the game...
>
>
> I heard they offered it to him, but he turned it down because he
> didn't want to look ridiculous.....
Message 115 of 123
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

give it time...


"Walt Jaquith" wrote in message
news:6312608@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've felt for you folks in civil/architectural. It's been rough enough in
mechanical, but not like you guys have seen. I was freelancing and doing
fine; now I'm drawing a salary. I'm blessed to be working at all, of
course, but was doubly fortunate to get on with a green energy company
that's stable and moving forward.

As bad as this has been, I have to chuckle when the innelekshuals compare it
to the Great Depression. I'm old enough to have talked to a few people who
lived through that time, and this isn't anything close to what they
described. I remember the man who told me about when he was a kid and his
mom got hold of a crate of apricots. She canned them without sugar becasue
there wasn't any, and that's what they ate for every meal one winter because
that's all there was. Now? Well, we've had a couple living with us because
he couldn't find work. Has it been a daily party? No, but we're fed,
clothed, sheltered from the weather, and there's hope.

Bring on 2010 indeed.

Cheers,
Walt
Message 116 of 123
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

1) The Great Depression didn't start overnight and the stock market
crash was only part of it. Even after the big one day crash (Black
Tuesday) that we all hear about, people still were investing and the
market went up and down for a while but finally left many people broke.
There was a drought simultaneously that combined with ignorant farming
practices based on knowledge of the time caused the Great Dust Bowl.
Where we will end up now is far from certain.

2) Hoover (a Republican) stood back and did nothing to stop the
progression into the Depression since pure Capitalism was believed to be
able to save the day, and government interference was taboo. By the time
that Roosevelt came to office the Depression was going full steam. Many
of his measures were opposed by the other party as being too Socialist.
Sound familiar?

3) We currently have a Socio-economic safety net in the form of
unemployment insurance, welfare, social security, medicare etc that
softens the blow, but every one of them was originally opposed as being
a step towards Socialism, and to this day many politicians advocate
their abolition or privatization. How long ago did we hear about
privatizing Social Security by allowing our SSI deductions to be
invested in the stock market instead of going into the SSI Trust Fund.
How many people would have lost their Social Security in the various
corporate bankruptcies of the last few years?

There was a saying "everything in moderation" and it applies to
economics and politics as much as to food, drinking etc. Pure Capitalism
is as bad as pure Socialism. A middle ground works best. Unfortunately
too many politicians don't really care about what works but just go by
slogans that sound good at election time. In my neighborhood there is a
sign up by a candidate for the Congress (a vacated seat by a retiring
democratic congressman in a district that is predominantly Democratic)
saying that the candidate is a Ronald Reagan conservative. Ronald Reagan
would not pass muster in the current Republican party. Imagine Nixon or
Goldwater trying to get nominated by today's party

Jim wrote:
> give it time...
>
>
> "Walt Jaquith" wrote in message
> news:6312608@discussion.autodesk.com...
> I've felt for you folks in civil/architectural. It's been rough enough in
> mechanical, but not like you guys have seen. I was freelancing and doing
> fine; now I'm drawing a salary. I'm blessed to be working at all, of
> course, but was doubly fortunate to get on with a green energy company
> that's stable and moving forward.
>
> As bad as this has been, I have to chuckle when the innelekshuals compare it
> to the Great Depression. I'm old enough to have talked to a few people who
> lived through that time, and this isn't anything close to what they
> described. I remember the man who told me about when he was a kid and his
> mom got hold of a crate of apricots. She canned them without sugar becasue
> there wasn't any, and that's what they ate for every meal one winter because
> that's all there was. Now? Well, we've had a couple living with us because
> he couldn't find work. Has it been a daily party? No, but we're fed,
> clothed, sheltered from the weather, and there's hope.
>
> Bring on 2010 indeed.
>
> Cheers,
> Walt
Message 117 of 123
AllenJessup
in reply to: Anonymous

While I agree with you're middle ground philosophy. I have to chuckle at the thought that the SSI monies are in better hands with the government that privately invested. It's the same thing. There was a lot of talk for a while about the Social Security Lock-Box. Have you ever seen it? It's literally a file cabinet with a combination lock, exactly the same as in my office, that is full of Treasury Bonds. Most of those are held by the Chinese. So if the global economy is bust and China calls the bonds early. Where is the Security in that?
I, like many people, saw my retirement fund take a big hit. But it's coming back now. To me it's six to one and a half dozen to the other.!
Allen

Allen Jessup
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Message 118 of 123
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

The Social Security Lockbox was an analogy only. The idea was that the
government should not be using our Social Security money for other
government expenses, such as waging wars, paying corporate welfare,
paying down the deficit etc. Those should be paid from other revenues so
that we don't end up bankrupting a program that works. Technically, one
needs to remember the word insurance. How insurance works is you share
the risk based on statistical probabilities. If I live 10 years past the
average I receive more than the guy who lives the average but I am
balanced out by the person who lives 9 years less than average (time
value of money $900 today vs $1000 ten years from now.) The problem with
private investment is that if I had invested my money in the surefire
stocks like Enron which then lose all their value (which happened to a
late dear friend of mine,) I have no money and have to go on the dole.

The question is not whether I MIGHT have made more money by managing it
myself, it is whether the money is safer with the government. The
government is not useless. I know it is a popular myth to say that they
do nothing right, but in fact they do a lot well.

If you look at lottery winners, almost without exception they take the
lump sum payout, yet if you look at them 5 years later, the vast
majority are less well off than if they had left the money in the
government's hands and took the payments promised them. After all, the
graduated payout is an annuity with a government guarantee at a fairly
competitive rate (to inflate the prize for advertising.)

As for the Chinese calling the debt: Remember that the debt is in U.S.
dollars, not gold or some outside currency. If they call the bonds they
suffer with the rest of us as the government makes good by inflating the
dollar.

The current conservative thinking says to buy gold (thanx Glenn Beck.)
Approximately 40 years ago there was a big run on silver and gold. The
people who jumped on that bandwagon almost universally lost their shirts
(especially the Hunt brothers who tried to corner the silver market.) In
fact the final price of those metals at the end of that cycle was LOWER
than the values before the stampede.


AllenJessup wrote:
> While I agree with you're middle ground philosophy. I have to chuckle at
> the thought that the SSI monies are in better hands with the government
> that privately invested. It's the same thing. There was a lot of talk
> for a while about the Social Security Lock-Box. Have you ever seen it?
> It's literally a file cabinet with a combination lock, exactly the same
> as in my office, that is full of Treasury Bonds. Most of those are held
> by the Chinese. So if the global economy is bust and China calls the
> bonds early. Where is the Security in that?
> I, like many people, saw my retirement fund take a big hit. But it's
> coming back now. To me it's six to one and a half dozen to the other.!
> Allen
>
Message 119 of 123
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Good writing.

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http://LTisACAD.blogspot.com
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Message 120 of 123
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Thank you.

Dean Saadallah wrote:
> Good writing.
>

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