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Message 1 of 13
stacepaetzel
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Backups

General question...
How does everyone backup their pc, and autocad drawings? I have been zipping and burning onto a direct cd (drag & drop cdrw), but it's time consuming (we are a very small office) I also feel the cd's aren't very reliable. I've had 2 disks "go bad" I have no idea why... I'll use them for months, doing the exact same thing, then suddenly they have "unrecoverable errors" I'm also wondering if anyone has had trouble when adding label (stickers) to their cd's.
Thanks in advance for any advice!
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Message 2 of 13
Anonymous
in reply to: stacepaetzel

As you've discovered, CD-RW discs do *not* have unlimited life. We use them
very successfully, however, and just put them on a replacement schedule.
Using them "for months" indiscriminately is just not a bood idea. Depending
on how often you back up (we do incrementals every night), 90 days should be
a fairly safe replacement cycle.

And there's no need to manually drag and drop anything. Just get a good
backup program that's compatible with "write to file" and use the Windows
Scheduler to do your backups after hours. We've used CD-RW discs, DirectCD,
and Veritas Backup for several years now, and have never lost a file.
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"stacepaetzel" wrote in message
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> General question...
> How does everyone backup their pc, and autocad drawings? I have been
zipping and burning onto a direct cd (drag & drop cdrw), but it's time
consuming (we are a very small office) I also feel the cd's aren't very
reliable. I've had 2 disks "go bad" I have no idea why... I'll use them for
months, doing the exact same thing, then suddenly they have "unrecoverable
errors" I'm also wondering if anyone has had trouble when adding label
(stickers) to their cd's.
> Thanks in advance for any advice!
Message 3 of 13
Anonymous
in reply to: stacepaetzel

That's "...not a good idea..."
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"Paul Turvill" wrote in message
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> ... not a bood idea. ...
Message 4 of 13
Anonymous
in reply to: stacepaetzel

All files are located on the server(s) and nightly tape backups are
preformed, with off site storage.

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Message 5 of 13
Anonymous
in reply to: stacepaetzel

Do you have a central file server? If not, best to get one, makes backing up
easiest.
With the server, tape backup for daily automated backups: all you do is
change the tape daily or staggered backups, plus a weekly one on Friday.
http://www.quantum.com/AM/default.htm

If you are not centralized, Maxtor has a solution: it's an external driver
that is a single button push only to backup, 120MB capacity I believe. Get
one for every PC (or the central files PC you use), and tap the button as
you walk out the door every day.

Don't have a central file server? Get one of those NAS drives on your
network, and add backup to it. http://www.snapappliance.com

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Message 6 of 13
Anonymous
in reply to: stacepaetzel

we do daily tape backups (afer hours of course) and once a job has been inactive
for a few months it gets archived to cd - one copy is left in the office and
another goes to a safe deposit box. we have never had a problem recovering
files from the archive cd's



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Message 7 of 13
Anonymous
in reply to: stacepaetzel

Tape. On a schedule. On a server. With a slow
machine at night.  You don't need speed, power or hands-on attendance..
keep you good machines on your desk, put a tape backup in a closet. Don't forget
to change tapes.

 

If you can't stand the wait for retrieving a lost
file.. look into a RAID (multi-harddrive system). That's not so expensive
anymore, either.

 


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General
question...
How does everyone backup their pc, and autocad drawings? I
have been zipping and burning onto a direct cd (drag & drop cdrw), but
it's time consuming (we are a very small office) I also feel the cd's aren't
very reliable. I've had 2 disks "go bad" I have no idea why... I'll use them
for months, doing the exact same thing, then suddenly they have "unrecoverable
errors" I'm also wondering if anyone has had trouble when adding label
(stickers) to their cd's.
Thanks in advance for any
advice!
Message 8 of 13
Anonymous
in reply to: stacepaetzel

We us removable harddrives.  I backup all data
daily.  10GB takes about 10 minutes.  We too are a small firm and were
fed up with tape drives, so this was the next affordable option.  We got
three 40GB 7200rpm drives with removable racks for the price of a low end tape
drive with tapes.


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General
question...
How does everyone backup their pc, and autocad drawings? I
have been zipping and burning onto a direct cd (drag & drop cdrw), but
it's time consuming (we are a very small office) I also feel the cd's aren't
very reliable. I've had 2 disks "go bad" I have no idea why... I'll use them
for months, doing the exact same thing, then suddenly they have "unrecoverable
errors" I'm also wondering if anyone has had trouble when adding label
(stickers) to their cd's.
Thanks in advance for any
advice!
Message 9 of 13
Anonymous
in reply to: stacepaetzel

Our server here is Mac server and takes care of our graphics people with
nightly tape backups using Retrospect software. Our PC's are on a
peer-to-peer network. One of them is a "dumb" station with nothing more
than a slimmed down Windows 98 installation and tape backup software backup
software. We also back up the PC's every night to a single tape.

We only back up the working files, not the OS and programs. Every night,
yesterdays tapes go off site. We also archive to CD after months of
inactivity. Might be a "wives-tale" but we burn two copies of the archives
using the slowest burn speed possible. Supposedly burns deeper, ergo CD's
last longer. (Matt S. proabably knows the truth about that...) One set
goes home to the bosses fire safe, one stays on-site.

At home, I use NTI Backup to cross-backup across two PC's (files from one go
to the other). When I get panicky - I burn critical files to CD (about
every 2-3 months).


"stacepaetzel" wrote in message
news:f13ab80.-1@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> General question...
> How does everyone backup their pc, and autocad drawings? I have been
zipping and burning onto a direct cd (drag & drop cdrw), but it's time
consuming (we are a very small office) I also feel the cd's aren't very
reliable. I've had 2 disks "go bad" I have no idea why... I'll use them for
months, doing the exact same thing, then suddenly they have "unrecoverable
errors" I'm also wondering if anyone has had trouble when adding label
(stickers) to their cd's.
> Thanks in advance for any advice!
Message 10 of 13
Anonymous
in reply to: stacepaetzel

Just curious, since the subject came up:
How often does your office backup?
How many different ways are the backups done?

In our office we have:
Server with mirrored drives - two copies constantly updated on main server-
Alternate server with nightly backups
Monthly CD's to be removed from office

Our last major crash wasn't a big problem - cumbersome but all work was
recoverable - except for the accounting side (We have since updated so THAT
will not happen again).

I'm just trying to keep up on alternate ways and ideas to set our office up.
Message 11 of 13
Anonymous
in reply to: stacepaetzel

Matt,

When it comes to the integrity and safeguarding of corporate data,
almost no price is too high. Luckily, cost effective means of backing
up gigabytes of volume, as well as ensuring continutity in normal
business operations, is well within the budget of every organization.

We use a three-pronged approach, which has served us VERY well over
the past five years:

1. Implement data redundancy at the server level, i.e. investing in a
hot-swappable RAID 1, RAID 10 or RAID 5 array using high quality SCSI
disks. This does a couple of things:

(a) Increases hard disk subsystem performance for all users (esp.
w/RAID 10)

(b) Provides online fault tolerance in case a disk dies, meaning that
we can replace a disk without bringing down the server at all

As a side story, two years ago I went on vacation to the Virgin
Islands. When we checked into the hotel, I had a message from the
office to call them. Turns out the night we left there was a bad
thunderstorm, which knocked out the power, which also caused a disk to
malfunction (it did not come back online). I knew it wasn't going to
cause downtime, so I had one of my cow orkers order a new drive, and
they installed it and it rebuilt the array while they could work. The
only real problem was the beeping RAID card, which was annoying and
easy to fix.

2. Invest in a high quality, high capacity tape drive. We run full
backups each and every night to a 200-40GB DAT drive; although DLT
drives have pretty much become a better option. The previous night's
backup is taken home with me, which provides full offsite warehousing
in case the building burns down. We also invested in a fireproof safe
for the tapes themselves.

We run full backups each night simply because it's much easier to
restore the files. Running differential or incremental backups saves
tape space, but it can become more problematic to keep track of all
the tapes.

3. Use multiple servers. We took an aging dual P-II 400 and made it a
backup Win2K server. It serves as a Domain Controller, DNS server,
print server, and performs some other functions of the "main" Domain
Controller. I added in some large, cheap IDE drives in a mirrored
configuration (using Win2K software RAID 1) and so I can run a
separate backup to that server every night as well.

This allows me to have an online backup for quick restores, which is
infinitely faster than retrieving it by tape. Being automatic and
always online, I don't have to really worry if, for some reason, I'm
not in and the tape doesn't get changed.

Having the second server be a Domain Controller also means that, from
an IT standpoint, my main Domain Controller's data and functionality
is backed up through Win2K replication automatically. This means that
if my primary Domain Controller machine (which is our main file
server) goes down, people can still log on, retrieve email, and even
work off of the backup data if required. I can then sync the data when
the main DC comes back online.

I recently had my file server doing hiccups due to an aging
motherboard/RAID controller issue, and having that backup server
available saved us at least three day's worth of work, since I was
rebooting the main DC many times trying to analyze the problem.

It's not about just backing up drawing files anymore; you have to
strategize on what else is a problem when your file server goes down.

Matt
mstachoni@comcast.net
mstachoni@bhhtait.com



On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:45:11 -0700, "Matt Vozzella"
wrote:

>Just curious, since the subject came up:
>How often does your office backup?
>How many different ways are the backups done?
>
>In our office we have:
>Server with mirrored drives - two copies constantly updated on main server-
>Alternate server with nightly backups
>Monthly CD's to be removed from office
>
>Our last major crash wasn't a big problem - cumbersome but all work was
>recoverable - except for the accounting side (We have since updated so THAT
>will not happen again).
>
>I'm just trying to keep up on alternate ways and ideas to set our office up.
>
Message 12 of 13
Anonymous
in reply to: stacepaetzel

Here, here! Been there, experienced that, would've been in deep without all
the redundancy.

Stef

Matt Stachoni wrote on Saturday 30 August 2003 03:08 pm:
[snip]
> It's not about just backing up drawing files anymore; you have to
> strategize on what else is a problem when your file server goes down.


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Message 13 of 13
Anonymous
in reply to: stacepaetzel

We do a full backup every night, and the most recent weekly, and monthly
tapes are taken off site.
In addition, we use AM Meridian to manage our drawings.
It keeps copies of old revisions, and makes a back up of a drawing every
time it is checked out for editing.

We have around 26,000 CAD drawings.


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> Here, here! Been there, experienced that, would've been in deep without
all
> the redundancy.
>
> Stef
>
> Matt Stachoni wrote on Saturday 30 August 2003 03:08 pm:
> [snip]
> > It's not about just backing up drawing files anymore; you have to
> > strategize on what else is a problem when your file server goes down.
>
>
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