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*Tim Riley
Message 11 of 56 (421 Views)

Re: Autodesk for Linux

09-15-2005 06:43 AM in reply to: Alian
I'm not saying they must be run on Linux, but they're available for Linux.
The reason most people want to switch to Linux is to get away from windows
not because they need to run it. However one key program I can think of that
doesn't have a windows port is Evolution[1] .

[1] http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/

~Tim Riley

"R.K. McSwain" wrote in message
news:4957106@discussion.autodesk.com...

I'm as big of a Windows basher as anyone, but I'm trying to figure out what
these "95%" programs are that must be run on Linux that do not have Windows
versions.

Maybe they just need 2 networked PC's, with a KVM switch
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/K/KVM_switch.html


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*Tim Riley
Message 12 of 56 (421 Views)

Re: Autodesk for Linux

09-15-2005 07:05 AM in reply to: Alian
But you see he doesn't want to run a CAD program *designed* for Linux, he
wants to run AutoCAD on Linux. I'm assuming the reason for this is because
he has quite a bit of money invested in the DWG format. Another reason might
be the fact that most CAD programs *designed* for Linux don't even come
close to AutoCAD when it comes to features.

It was a harmless question and I don't see anything in that post that would
warrant a response like the one you gave.

Tim Riley

"Terry W. Dotson" wrote in message
news:4956784@discussion.autodesk.com...
Tim Riley wrote:

> What if 95% of the applications they want to run are available for
> Linux but there is one key application that only runs on windows?

Then they run Linux and find a CAD problem *designed* for it.

Terry
*Terry W. Dotson
Message 13 of 56 (421 Views)

Re: Autodesk for Linux

09-15-2005 08:44 AM in reply to: Alian
Tim Riley wrote:

> It was a harmless question and I don't see anything in that post that
> would warrant a response like the one you gave.

I just get sick of the asking and whining from Mac/Linux people wanting
to run AutoCAD. I buy Intel/Windows and Windows Apps and I DONT go to
MAC/LINUX groups whining about not being able to run a Mac/Linux app
that wasn't designed for my Windows.

So buy what you need to do the work, because you *need* it, not because
you hate Gates/Windows.

Terry
*TomD
Message 14 of 56 (421 Views)

Re: Autodesk for Linux

09-15-2005 09:32 AM in reply to: Alian
There was no whining from the OP...........just a question.

"Terry W. Dotson" wrote in message
news:4957403@discussion.autodesk.com...

I just get sick of the asking and whining from Mac/Linux people wanting
to run AutoCAD. I buy Intel/Windows and Windows Apps and I DONT go to
MAC/LINUX groups whining about not being able to run a Mac/Linux app
that wasn't designed for my Windows.
*Jeffrey McGrew
Message 15 of 56 (421 Views)

Re: Autodesk for Linux

09-15-2005 09:33 AM in reply to: Alian
Tim Riley wrote:
> I'm not saying they must be run on Linux, but they're available for Linux.
> The reason most people want to switch to Linux is to get away from windows
> not because they need to run it. However one key program I can think of that
> doesn't have a windows port is Evolution[1] .

Tim, you can run Evolution on Windows using Cygwin, for what it's worth.

That's how I run lots of Unix-only things, like Radiance for example.

And it's not 'wining' or some 'hatred of bill gates' going on here,
that's a *very* shortsighted view to me.

It's more like this:
I run a business that delvers food to people (I do Architecture). I
could really use any ol' car to do this, but sometimes that food is
Pizza (DWG files), and sad for me there's only one company that makes a
decent Pizza oven for a car (Autodesk). And, doubly sad for me, they
only make it for a crappy Ford 1970's Station Wagon (Windows). Now, if
it weren't for that, I could instead drive the nice new hybrid cars that
get much better gas mileage and are way safer and more comfortable
(Macs) or I could drive some hippy bio-deseil industrial-strength truck
and make my own gas even (Linux). But, because of these stupid Pizzas,
and the stupid company that makes the Pizza ovens, I either have to buy
two cars, or just drive the station wagon, even tho for most of what I
do the station wagon doesn't help me, and sometimes even hurts me. And
it certainly doesn't help my business to not have Pizza on the menu, but
it certainly does hurt my business to keep feeding and fixing this
stupid old station wagon.

For what it's worth.

I use all three, Macs, Windows, Linux; each for something different, but
damn would I love to not have to drive this horrid station wagon around
anymore... ;-)

Jeffrey
*Terry W. Dotson
Message 16 of 56 (421 Views)

Re: Autodesk for Linux

09-15-2005 12:30 PM in reply to: Alian
TomD wrote:

> There was no whining from the OP...........just a question.

Correct for this case, but many in the past have.

Terry
*Alex Bicalho - Autodesk
Message 17 of 56 (421 Views)

Re: Autodesk for Linux

09-15-2005 02:03 PM in reply to: Alian
There's Radiance for Windows and it runs without problems.

-Alexander

"Jeffrey McGrew" wrote in message
news:4957525@discussion.autodesk.com...
Tim, you can run Evolution on Windows using Cygwin, for what it's worth.

That's how I run lots of Unix-only things, like Radiance for example.
*Jeffrey McGrew
Message 18 of 56 (421 Views)

Re: Autodesk for Linux

09-15-2005 02:26 PM in reply to: Alian
Alex Bicalho - Autodesk wrote:
> There's Radiance for Windows and it runs without problems.

Yes and no. There's 'Desktop Radiance', it only works with AutoCAD 2000
or so, it's five versions out of date, and, well, was missing some stuff
anyways in the first place. And it's less stable in my experance. So
yes, there is Radiance for Windows, but no, it's not 'without problems'.

Unless you mean Rayfront or the 3D Studio plug-in, which yes, are
commercial versions of Radiance under Windows. I haven't used either of
these other than demo versions, so I really can't speak to their
capabilities.

I run Radiance under Cygwin so that I can use in on Windows (with the
latest version, with all the features). However, it doesn't run
full-speed under Cygwin, hence my running it as well under Linux and OS
X. It's pretty stable, other than an issue with very large models
causing problems with octree generation in my experance (which isn't an
issue when running under Linux/OS X). Well, that and there isn't any
easy way at all for me to get a Revit model into Radiance format, other
than to bring it into AutoCAD first and then re-export it as a 3DS or
try to use a very out of date lisp routine. Me and the other
three guys who use Revit and Radiance will rejoice when we can go
directly from Revit to Radiance
;-)

Now, if all you're doing is basic lighting analysis, you could probably
get by with just Desktop Radiance. Maybe. Depends on what you're doing.

Then there's also the fact that there are several things I can do with
this setup that I can't do easy/for free under windows, like X11
forwarding over SSH so I can use Radiance from anywhere I like and such...

But it's all moot, since nobody uses Radiance much for rendering work
(the majority just use it for analysis). Just pointing out that things,
as always, are more complex when you look closely at them, and to say
that just because there are versions of something that can also run on
Windows it doesn't mean that it's really the best, or even sometimes a
workable, solution....

don't mean to be offensive, just informative.

Jeffrey
*Dean Saadallah
Message 19 of 56 (421 Views)

Re: Autodesk for Linux

09-15-2005 06:01 PM in reply to: Alian
Sorry, but your wish for the near future is not an option. I think Mac OS
might happen before Linux.

You needed to pre-plan for your needs better before cutting off Windows/Mac
environments. Dual boot or multiple PCs are it my friend. Good luck.

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Dean Saadallah
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Alian
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Registered: ‎09-13-2005
Message 20 of 56 (421 Views)

Re: Autodesk for Linux

09-16-2005 07:22 AM in reply to: Alian
Thanks to everybody.
to Terry:
No hard feelings.
We are running a number of AutoCAD and Inventor stations on XP.
Qt came from my management and system administrator.
Linux and applications run on (or under) it offer some savings and work better on server.
Anyway I think "No Choice" is not the best way...
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