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Message 91 of 101 (354 Views)

Re: 2D Autocad vs AutoCAD 2007

04-03-2006 06:18 PM in reply to: *David Allen
Randy,
How do you get your layout dimensions to update when you change your model?
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Message 92 of 101 (354 Views)

Re: 2D Autocad vs AutoCAD 2007

04-04-2006 05:54 AM in reply to: *David Allen
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*Sean Dotson
Message 93 of 101 (354 Views)

Re: 2D Autocad vs AutoCAD 2007

04-05-2006 10:00 AM in reply to: *David Allen
>Then you need to spend more time with AutoCAD.

Why would I trade in my care for a horse and buggy :smileywink:

--
Sean Dotson, PE
UF Gators - National Champions!!!
RND Automation & Engineering
www.RNDautomation.com
www.mcadforums.com


.
*James Maeding
Message 94 of 101 (354 Views)

Re: 2D Autocad vs AutoCAD 2007

04-25-2006 09:11 AM in reply to: *David Allen
Dave, just saw this thread.

Its funny because Microstation has the 2d file concept going.
Having dealt with it, I didn't like it.
Keep in mind, in the game of Monopoly, you land on Boardwalk, and the owner wants full rent.
There is no business reason for Adesk to do what you ask. People that need lisp are too happy to pay what we do. I am
amazed they dont raise prices more.

Rather than have a lesser product available, I would prefer a checklist of features I could enable/disable.
The overhead should follow what I have checked.
If I dont want sheet set manager, I can uncheck it.
It would be per profile.
The goal would be:
1) make acad start and run faster
2) ability to strip down acad to troubleshoot things
3) increase acad stability by cutting out things we dont use.

I know we can do this some right now, by removing arx and other files, but its dangerous and confusing.
I could sure go for a "feature" dialog somewhere that had a list I could check and uncheck, and it would actually cut
out the features from loading, not just disable them.



David Allen
|>After reviewing all the great new 3D features of 2007 I really have to say
|>who cares.
|>If I want to do 3D design I'm going to use inventor or revit.
|>But really I'm thinking how can we get a 2D only AutoCAD?
|>I wish some company would come out with a 2D only clone of AutoCAD
|>and sell it for less. Hey autodesk could do it and just concentrate on the
|>2D
|>features. I'm sure a 2D only AutoCAD would run faster then the current
|>bloatware.
|>My company pays alot of money each year to Autodesk and for that money
|>Autodesk
|>is giving us 3D features that we will never use. Maybe 1% of my company
|>will use any of the 3D
|>features of AutoCAD. That 1% probably would be better off using Revit
|>anyways.
|>
|>I want a 2D only AutoCAD.
|>We already have 3D CAD software, how about a 2D CAD software for less money
|>and better features!
|>
|>Am I alone in this opinion?
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
*James Maeding
Message 95 of 101 (354 Views)

Re: 2D Autocad vs AutoCAD 2007

04-25-2006 09:44 AM in reply to: *David Allen
what the heck, my NG reader (Agent) shows this thread just got cut by 30 messages.
It was 50, now like 10.
Is this right or is my reader whacking out?

Rodney McManamy - CADzation
|>Here's 5 reasons why.
|>
|>1.) The 3D stuff in the base AutoCAD is basically free because they need all
|>of the technology for the vertical products anyways.
|>
|>2.) There are very good marketing reasons for it like giving users who have
|>not done 3D enough ability to toy with it without leaving and going to the
|>competition to learn 3D. For every customer that doesn't jump ship it means
|>more potential revenu. I don't think any 2D customers are going to jump
|>ship because AutoCAD doesn't have or add a feature that the competition
|>does. 2D users are likely to leave only because of price.
|>
|>3.) Inventor and other types of Parametic Modeling are not always the best
|>solution for 3D either. For the vibrating conveyors I used to design I
|>could take base AutoCAD and some customization and design far faster than
|>any other system out there. The cost of the customization could easily be
|>justified by the time savings for the rest of the employes
|>
|>4.) In some industries the final design is still going to have to be 2D
|>drawings for the shop. Base AutoCAD gives you the best balance between 3D
|>and 2D.
|>
|>5.) I bet only 25% of the AutoCAD users would use any new feature anyways.
|>Fields and Dynamic Blocks have a ton of potential but I bet very few users
|>actually know how to use them. We still deal with people who don't know
|>what a titleblock attribute is or that there are drawing properties that can
|>be viewed from Explorer.
|>
|>--
|>Rodney McManamy
|>President
|>CADzation
|>-------------------------
|>rmcmanamy@cadzation.com
|>-------------------------
|>518 South Route 31 Suite 200
|>McHenry, IL 60050
|>http://www.cadzation.com
|>Providing Industrial Strength
|>PDF & DWF Solutions to the
|>Global CAD Marketplace.
|>
|>"Jim Shipley" wrote in message
|>news:5121067@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>I agree completely, when I first heard about the 3D features in ACAD2007, I
|>was like "What???", why would they invest in 3D in ACAD? Use Inventor for
|>Pete's sake. Get the 3D stuff out and concentrate on other things.
|>
|>
|>"David Allen" wrote in message
|>news:5108310@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>After reviewing all the great new 3D features of 2007 I really have to say
|>who cares.
|>If I want to do 3D design I'm going to use inventor or revit.
|>But really I'm thinking how can we get a 2D only AutoCAD?
|>I wish some company would come out with a 2D only clone of AutoCAD
|>and sell it for less. Hey autodesk could do it and just concentrate on the
|>2D
|>features. I'm sure a 2D only AutoCAD would run faster then the current
|>bloatware.
|>My company pays alot of money each year to Autodesk and for that money
|>Autodesk
|>is giving us 3D features that we will never use. Maybe 1% of my company
|>will use any of the 3D
|>features of AutoCAD. That 1% probably would be better off using Revit
|>anyways.
|>
|>I want a 2D only AutoCAD.
|>We already have 3D CAD software, how about a 2D CAD software for less money
|>and better features!
|>
|>Am I alone in this opinion?
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
*Murph
Message 96 of 101 (354 Views)

Re: 2D Autocad vs AutoCAD 2007

04-25-2006 09:50 AM in reply to: *David Allen
50-30 =10 ?

Mothership might of cleaned house or something. I still show more than 10
messages.

Murph--
http://mappingitout.blogspot.com/
"James Maeding" wrote in message
news:5153818@discussion.autodesk.com...
what the heck, my NG reader (Agent) shows this thread just got cut by 30
messages.
It was 50, now like 10.
Is this right or is my reader whacking out?
*Craig Black
Message 97 of 101 (354 Views)

Re: 2D Autocad vs AutoCAD 2007

04-25-2006 09:56 AM in reply to: *David Allen
yep, I was doing the math too... :smileyhappy:

And who cares? It is a meaningless rant anywho...

--
Craig
_______________
Dreamers don't have strategic grill locations...


"Murph" wrote in message
news:5153835@discussion.autodesk.com...
50-30 =10 ?

Mothership might of cleaned house or something. I still show more than 10
messages.

Murph--
http://mappingitout.blogspot.com/
"James Maeding" wrote in message
news:5153818@discussion.autodesk.com...
what the heck, my NG reader (Agent) shows this thread just got cut by 30
messages.
It was 50, now like 10.
Is this right or is my reader whacking out?
*David Allen
Message 98 of 101 (354 Views)

Re: 2D Autocad vs AutoCAD 2007

04-25-2006 10:03 AM in reply to: *David Allen
I agreed in that it would be nice if you could turn off features that you
don't want to use to make acad more stable / fast

--
Dave

"James Maeding" wrote in message
news:5153748@discussion.autodesk.com...
Dave, just saw this thread.

Its funny because Microstation has the 2d file concept going.
Having dealt with it, I didn't like it.
Keep in mind, in the game of Monopoly, you land on Boardwalk, and the owner
wants full rent.
There is no business reason for Adesk to do what you ask. People that need
lisp are too happy to pay what we do. I am
amazed they dont raise prices more.

Rather than have a lesser product available, I would prefer a checklist of
features I could enable/disable.
The overhead should follow what I have checked.
If I dont want sheet set manager, I can uncheck it.
It would be per profile.
The goal would be:
1) make acad start and run faster
2) ability to strip down acad to troubleshoot things
3) increase acad stability by cutting out things we dont use.

I know we can do this some right now, by removing arx and other files, but
its dangerous and confusing.
I could sure go for a "feature" dialog somewhere that had a list I could
check and uncheck, and it would actually cut
out the features from loading, not just disable them.



David Allen
|>After reviewing all the great new 3D features of 2007 I really have to say
|>who cares.
|>If I want to do 3D design I'm going to use inventor or revit.
|>But really I'm thinking how can we get a 2D only AutoCAD?
|>I wish some company would come out with a 2D only clone of AutoCAD
|>and sell it for less. Hey autodesk could do it and just concentrate on
the
|>2D
|>features. I'm sure a 2D only AutoCAD would run faster then the current
|>bloatware.
|>My company pays alot of money each year to Autodesk and for that money
|>Autodesk
|>is giving us 3D features that we will never use. Maybe 1% of my company
|>will use any of the 3D
|>features of AutoCAD. That 1% probably would be better off using Revit
|>anyways.
|>
|>I want a 2D only AutoCAD.
|>We already have 3D CAD software, how about a 2D CAD software for less
money
|>and better features!
|>
|>Am I alone in this opinion?
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
*John Schmidt
Message 99 of 101 (354 Views)

Re: 2D Autocad vs AutoCAD 2007

04-25-2006 10:15 AM in reply to: *David Allen
I just set my OE to show all messages and see 92 in this thread...

John

"James Maeding" wrote in message
news:5153818@discussion.autodesk.com...
what the heck, my NG reader (Agent) shows this thread just got cut by 30
messages.
It was 50, now like 10.
Is this right or is my reader whacking out?

Rodney McManamy - CADzation
|>Here's 5 reasons why.
|>
|>1.) The 3D stuff in the base AutoCAD is basically free because they need
all
|>of the technology for the vertical products anyways.
|>
|>2.) There are very good marketing reasons for it like giving users who
have
|>not done 3D enough ability to toy with it without leaving and going to the
|>competition to learn 3D. For every customer that doesn't jump ship it
means
|>more potential revenu. I don't think any 2D customers are going to jump
|>ship because AutoCAD doesn't have or add a feature that the competition
|>does. 2D users are likely to leave only because of price.
|>
|>3.) Inventor and other types of Parametic Modeling are not always the best
|>solution for 3D either. For the vibrating conveyors I used to design I
|>could take base AutoCAD and some customization and design far faster than
|>any other system out there. The cost of the customization could easily be
|>justified by the time savings for the rest of the employes
|>
|>4.) In some industries the final design is still going to have to be 2D
|>drawings for the shop. Base AutoCAD gives you the best balance between 3D
|>and 2D.
|>
|>5.) I bet only 25% of the AutoCAD users would use any new feature anyways.
|>Fields and Dynamic Blocks have a ton of potential but I bet very few users
|>actually know how to use them. We still deal with people who don't know
|>what a titleblock attribute is or that there are drawing properties that
can
|>be viewed from Explorer.
|>
|>--
|>Rodney McManamy
|>President
|>CADzation
|>-------------------------
|>rmcmanamy@cadzation.com
|>-------------------------
|>518 South Route 31 Suite 200
|>McHenry, IL 60050
|>http://www.cadzation.com
|>Providing Industrial Strength
|>PDF & DWF Solutions to the
|>Global CAD Marketplace.
|>
|>"Jim Shipley" wrote in message
|>news:5121067@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>I agree completely, when I first heard about the 3D features in ACAD2007,
I
|>was like "What???", why would they invest in 3D in ACAD? Use Inventor for
|>Pete's sake. Get the 3D stuff out and concentrate on other things.
|>
|>
|>"David Allen" wrote in message
|>news:5108310@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>After reviewing all the great new 3D features of 2007 I really have to say
|>who cares.
|>If I want to do 3D design I'm going to use inventor or revit.
|>But really I'm thinking how can we get a 2D only AutoCAD?
|>I wish some company would come out with a 2D only clone of AutoCAD
|>and sell it for less. Hey autodesk could do it and just concentrate on
the
|>2D
|>features. I'm sure a 2D only AutoCAD would run faster then the current
|>bloatware.
|>My company pays alot of money each year to Autodesk and for that money
|>Autodesk
|>is giving us 3D features that we will never use. Maybe 1% of my company
|>will use any of the 3D
|>features of AutoCAD. That 1% probably would be better off using Revit
|>anyways.
|>
|>I want a 2D only AutoCAD.
|>We already have 3D CAD software, how about a 2D CAD software for less
money
|>and better features!
|>
|>Am I alone in this opinion?
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
*caddman
Message 100 of 101 (354 Views)

Re: 2D Autocad vs AutoCAD 2007

04-27-2006 10:39 AM in reply to: *David Allen
microstation 2d?? its all 3d now

"James Maeding" wrote in message
news:5153748@discussion.autodesk.com...
Dave, just saw this thread.

Its funny because Microstation has the 2d file concept going.
Having dealt with it, I didn't like it.
Keep in mind, in the game of Monopoly, you land on Boardwalk, and the owner
wants full rent.
There is no business reason for Adesk to do what you ask. People that need
lisp are too happy to pay what we do. I am
amazed they dont raise prices more.

Rather than have a lesser product available, I would prefer a checklist of
features I could enable/disable.
The overhead should follow what I have checked.
If I dont want sheet set manager, I can uncheck it.
It would be per profile.
The goal would be:
1) make acad start and run faster
2) ability to strip down acad to troubleshoot things
3) increase acad stability by cutting out things we dont use.

I know we can do this some right now, by removing arx and other files, but
its dangerous and confusing.
I could sure go for a "feature" dialog somewhere that had a list I could
check and uncheck, and it would actually cut
out the features from loading, not just disable them.



David Allen
|>After reviewing all the great new 3D features of 2007 I really have to say
|>who cares.
|>If I want to do 3D design I'm going to use inventor or revit.
|>But really I'm thinking how can we get a 2D only AutoCAD?
|>I wish some company would come out with a 2D only clone of AutoCAD
|>and sell it for less. Hey autodesk could do it and just concentrate on
the
|>2D
|>features. I'm sure a 2D only AutoCAD would run faster then the current
|>bloatware.
|>My company pays alot of money each year to Autodesk and for that money
|>Autodesk
|>is giving us 3D features that we will never use. Maybe 1% of my company
|>will use any of the 3D
|>features of AutoCAD. That 1% probably would be better off using Revit
|>anyways.
|>
|>I want a 2D only AutoCAD.
|>We already have 3D CAD software, how about a 2D CAD software for less
money
|>and better features!
|>
|>Am I alone in this opinion?
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
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